Others The Ultimate Stripper Club [v1.0.4] [everglow]

[CaptC]

CaptC atmosphere1980 update the doc with your suggestions

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### Tour girls

Given we have all the reputation/popularity and competition changes in place, we can have *tour girls*.
Those girls will be excluded from all the other pools (can't hire them) and will appear in the city once a week (ideally 2 days fri and sat). During the 5 days prior (and only if the club has enough popularity – how much TBD) an auction will be avail and the player can place offers among with other clubs. The winning offer gets the girl the following weekend.

Tour girl presence should *noticeably* increase popularity and income for those days on the club hosting the girl, and lower the other ones.

Additional considerations:
- ideally 1 or more "guest rooms" should be built by the player in order to host tour girls
- with the above point done, the player should be able to visit such girls and spend time with 'em (slightly different mechanic from std visits? probably yes, no train, different dialogues)
- decide wether is just 1 girl in rotation or more (probably just 1 is easier in terms of proc edits)
- if is only 1 girl, the room can be a standard empty room, keep the flow easier; control checks can be made on the girl itself
- still to decide: using a parameter in girlpack or just ~randomly pick girls for this pool at the beginning on the game

I quibble with the "can't hire tour girls". You couldn't hire them normally, no... but it's your club, you should get to decide who to hire, but I think you should have to hire them in competition against the other clubs.

Possible game loops for feature girls:

Really simple process: Random girl is selected by game. She posts a required price to perform at any club. Clubs get to say yes or no, in order depending upon their ranking. Once she's hired, no one else gets a shot at her.

More complex process: Random girl makes announcement that she will be coming to your city. She takes bids from all the clubs, picks the best offer, and appears at that club on the weekend. Bids would potentially consist of positive attributes: 1) pay to the girl 2) marketing dollars spent to advertise her appearance 3) reduced cut of her proceeds by the club, and negative attributes: sexual favors required by the club owner. "So, RandomGirl, 1000 bucks per night, 5000 bucks of advertisement, and you can keep 20% more of what the customers pay, but you gotta give me a blowjob at the end of every night when you pay me my cut." "Mr. Club Owner, I have an offer for the same money but no blowjob, so I am taking that offer instead of yours." How that all balances will have to be tested out, of course.

Possible enhancements to base game loop:

Interactive bidding: Same as above, but an actual interactive bidding process where you see and can respond to the other club's bids.

More choices: Occasionally (or maybe regularly, depending upon how many girls the player has available?), multiple girls would be available for the same time, so that multiple clubs can have competing national stars that weekend.

 

[rb813]

I'm not really intrigued by the idea of TUSC being basically a video player. A game should be a game.
I mean, at that point it's probably just faster if you create VLC playlists from girlpacks and just use a real video player for that.

As a matter of fact, I had been doing exactly that for many years before I ever discovered VC, so I can say from firsthand experience that I don't enjoy it as much. A game should be a game, but it doesn't need to be a difficult game. I play sexy games to be aroused, not to be challenged. Having girls whose video clips I want to look at be stolen away by another club just sounds like a boner-killer to me.

 

[Logan1377]

As a matter of fact, I had been doing exactly that for many years before I ever discovered VC, so I can say from firsthand experience that I don't enjoy it as much. A game should be a game, but it doesn't need to be a difficult game. I play sexy games to be aroused, not to be challenged. Having girls whose video clips I want to look at be stolen away by another club just sounds like a boner-killer to me.

We all like what we like, and are turned on by different things. For me, having some element of challenge that can lead to a feeling of accomplishment or pleasant surprise truly adds to my arousal in games. The polar opposite of a boner killer. It just has to be executed the right way. Keeping me interested and on my toes as I get a little bit more by more is ideally what I'm after. Otherwise, I'd just watch the raw porn videos themselves rather than play the game. I do VC and TUSC to make it more interesting and fun.

 

[rb813]

For me, having some element of challenge that can lead to a feeling of accomplishment or pleasant surprise truly adds to my arousal in games. The polar opposite of a boner killer.

I didn't say challenge in general would be a boner killer, I said that having girls whose video clips I want to look at be stolen away by another club would be a boner killer. Are you saying that specific element of challenge would increase your arousal?

 

[Logan1377]

I didn't say challenge in general would be a boner killer, I said that having girls whose video clips I want to look at be stolen away by another club would be a boner killer. Are you saying that specific element of challenge would increase your arousal?

Well, with any game like this, the challenge is to gather more than you lose. If a favorite is stolen, then the quest then becomes to get her back, and then accomplishing that eventually makers it better in the end. So yes, long term it does.

 

[rb813]

Well, with any game like this, the challenge is to gather more than you lose. If a favorite is stolen, then the quest then becomes to get her back, and then accomplishing that eventually makers it better in the end. So yes, long term it does.

I guess you and I have very different tastes, then.

 

[Logan1377]

I guess you and I have very different tastes, then.

I find that often in many discussions on this board. Not a bad thing, as its insightful to get an idea into the thoughts and feelings of others who are very different from yourself.

As to this topic, I relate it to something like this - What's more satisfying and makes you feel good - having a woman choose you over a variety of other options because you stand out as the best in here eyes, or simply giving her no other choice and its you or nothing? I think that proving myself and getting the girl because of my merit is the far superior choice.

 

[rb813]

What's more satisfying and makes you feel good - having a woman choose you over a variety of other options because you stand out as the best in here eyes, or simply giving her no other choice and its you or nothing? I think that proving myself and getting the girl because of my merit is the far superior choice.

