Things you can't stand in porn games.

[pepplez]

Things I can't stand: "You take on the role of Ryo-Ken..." - Please enter your name: $_

 

[ChadChan3D]

Funny post and great presentation.

But as for kinks--Isn't it the age old wisdom for success to specialize in something?

Doesn't catering to a niche lead to greater success than being a generalist?

It's like opening a seafood restaurant or a breakfast place versus a restaurant that serves everything but excels at no meal.

People will always be hungry (for sex), but when they want to eat, they know specifically what they wanna get. Communicating a clear specialty will attract more people, no?

 

[Meaning Less]

It's like opening a seafood restaurant or a breakfast place versus a restaurant that serves everything but excels at no meal.

People will always be hungry (for sex), but when they want to eat, they know specifically what they wanna get. Communicating a clear specialty will attract more people, no?

But even seafood restaurants serve dishes that aren't made of bland unseasoned fish exclusively... That's a seafood market not a restaurant.

Fish is often paired with other non-fish ingredients to create better dishes that pair well with the main ingredient, that's the same reason as to why you rarely find games that entirely focus on a single fetish from start to end. (I'm still looking for that handjob only experience from start to end)

 

[おい！]

I'll start:

Forced Fetishes - Pick a fetish, any fetish. Clearly it's something the developer loves. They love it so much that they're going to make an inescapable part of the of the story, whether you like it or not - and you're answer is definitely "not." Looking at you, Rozz.

Games Made from Other Games - Someone took their pirated a copy of any random Illusion game, fired up Studio mode, took a bunch of screenshots, loaded them into RenPy and is now trying to scam people out of money on Patreon for all of their "hard work."

Theme Blender from Hell - This game begins with you in the Middle Ages, but then you get abducted by a UFO and meet a bunch of aliens, then fall through a dimensional vortex in the world of Kingdom Hearts and finally you escape from Hades by having a three some with an Amazon, a ghost and Satan, which unlocks your psychic powers that are fueled by using mana crystals that you dropped out of a steam-powered tube system after you hacked a computer system with your cyberdeck.

That One A-hole Who Demands Futa and/or Incest in Everything - And has never offered up even $1 in their entire life to anyone's Patreon, but you better do what they say because reasons.

That One A-Hole Who Puts Futa and/or Incest in Everything - See "Forced Fetish," above. Will abandon project the moment their Patreon income dips below $10K per month.

Trying to Cram Combat Systems into RenPy Games - Maybe one game in a hundred actually makes this work, and it sure as hell ain't yours, pal.

Doing It Completely Backward - You can add sex to a functional RPG. You can't make an RPG out of random sex scenes lazily tied together. A VN, yes, but not an RPG.

The Token Freak Girl - A perfectly normal, non-sci, non-magical world with regular homes, people with jobs and a believable protagonist going through a semi-believable story... and on day 12 a fucking magical fairy cat-girl from Mars appears and sneaks in through your bedroom window.

Your Black Friend Kevin - He is always bald, always wears sunglasses, always wears an orange shirt, always acts like he's a player and yet never gets laid despite always working as a bartender. Either come up with a more original character, don't bother with the character or at least let the guy actually get some pussy for himself for once, sheesh.

Now Starting Project Number Five - Projects one through four are all filed under "Abandoned." It's time to admit that game making is not for you.

That Idiot Who Tells You To Go Make Your Own Damn Game - He's probably already commented before even reading this far.

Russian Projects - Version 0.00001 Alpha-Alpha is now up and check out my Patreon page, my Kickstarter page, my GoFund me and my link to deposit Bitcoin directly to me via your checking account routing number. My god, how stupid do you think we are? Wait... someone is actually subscribed to that? Ugh, nevermind.

The Glorious Tech Demo - It's huge, it's beautiful, it's breathtaking... and there is no actual game, nor will there ever be one. They're really just trying to con you into paying for their Unreal Engine license so they can go make something else entirely, and it will have nothing to do with porn.

 

[Deleted member 5410619]

1: Choice didnt matter.
Like i choice not to watch the shower scene because i really dont care for it.
Game still threats it like i did.

2: Tits that would need a forklift to move.
I get it.
A lot of men like big tits.
A lot of men like small tits.
And most men like tits that enhance the body.
Not replace it.
You know the type.
The kind where the dev things tits that are bigger then the head is small AA tits and the moon is normal size tits.
When i look at a woman body and ask myself:
How does she move.
It really kills the mood.

3: Too much dialog.
I really hate it when conversations repeat themselves 50 times and you say 5000 words where 50 would be enought.
Dont write to much filler crap.

4: There are no cops.
It really grinds my gear when i get away with commiting a blatent crime unoticed.
It doesnt matter if it is fucking a girl where everyone shoud be able to see or i set up a teacher for my crime, murder a woman and pretended to be a special agent and that the woman daughters are under withness protection.
The police shoud be a real threat to my criminal intent.
If i dont fear the risk.
I wouldnt enjoy the victory.

