Ren'Py Abandoned The Tyrant [v0.9.6] [Saddoggames]

[Stil996]

...There've been quite a few who've said they're taking over/going to finish the game, and precisely none of them have had anything to show. Which is a good thing, because it would more than likely be glaringly obvious where the new dev's work begins, because they're not the original dev.

I don't agree, it's the concept that should continue, the 2 important things are being able to continue the high standard of art and the basic spirit of the game, there was room for improvement on both the execution and dialogue, and franky having a finished game with a noticable seam is better than an incomplete one.

I imagine a lot of people have what it takes to either continue where Saddoggames left off or start their own version from scratch, preferably in my opinion taking note of the improvements SAZ made with his darker paths mod.

 

[Snugglepuff]

I don't agree, it's the concept that should continue, the 2 important things are being able to continue the high standard of art and the basic spirit of the game

The art standard isn't that high.
It's good, but far from being a high standard. Which isn't something to be held against it.

When it comes to the "spirit" of the game, only Saddog can successfully maintain that, or someone we don't know of who's been closely working with him on the game.
It's like when Steven Spielberg made the movie AI. It was supposed to be a collaboration with Stanley Kubrick, but due to his death Spielberg had to make the movie without him. The result was Spielberg making a movie that's just Spielberg pretending to be Kubrick, and the film having none of the strengths of either director as a result. Contrast this with Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman collaborating on writing Good Omens, and then Gaiman's involvement in the adaption still having the same spirit/feel of the book. Their time spent working together, ensured that Gaiman would be able to ensure the "feel" of Pratchett, instead of "pretending".

there was room for improvement on both the execution and dialogue, and franky having a finished game with a noticable seam is better than an incomplete one.

The problem is that "a noticeable seam" is all too often a jarring experience that can pull the player out of the immersion of the game/story/setting. Not to mention that only Saddog knows what was supposed to be in the game and story.

Hell, look at the abysmal Star Wars sequels from Disney - Decent starting point followed by "screw you guys, I'm doing my thing" and finished with "well, we might as well plunder all the stuff we got rid of before" for a helping hand to try and make anything resembling some sort of continuity of a story.

I imagine a lot of people have what it takes to either continue where Saddoggames left off or start their own version from scratch, preferably in my opinion taking note of the improvements SAZ made with his darker paths mod.

Starting their own version would be infinitely better than trying to continue someone else's work, for reasons I've already given.
As for Saz's "darker paths mod", that's literally only a single aspect of his mod, not its defining feature. Might as well call it "Saz's Twisted Mod", or "Saz's Cleaner Interface Mod".

As it stands, Saz's mod itself doesn't maintain the spirit of the base game, mainly because of the alternative choices/options from the darker path/twisted versions of what's available in vanilla.

 

[Araxos91]

I wish The Tyrant would continue. I really enjoy playing the game

 

[Stil996]

The art standard isn't that high. It's good, but far from being a high standard. Which isn't something to be held against it.

I mispoke, I meant being able the reproduce the art, one of the biggest "jarring" moments is when the art suddenly changes halfway through, like when an established actor is replaced in a TV series, it doesn't matter if the new actor is better, the first one establishes the character (anything else feels wrong atleast for a time).
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When it comes to the "spirit" of the game, only Saddog can successfully maintain that, or someone we don't know of who's been closely working with him on the game.

I feels like you are confusing the word "spirit" for "vision", Nobody knows Saddogs vision for the game (maybe not even Saddog), and since he has chosen not to continue, nobody ever will. As such there is nothing stopping a fan from presenting their own vision in it's place.
The spirit (concept) of the game is not complicated, The MC infitrates a gang that has a special sex drug, and has the chance to pretend to be a badguy or be one for real.
There is no;

• complicated writing style,
• no comic styling,
• no witty repartee,

that needs to be replicated. even from a coding perpective there isn't a complex web of decision trees/interactions, it was a straight get "x" score to see "x" scene.

No offense intended to Saddog but comparing him the Kubrick and the others is just silly, he's not fit to fetch Kubricks coffee ( none of us are! maybe not even Speilberg) Stanley Kubrick was a genius with sophisticated vision, who's style was grounded in insane attention to detail which is almost impossible to replicate.
(Don't speak to me about Starwars, I've come to the conclusion that the original trilogy was a fluke or stolen from some unnamed person, Lucas is a senile old shit. Han shot first!)