I guess that's what makes us different. I don't put myself into the game like that. I don't see recruiting a girl to my club as someone choosing me, I just see it as unlocking the ability to look at porn clips of that girl in the game.

 

[atmosphere1980]

### 3rd party services

Maybe not for 2.0, but ideally:

- escort service: gameplay might be like receiving special requests and sending girls over for a high quote

I like this idea too. And this might be something you could offer in a simple form in 2.0 and build on later. The initial version could just be a club improvement that's basically a pricier VIP area and shows sex clips in an escort setting. Then for a subsequent version you could build it out to special requests. And maybe one of the other clubs or businesses in the city could have an escort service that the main character could utilize after the clubs close or on nights the club that offers VIP isn't open.

 

[Logan1377]

I guess that's what makes us different. I don't put myself into the game like that. I don't see recruiting a girl to my club as someone choosing me, I just see it as unlocking the ability to look at porn clips of that girl in the game.

Perhaps the other big difference is that I augment all of my packs, or am working on it, so I possess all of the videos in the first place, and can watch them the regular way any time that I choose. The game gives me something different.

 

[Terakahn]

Challenge is good but it's important that the player can control the level of challenge to some extent.

 

[Logan1377]

Challenge is good but it's important that the player can control the level of challenge to some extent.

With any game, of any genre, that's always the key. You need to be able to thread the needle between the right level of challenge and just moving forward to where you want and need to be. Too much of either and its boring.

 

[rb813]

With any game, of any genre, that's always the key. You need to be able to thread the needle between the right level of challenge and just moving forward to where you want and need to be. Too much of either and its boring.

But the right level of challenge can be very different for different people, which is why the best approach (whenever possible) is to make the level of challenge something that's flexible and can be tuned or adjusted by the player.

 

[rb813]

Okay, I give up. I went to the trouble of putting gloryhole folders in one of the girl's packs, and then assigned her to the bath, and I still just get this.

 

[Logan1377]

Okay, I give up. I went to the trouble of putting gloryhole folders in one of the girl's packs, and then assigned her to the bath, and I still just get this.
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She has to be working in that area at that time in order to have scenes available. Its not something you have total control over. You kind of just need to wait until it pops up. The game is best played when you have a number of girlpacks which all have a variety of content, and you just enjoy what comes to you as it does. The randomness is a feature.

 

[CaptC]

From the main screen when your club is open, you can see how many girls are performing in which areas. If I want to catch gloryhole scenes, I monitor that page.

 

[rb813]

She has to be working in that area at that time in order to have scenes available. Its not something you have total control over. You kind of just need to wait until it pops up. The game is best played when you have a number of girlpacks which all have a variety of content, and you just enjoy what comes to you as it does. The randomness is a feature.

I see. I was expecting that screen would display who was available in the baths, even if there weren't any "clients" at the moment.

For myself, it would be nice if you could see whether someone was on the main stage while you're on the gloryhole screen. I like the main stage because I like the randomness of not knowing which girl's video will play next. It would be nice if I could watch the bath videos while I wait for someone to be on the main stage, but not have to keep checking back every few seconds.

 

[Logan1377]

I see. I was expecting that screen would display who was available in the baths, even if there weren't any "clients" at the moment.

For myself, it would be nice if you could see whether someone was on the main stage while you're on the gloryhole screen. I like the main stage because I like the randomness of not knowing which girl's video will play next. It would be nice if I could watch the bath videos while I wait for someone to be on the main stage, but not have to keep checking back every few seconds.

Once you have the various parts of the club bought and upgraded, then at night once you open, when there are girls working in those areas, you'll see their avatar on the main screen. Then you can go into that part and click on them to watch them with clients. In my experience, the first hour or so after club opening may or may not have anyone on stage dancing, then after that all of the areas might be working, then at the end before you close the gloryhole might be the only place that they are. That setup is pretty common.

 

[everglow]

I see. I was expecting that screen would display who was available in the baths, even if there weren't any "clients" at the moment.

For myself, it would be nice if you could see whether someone was on the main stage while you're on the gloryhole screen. I like the main stage because I like the randomness of not knowing which girl's video will play next. It would be nice if I could watch the bath videos while I wait for someone to be on the main stage, but not have to keep checking back every few seconds.

Wrapping all of your messages, it'd be probably "just funnier" for you to skip at the end of the night immediately after opening the club, and just use the CCTV section the morning after.

As for your *endless journey to see gloryhole contents*, mind that for a girl to perform in a specific location, she needs:
- contents for that location
- performances for that location unlocked (check the girls inspector in the relevant area, train them if still locked)
- no better alternative (in general if you have few girls and the game can allocate those girls to VIP it will do so as you gain more money).

 

[rb813]

just use the CCTV section the morning after.

Ah, so that's what the CCTV is for. I was really confused why I would need a security camera on the stage, when I can already see what's happening on the stage.

(check the girls inspector in the relevant area, train them if still locked)

Ah, so that's what the Call Girl button is for in the locations. I thought it was just so you could see the girl's scenes during the day.

- no better alternative (in general if you have few girls and the game can allocate those girls to VIP it will do so as you gain more money).

I'm guessing it's probably the lack of training more than this, since I don't even have VIP unlocked.

In any case, I seem to be making a ton of money now from the drug and alcohol trade, so it seems like I can probably just treat the sexual stuff as a bonus.