5: A goddess did it.
Be it a goddess, succubus, magic book, etc.
The only reason we get laid is because something with far more power then us wants to help us.
Often with no benifits for the goddess.
It can be done right.
Meaby the succubus helps you because you are desperate and you will ruin many lives with your deeds.
Using you as a tool to bring suffering would be very demonic.
Or meaby a goddess wants those woman to be happy and you are the tool to make it so.
But more often then not.
The plot device is forgotten quickly.
Compleetly ignoring the very person your powers depend on.

6: Dead fathers.
What is it with porn developers and murdering farthers.
Divorce is a thing you know.
Or meaby have the father be a problem to remove.
But no it is alway dead.
It is kinda scary how murder of the father is always the solution.
Instead of something like a divorce, Caught cheating, set up for a crime he didnt commit.
Like there are many way's to sidestep the father.
Why is it always death?

 

[ChadChan3D]

But even seafood restaurants serve dishes that aren't made of bland unseasoned fish exclusively... That's a seafood market not a restaurant.

Fish is often paired with other non-fish ingredients to create better dishes that pair well with the main ingredient, that's the same reason as to why you rarely find games that entirely focus on a single fetish from start to end. (I'm still looking for that handjob only experience from start to end)

True.

But whether you have a salad starter or not, the main course is still fish. My argument is that the person who came to the restaurant wants fish.

Your specialization brought them to you.

In terms of fetish, you can shit on my chest, shit in my mouth, or shit on my dick, but I'm here to get shit on.

 

[qwsaq]

6: Dead fathers.

It's honestly unnecessary exposition IMO. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I have never once asked why dad's not in the picture. Unless it's somehow an important plot point, I'm perfectly content with it being a single mother household and leaving it at that.

 

[Meaning Less]

In terms of fetish, you can shit on my chest, shit in my mouth, or shit on my dick, but I'm here to get shit on.

But even people that are into shit often expect to see other stuff as well... if you are on a quest to eat nothing but shit you are probably going to get tired of shit very soon.

Try and find a game that has the scat tag and no other kink in it... You wont, because the games you alude towards that autistically stick to a single kink don't even exist, afteral most people have several kinks and not just 1...

 

[ChadChan3D]

But even people that are into shit often expect to see other stuff as well... if you are on a quest to eat nothing but shit you are probably going to get tired of shit very soon.

Try and find a game that has the scat tag and no other kink in it... You wont, because the games you alude towards that autistically stick to a single kink don't even exist, afteral most people have several kinks and not just 1...

The build-up to sex (or getting shit on) is always varied. What's your point?

As I get older, I more and more look specifically for my fetish to get off, not less.

Men do not get tired of what turns them on: According the the sex research book "

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," men tend to create sexual imprints in adolescence that stay almost fixed into adulthood.

Aka what turned you on as a teenager is probably what you're gonna fap to when you're sixty.

Hence why specialization is a benefit, not a hindrance.

I go to the tools store when I need tools, I go to NTRMan when I want nasty NTR.

It is possible to succeed by being a generalist, but it is damn harder to do. You gotta produce erotica at Walmart volumes to offer everything people might like.

In a niche, meanwhile, you can devote your focus solely on doing one thing and doing it well. See also "

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" as a study in business of this same idea.

 

[Meaning Less]

Men do not get tired of what turns them on: According the the sex research book "

You must be registered to see the links

," men tend to create sexual imprints in adolescence that stay almost fixed into adulthood.

Aka what turned you on as a teenager is probably what you're gonna fap to when you're sixty.

Hence why specialization is a benefit, not a hindrance.

I can't speak for others but I can speak for myself and that has never been the case for me in my life.
The stuff that made me cum harder in the past was not the same things that make me cum harder now, not only that, but my desires are fluid and I find myself looking for different stuff monthly, weekly or sometimes even daily.

I do agree that trying to please everyone is impossible, but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about devs that do in fact enjoy more than just a single kink and know how to blend everything well into a single package.

Even games that focus on a specific kink should have (and will have) other kinks around that one as well, maybe you just don't notice those kinks because you are laser focused on the one you want to see, but if you pay attention you will notice lots of other things, even your extreme example of NTRman does in fact sprinkles multiple kinks to go on the side with ntr throughout different games.

 

[baloneysammich]

It's honestly unnecessary exposition IMO. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I have never once asked why dad's not in the picture.

I kinda hope you are in the minority. I know we're not talking about the next Great American Novel™ here, but the loss (whether thru death, divorce, etc) of a spouse/parent is a pretty disruptive event and it would be lamentable if a few sentences of exposition are too much for most people.

 

[qwsaq]

the loss [...] of a spouse/parent is a pretty disruptive event and it would be lamentable if a few sentences of exposition are too much for most people.

If it simply doesn't come up, the player is free to make their own headcannon. Maybe mom never got married in the first place and dad's just a deadbeat. Given that you almost always end up fucking your mom in these games, it's safe to assume she doesn't make good pussy decisions.

Even the best novel isn't going to explain every detail. If it's not relevant to the plot, it doesn't need to be said.

 

[baloneysammich]

Even the best novel isn't going to explain every detail. If it's not relevant to the plot, it doesn't need to be said.

Guess we have to agree to disagree. To me not explaining the absence of a spouse/parent even in passing is akin to having an amputee MC and never bringing up how they lost their limb(s)...