And talking about sequels/prequels, most don't suck because some new director/producer took over, they suck because they are shameless cash grabs exploiting fan bases without any respect for established cannon.
There very little established cannon in this game, so there is a mostly clean slate for a new Dev to forge ahead as they see fit.
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As for Saz's "darker paths mod", that's literally only a single aspect of his mod, not its defining feature. Might as well call it "Saz's Twisted Mod", or "Saz's Cleaner Interface Mod".

Dude I said "darker paths" mod because that is the setting I used it on, "twisteds paths" works too, the main point I was making is that those options IMPROVED on what saddog had started, I hope a new dev takes over and creates something that has multiple ways of being experienced.

As it stands, Saz's mod itself doesn't maintain the spirit of the base game, mainly because of the alternative choices/options from the darker path/twisted versions of what's available in vanilla.

SAZ mod doesn't maintian Saddogs "vision" for the game, but thats a good thing Saddogs vision as it was implimented was very limited, Saz's mod expanded the options while holding the Spirit (sorry to keep harping semantics, as though you have had an opportunity to dispute/repudiate them)

 

[Snugglepuff]

I feels like you are confusing the word "spirit" for "vision"

Then you feel wrongly.
Given how you ignore the comparison being made, and instead focus on the famous names being used though...

No offense intended to Saddog but comparing him the Kubrick and the others is just silly

I clearly wasn't comparing him to them at all, and you certainly come across as someone intelligent enough to see that.

 

[Stil996]

Then you feel wrongly.
Given how you ignore the comparison being made, and instead focus on the famous names being used though...



I clearly wasn't comparing him to them at all, and you certainly come across as someone intelligent enough to see that.

I'm intelligent enough to spot a backhanded compliment
With the "spirit" vs "vision" thing, I guess we will have to "agree to disagree" since you haven't made even an attempt at an argument to change my perspective.

Given how you ignore the comparison being made

I ignored nothing, you decided to make a silly comparison between the loss of people who are extremely talented and experienced, with (No offense intented to Saddog here) the loss of someone who isn't remotely close to functioning on their level.

Kubrig was a Genius, Saddog is not, Genius's cannot be easily replaced, people who aren't can!, the famous name is irrelevant, lots of movies/tv shows have swapped out directors/producers without significant impact, you only notice when they fuck up, or when they try to replicate the work of truly special people like Kubrig.

and to compound it you present "Good Omens" as a case point for any subsequent dev needing a close and indepth relationship with the lost talent to proceed, Terry Pratchett was a prolific writer, so prolific Neil Gaiman could probably have written Good Omens without meeting Terry once. Not that this is relevant, we are talking about finishing a game, not convincing the world Saddog is still involved.

I have no idea what point you were trying to make about the Starwars prequels/Disney, as though the money grubbing scum at Disney had any intention for honouring Starwars cannon or good story telling practises.

My interpretation of your post can be summed up thus;

• Saddog has a talent that can't easily be replicated
• Saddog has a presence that needs to be evident in the game for it to be good

I disagree!

I love the concept of the game, the general ideas of how it might be implimented and the images of the women (particularly the sisters friend), but pretty much everything else has room for improvement.

There are lots of people on this site who have the talent to take the assets already here, expand upon them, rewrite the dialogue, move this game forward in interesting ways before bringing it to a satisfying conclusion, wether that progression & conclusion is what Saddog envisaged is irrelevant, if he wanted his vision fufilled he shouldn't have abandoned it.

I am so incredibly sick of all these abandoned games, both in regard to unfulfilled fantasies and how it causes people to lose faith in sponsoring new ones, which in turn causes more devs to abandon games through lack of funding.

 

[Snugglepuff]

I'm intelligent enough to spot a backhanded compliment
With the "spirit" vs "vision" thing, I guess we will have to "agree to disagree" since you haven't made even an attempt at an argument to change my perspective.

I'm not trying to change your perspective. I have no reason to, and clearly you don't either because you haven't made an attempt to change mine.

I ignored nothing

Either you understood and ignored the comparison, or didn't understand and decided to attack the examples being used instead of what they were being blatantly used for... Given what you say in the following part of your sentence in the quote below, there's a third option. You understood the comparison fully, ignored its point, then decided to attack the comparisons based on the people being referenced.

None of those are a good option to go for.

you decided to make a silly comparison between the loss of people who are extremely talented and experienced, with (No offense intented to Saddog here) the loss of someone who isn't remotely close to functioning on their level.

 

[RemoraDFC]

Perhaps it would be best if the matter be dropped for now. Online public disagreements, never yield any results.

 

[kgirlffx]

Anyone claiming this game is somehow so unique or special it cannot be picked up by another creator is a bit off their rocker. This game is not exactly Poe at work.

It is a decent NTR game, decent. In a genre that has very lacking titles this made it special. It hit some key kinks, that's it. The story was subpar, the models middle of the road, and as far as actual game mechanics . . . .yeah, VN is fine, but nothing to wax about.

Not saying anyone has to, but this is 100% the exact type of game that someone could pick up and run with if they wanted to do so.

 

[defd©™]

Anyone claiming this game is somehow so unique or special it cannot be picked up by another creator is a bit off their rocker. This game is not exactly Poe at work.

It is a decent NTR game, decent. In a genre that has very lacking titles this made it special. It hit some key kinks, that's it. The story was subpar, the models middle of the road, and as far as actual game mechanics . . . .yeah, VN is fine, but nothing to wax about.

Not saying anyone has to, but this is 100% the exact type of game that someone could pick up and run with if they wanted to do so.

I bet a new update is very near
as you can see the owner of the game is

You must be registered to see the links

in any case if another creator want "pick up" he has to ask the permission to saddoggames that is the copyright owner!

 

[defd©™]

what are the differences when you let your dad die?

this will became more clear in the next update... for know is just a working in progress
The asset of this game is almost complete but some of the connections between the paths are still not well implemented.

 

[kgirlffx]

I bet a new update is very near
as you can see the owner of the game is

You must be registered to see the links

in any case if another creator want "pick up" he has to ask the permission to saddoggames that is the copyright owner!

Lol, copyright does not protect from literally anyone taking the exact same concept, as Sado by no means owns this broad general idea, and making their own version with new assets. Some small changes would need to be made, but, frankly, there is a lot of room for improvement in the original anyway. No one needs permission to take the torch left abandoned and do something nearly identical or even better.

 

[defd©™]

Lol, copyright does not protect from literally anyone taking the exact same concept, as Sado by no means owns this broad general idea, and making their own version with new assets. Some small changes would need to be made, but, frankly, there is a lot of room for improvement in the original anyway. No one needs permission to take the torch left abandoned and do something nearly identical or even better.

1) something "nearly" is not the same game lol)
2) Models and renders are copyright protected as photos of a phtographer or even more.
3) if you have the skll to start a new project that is inspired to this one you have to declare it.. and cannt be the same game!
4) you will never be able to open an account on patreon to collect money if you do not have the permission of the original author

So (LoL) do it... but the models will be not the same and the name of the Family will be something different of an already existing story and for sure The original will be always better. (only pro developers can make maybe a better looking renders... I love the renders in The Tyrant.. are very well made and the atmopsphere is unique and very impressive.

If you want look for a good example there was a rpg Game called "The Corruption of Jennifer" abandoned by the original author
after some time a "professional software house... INCETON Games has the rights of many stories from different authors and graphic designers--- Inceton bought the rights and the models asking the permission to the original author.
now the game is called: INSIDE JENNIFER and the rights are owned by INCETON GAMES!.

believe me, no one of the professional game developers will start a game that require MANY YEARS OF HARD WORK.. with the risk of a dispute on the rights... no one will accept to stolen the models of an ALREADY PUBLISHED GAME whitout the permission of the original author that has his own Patreon account.
There are serious risk that the original author will ask for the rights and all the money colletted will back to the owner of the original story.

I know you are in pirate website so you think that any of the intellectual work here can be stolen without consequences... but believe me NO ONE OF THE AUTHORS of games in this and other web site will never start a game that is in developing.. NO Patreon for him
HE WILL BE BANNED FOR EVER and will never be able to open an account!

Saddogame is still working in this game... if someone is interested in his own intellectual work... just send him a serious written email and maybe he will replay to you

This game is almost complete
The story is clear
only some adjustmnt in the connections is required...
Ithink the game will be completed at Version 1.0 or 1.1

for the rest... the game is very very well made and the prove is in the ammount of the new posts that are in this thread.
(just look at the other "abandoned" game threads).. another abandoned game with a lot of new posts is Project Sage! (almost completed game)

 

[kgirlffx]

1) something "nearly" is not the same game lol)
2) Models and renders are copyright protected as photos of a phtographer or even more.
3) if you have the skll to start a new project that is inspired to this one you have to declare it.. and cannt be the same game!
4) you will never be able to open an account on patreon to collect money if you do not have the permission of the original author

So (LoL) do it... but the models will be not the same and the name of the Family will be something different of an already existing story and for sure The original will be always better. (only pro developers can make maybe a better looking renders... I love the renders in The Tyrant.. are very well made and the atmopsphere is unique and very impressive.