 

[Meaning Less]

Even the best novel isn't going to explain every detail. If it's not relevant to the plot, it doesn't need to be said.

That might be cliched but it is still incest buildup. It explains why the mom had a change of heart and starts accepting the advances of the son soon after, she is frustated and horny at the same time, and the only one that resembles her husband is the son.

Otherwise if she was already a single mom for years how would you explain her sudden interest in him? It takes more effort.

 

[Hans Zuchter]

Well I've gotten some pretty good comments from reasonable people, which are appreciated, and also managed to add half a dozen self-righteous basement dwellers to my ignore list. A pretty nice win all around, thanks!

 

[qwsaq]

That might be cliched but it is still incest buildup. It explains why the mom had a change of heart and starts accepting the advances of the son soon after, she is frustated and horny at the same time, and the only one that resembles her husband is the son.

Otherwise if she was already a single mom for years how would you explain her sudden interest in him? It takes more effort.

This is anecdotal but I'm pretty sure all the games I've seen implied (if not directly stated) the event happened years ago. Then again I look exclusively for games with a femdom focus and the "dommy mom" trope is definitely a different animal from your typical incest game. So my sample is tainted by that.
That aside: there's a reason I've been adding the caveat, "if it's not relevant to the plot." If the recent death/divorce/whatever is the catalyst, then of course it should get a mention. I just haven't seen it personally.

 

[Liquid Tube Technology]

Definitely the excessive number of games/VN's that feature really big breasts vs. those with small breasts. That is one of the first things about these games that got old really fast for me. As someone who prefers small breasts, it is a challenge to find decent games that cater to this preference of mine. It is unfortunate because the alternatives are either to accept the big breasts, or to try VN's that feature aspects that may make you feel uneasy.

Edited to include the following - Another thread just reminded me of one more thing: big penises on main characters. I don't have a big penis, and I'm content that way. For this reason, I find it becomes more difficult to relate to the MC when he is super well hung. I'm still able to soldier on through if I have to play as a fellow with a huge penis, but this is where the VN's overall story has to be really good, and the good characters likeable, that sort of thing, to compensate.

But of course, that's just me. I have my own preferences when it comes to these things.

 

[anne O'nymous]

If it simply doesn't come up, the player is free to make their own headcannon. Maybe mom never got married in the first place and dad's just a deadbeat. Given that you almost always end up fucking your mom in these games, it's safe to assume she doesn't make good pussy decisions.

Even the best novel isn't going to explain every detail. If it's not relevant to the plot, it doesn't need to be said.

But here it is relevant, not necessarily to the plot, but at least to the character(s) personality.

A mother that had children outside of marriage don't have the same view over morality than one that waited for marriage before she had sex. Her reaction will partly depend on this. Not that she'll more easily spread her legs for her son if she haven't been married, but unlike the other woman, she'll not place morality above anything else. This while the said other woman will be harder to convince, because incest is clearly worse than sex outside of marriage.
This also apply to the difference between being cheated on by her husband, and him being dead. In the first case she'll be way less tolerant to join her son's harem, in the second she can find in her son a copy of her husband, then her lust can come from mixed feelings ; is she lusting for her son, or dreaming that her beloved husband is back in her life ?
Obviously, it also apply to the sister(s), who can possibly throw a tantrum because MC is like her shitty dad, fucking any girl that cross his path, like dad did, what broke mom's heart. Or at the opposite she can be totally opened to the possibility because there were no dad in their life, but a bunch of uncles that stayed for few weeks before never coming again.
And it also impact aunt, that can keep an eye on MC, because she wasn't there when the father fucked up her life, and she promised herself that she'll never ever let this happen again.

All this is relevant and have an impact on the story.

 

[qwsaq]

But here it is relevant, not necessarily to the plot, but at least to the character(s) personality.

These are all good points. You absolutely can make a story more compelling with that bit of exposition.
What I meant was that the way it tends to be applied is what makes it unnecessary. All too often, the intro drops that bit of trivia or there's one line of dialogue about it and the dev just moves on as if it's something they just kinda had to do.

If a dev wants to use it as a means of fleshing out the character, and can do it well, then I'm all for it. Good on them.
If they're thinking about dropping a one-liner about it, and it has zero bearing on anything going forward, don't bother. That kind of shit actively makes the story weaker.

 

[woody554]

6: Dead fathers.
What is it with porn developers and murdering farthers.
Divorce is a thing you know.
Or meaby have the father be a problem to remove.
But no it is alway dead.
It is kinda scary how murder of the father is always the solution.
Instead of something like a divorce, Caught cheating, set up for a crime he didnt commit.
Like there are many way's to sidestep the father.
Why is it always death?

because they want to communicate to player/reader that the father is NOT coming back, ever. he's dead, end of speculation.

where as leaving the dad absent but alive almost 100% guarantees he's going to show up sooner or later.

of course dead father can still show up too in a million ways, but what all those ways have in common is that their effect hinges on the reader believing dad can never show up.

so part of it is practicality, limiting the scope of the story. but also priming the reader to think in a way that the writer wants.