If you want look for a good example there was a rpg Game called "The Corruption of Jennifer" abandoned by the original author
after some time a "professional software house... INCETON Games has the rights of many stories from different authors and graphic designers--- Inceton bought the rights and the models asking the permission to the original author.
now the game is called: INSIDE JENNIFER and the rights are owned by INCETON GAMES!.

believe me, no one of the professional game developers will start a game that require MANY YEARS OF HARD WORK.. with the risk of a dispute on the rights... no one will accept to stolen the models of an ALREADY PUBLISHED GAME whitout the permission of the original author that has his own Patreon account.
There are serious risk that the original author will ask for the rights and all the money colletted will back to the owner of the original story.

I know you are in pirate website so you think that any of the intellectual work here can be stolen without consequences... but believe me NO ONE OF THE AUTHORS of games in this and other web site will never start a game that is in developing.. NO Patreon for him
HE WILL BE BANNED FOR EVER and will never be able to open an account!

Saddogame is still working in this game... if someone is interested in his own intellectual work... just send him a serious written email and maybe he will replay to you

This game is almost complete
The story is clear
only some adjustmnt in the connections is required...
Ithink the game will be completed at Version 1.0 or 1.1

for the rest... the game is very very well made and the prove is in the ammount of the new posts that are in this thread.
(just look at the other "abandoned" game threads).. another abandoned game with a lot of new posts is Project Sage! (almost completed game)

1) I never said it would be exactly the same. Nearly is close enough. This game story is so generic that nearly is essentially the same.
2) Already agreed that new models and renders would need to be redone. We are not arguing on this.
3) No, you really don't dude. When you are using the same names and world yes, like a movie based on a pre-existing book, but in a case where you are simply doing a similar story with similar events no, you really, really don't. You simply do not know what you are talking about. Furthermore, Tyrant is so generic that even minor changes would make it more than different enough.
4) See point 3, yeah, yeah you will. Even if Sado pressed it, Sado would need to submit a claim and it would be a legal battle that is far more costly than $600 something he makes off it now.


I could continue to refute all your claims, but you're just wrong. Source: Literally in the publishing industry and work in copyright law.


I get you like Tyrant, I did too. Quit white knighting when no one is attacking it. As for the game being finished . . . dude, it has been almost a year since last update post.

 

[punisher2099]

1) something "nearly" is not the same game lol)
2) Models and renders are copyright protected as photos of a phtographer or even more.
3) if you have the skll to start a new project that is inspired to this one you have to declare it.. and cannt be the same game!
4) you will never be able to open an account on patreon to collect money if you do not have the permission of the original author

So (LoL) do it... but the models will be not the same and the name of the Family will be something different of an already existing story and for sure The original will be always better. (only pro developers can make maybe a better looking renders... I love the renders in The Tyrant.. are very well made and the atmopsphere is unique and very impressive.

If you want look for a good example there was a rpg Game called "The Corruption of Jennifer" abandoned by the original author
after some time a "professional software house... INCETON Games has the rights of many stories from different authors and graphic designers--- Inceton bought the rights and the models asking the permission to the original author.
now the game is called: INSIDE JENNIFER and the rights are owned by INCETON GAMES!.

believe me, no one of the professional game developers will start a game that require MANY YEARS OF HARD WORK.. with the risk of a dispute on the rights... no one will accept to stolen the models of an ALREADY PUBLISHED GAME whitout the permission of the original author that has his own Patreon account.
There are serious risk that the original author will ask for the rights and all the money colletted will back to the owner of the original story.

I know you are in pirate website so you think that any of the intellectual work here can be stolen without consequences... but believe me NO ONE OF THE AUTHORS of games in this and other web site will never start a game that is in developing.. NO Patreon for him
HE WILL BE BANNED FOR EVER and will never be able to open an account!

Saddogame is still working in this game... if someone is interested in his own intellectual work... just send him a serious written email and maybe he will replay to you

This game is almost complete
The story is clear
only some adjustmnt in the connections is required...
Ithink the game will be completed at Version 1.0 or 1.1

for the rest... the game is very very well made and the prove is in the ammount of the new posts that are in this thread.
(just look at the other "abandoned" game threads).. another abandoned game with a lot of new posts is Project Sage! (almost completed game)

Can you actually claim copyright on any of these models? Seems like Daz themselves would take issue with that.

 

[kgirlffx]

Can you actually claim copyright on any of these models? Seems like Daz themselves would take issue with that.

I've not looked at the Daz model for asset use, but I would imagine if Sado paid for the asset itself, like off an asset markeplace, they would own in them respect to that game/project. Or, if they paid for software to create a unique asset Sado would own said assets depending on the terms of the license from Daz.

TLDR: If Sado paid for the assets, he can probably claim limited copyright of those specific assets in this project at the very least.

 

[Deleted member 2755092]

Can you actually claim copyright on any of these models? Seems like Daz themselves would take issue with that.

I've not looked at the Daz model for asset use, but I would imagine if Sado paid for the asset itself, like off an asset markeplace, they would own in them respect to that game/project. Or, if they paid for software to create a unique asset Sado would own said assets depending on the terms of the license from Daz.

TLDR: If Sado paid for the assets, he can probably claim limited copyright of those specific assets in this project at the very least.

As far as I know for DAZ, you acquire a "License to use", you don't own the assets. You acquire a copyright to the finished render when it is rendered in 2D form as per the terms in the EULA but the copyright of the asset themselves remain with the PA and/or Daz.

In theory, if anyone recreated the assets, or as close to, since it's not the original ones, it's fine. Basically, you can not take the 2D render, but, there's nothing stopping you from re-creating them.

 

[Etanx]

close to a year now.. might probably be abandoned..

 

[Raymo]

How to run game on Android? In my mobile it opens & stuck then nothing happen how to fix this issue?

 

[defd©™]

I never said it would be exactly the same. Nearly is close enough. This game story is so generic that nearly is essentially the same.

what makes this story interesting is just what you call "so generic" it makes the story fascinating and full of sense because every player can imagine with his head what happens between one scene and another. if some ather author goes more deep in the story
In yellow down here is the main story that you are calling GENERIC! For me is not generic at all, there are not similar storyline in the adult game scenario:

Mum became a widow while her son completed his college education and remarried to a detective who. after some month, was given an assignment to work under cover by involving his entire new family in a dangerous operation to stop some drug trafficking... AFTER THAT the MC backs to the mom home after finishing his studies

The great skill of saddog lies precisely in making the evolution of the history of the family in the hands of the player who with his choices can decide the fate of this unique or very rare family.
In other words the new hypothetical developer has to start again an absolutely not "generic story" already written and very very well writen:
the same difference that there is in reading a good book and watching the film which is the adaptation of the same book (in this case the movie director has the permission of whoever owns the rights of the book.

This game allow the player to fantasize about the drama of the MC family!

You are just asking for someone to start a similar story I think it will be very hard to find because artists are they own brains they will never agree to write a story that could be criticized as plagiarism.
I think this will never happen
The point is not the copyrights... The point is: This story is already written and complete! (only the game require some technical adjustment to go for the 3 endings). The story is COMPLETE!

I agree with you ONLY if the new hypothetical game will be a different game in all axpect including models but with the same story will be the pathetic copy of something that already exists in The Tyrant!

Personally for me this story is unique in the games panorama and that is why this story will remain a milestone in the world of adult games for long long times and years!

at the end... I'd like to know what you think about the following (you have ignored this in your replay)

So why Inceton games asked for the permission to made a remake of "the corruption of Jennifer"?

Just a retoric question never mind man

In theory, if anyone recreated the assets, or as close to, since it's not the original ones, it's fine. Basically, you can not take the 2D render, but, there's nothing stopping you from re-creating them.

When you buy an asset on DAZ store ... you cannot find anymore the same asset... so you need to ask permission to Saddogames if you want use the same model assett

so the models will be differeny for sure...
have you seen the Tyrant fan page?

There are also some good renders but in the majority they look like caricatures of the original character
In some additional pic created in the SAZ-MOD there are also some not perfect images of the models (and I think SAZ are using some renders from the fan page as I know!)
Actually i remember in a different game the appearance of a pathetic copy of Monica from fashion business (Pandora's box 1)
usually the remake of already existing model are hilarious