For what it's worth I'd also like to know. At the end of the day, we're all just a bunch of folks twiddling our fidget sticks so anything to break the monotony.
Absolutely. Always happy to share. I'm going to put this in a spoiler so that those only interested chatting about the game don't have to scroll through yet another wall of text from me. I have been a little chatty lately.
Absolutely. Always happy to share. I'm going to put this in a spoiler so that those only interested chatting about the game don't have to scroll through yet another wall of text from me. I have been a little chatty lately.
Super interesting and I liked following your thought process. So all the encryption stuff was added this version, possibly because we were cracking the patreon blocks they initially instituted.
Honestly, stuff like this is great to spread around and deep dive into. The more people who learn about it the more deeper knowledge dives that are passed around. It honestly is super inspiring to see how fast you were able to come up with the answer and solution in like half a day.
I tested that earlier and it is still working for me. They didn't change that code so I don't see how it would break now. You shouldn't even need it since you ran it before and it is a run-once-forever solution unless you are deleting your persistent file.
There won't be a mod folder unless you happen to install one of my mods. You would need to create it manually. It's no big deal if you don't; I just like to be organized and keep things clean. Makes deleting mods really easy instead of hunting for the file(s) that you can't even remember the name of within a list of 50+ other files.
Let's try to debug why it isn't working for you. Please answer the following questions or perform the following actions:
How specificallyisn't it working? Be very precise please
Is the game crashing on launch (before you see the menu)?
Is the game launching but then crashing when you try to save/load (like it did in v0.7.0)?
Something else?
Please include screenshots or copy and paste any errors you are seeing
What operating system are you running (Android, iOS, Linux, Mac, Windows)?
Did you copy over old saves or modify files in the save directories in any way?
Did you run an old version of the game since you last ran v0.7.0?
What specifically did you copy? Did you copy the mod file from the old version of the game? did you copy over a version you had saved elsewhere? Did you redownload it?
Can you provide a link to the F95Zone post you got the game download link from (not my save fix mod)?
Enable the developer console if you haven't already. If you don't know how to do so, my crack includes it. Then open the dev console (Shift + O), run this command, and tell me what it outputs: len(persistent.save_name_list). It should be a number (500, 1,000, or 5,000). The Escape key exits the console, or you can type exit and then press enter
Guide to Inceton's Encryption How to Decompile Thot on Trial v0.8.0 and Make 3rd Party .RPA and .RPYC Files Work
That subtitle is a mouthful.
Inceton added a form of encryption to their files in v0.8.0. This causes several issues, including being unable to decompile the .rpyc files with common tools and being unable to load 3rd party files distributed in .rpyc form (that includes .rpa files since they are simply an archive with internally packed .rpyc files). This means things like URM break and crash the game before it even finishes loading.
Fortunately this can all be worked around. Here a few methods you can use. I will try to keep this updated if they make any changes.
Decompiling .rpyc Files
The nature of the way they implemented the encryption means that any tool which hooks into the local copy of the RenPy functions included with the game will still work. This is pretty always going to work since otherwise the game couldn't read the files. One such tool is
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. The command line version won't work without tweaks, but the injected version will.
Making 3rd Party Files Work
Since they modifed the way RenPy loads and saves source files, we need to as well. I created a file that does this for you. Download it, then copy and paste that file into the game's /renpy folder and overwrite the existing file. All it does it adds back the old read/write functions alongside the new ones and attempts to use them if the encrypted versions fail.
I normally try to avoid making mods that require overwriting files, but I see no choice in this case. I could monkey patch the Script class, but all that would accomplish is changing which file I would need to overwrite. I would then need to overwrite __init__.py file to modify it's the import_all() function. And so forth up the chain.
Technical Details on the Encryption
This section is for other mod developers or simply those curious. If you are a mod developer and ship your mod files pre-compiled in .rpyc or .rpa format and wish to encrypt your mod files so they work without users having to utilize my method above for making 3rd party files work, you will need to modify your packaging tool to implement the same encryption algorithm.
it’s frustrating that the dev didn’t stick to only 1 vision. V0.1 is was more cheating/loyal where u can avoid thing like flirting with Trevor. Version 0.3 seem he have changed his mind and start introducing forced NTR.Version 0.8 if u don’t break up with her,they will start speaking about experiencing open relationship.I dunno if it’s will be a forced NTS,if u want them to stay together.Hope isn’t the case.
Substitut the loyal choices from v0.1,and adding consensual nts are so confusing.
Saying at the beginning that our choices will impact their relationship wasn’t true.
At the end it seems mc was right when 1st he called her whore,u can blame him for everything but she did 10 times worst than him.It’s nice of him that he tried to warn her about Alex and help her even after her betrayal.
Hope Anna will still show up in the next game.I kinda like it her more than the fmc,too bad she want only friendship with mc.The fact she knows she was been used by Alex,makes her in the same boat of fmc hope at some pt they can be friends.
it’s frustrating that the dev didn’t stick to only 1 vision. V0.1 is was more cheating/loyal where u can avoid thing like flirting with Trevor. Version 0.3 seem he have changed his mind and start introducing forced NTR.Version 0.8 if u don’t break up with her,they will start speaking about experiencing open relationship.I dunno if it’s will be a forced NTS,if u want them to stay together.Hope isn’t the case.
Substitut the loyal choices from v0.1,and adding consensual nts are so confusing.
Saying at the beginning that our choices will impact their relationship wasn’t true.
At the end it seems mc was right when 1st he called her whore,u can blame him for everything but she did 10 times worst than him.It’s nice of him that he tried to warn her about Alex and help her even after her betrayal.
Hope Anna will still show up in the next game.I kinda like it her more than the fmc,too bad she want only friendship with mc.The fact she knows she was been used by Alex,makes her in the same boat of fmc hope at some pt they can be friends.
to me just cause a Dev has NTR in their title doesn't mean shit to me when the game said choices would matter more than they do at the start of the game. I mean I always expected some kind of NTR just not have it forced I expected it to happen because of decisions you make. Which also makes the game feel weird since from things ive read it sounds like the dev keep switching form it being forced to having a choice. Not sure im just gonna wait to get this one Steam to play the updates I missed.
I think it would of been much better if it was just forced entirely and not even have that line saying how choices would of matter more than they actually do. Cause then it doesn't give off this weird feeling towards the game and you can tell it's meant to be a Pure NTR game and not one that gives off the illusion of other paths that don't exist. I even thought there might of been a sharing / NTS path at one point cause of 2 scenes early on.
Again, the game makes it clear from the very beginning that choices would be important and would shape how the relationship between the two MCs would play out. I don't care that it's an NTR game. When you say choices matter, then you should follow up on that. Make the choices matter. Forcing scenes just to have a specific outcome occur is not making choices matter. At that point, make the game a kinetic VN like it very clearly wants to be. Moreover, there's only one real ending, no multiple endings. How MMC and FMC's relationship turns out at the end of the season is not three different endings. The game still ends in the same way. Never mind the clear, cutting in half to meet deadlines for the Steam release, giving us an arbitrary Season 2 that didn't need to exist.
Ever noticed how there's not nearly as much complaining for Inceton's other in development NTR game, Resort of Temptation? Because the choices there do matter. There are so many options for the player to take in that game, being able to pick which LIs remain faithful and which ones don't. That's all entirely up to the player. That's really how it should've been here, once the note was made at the very beginning that the choices the player makes will determine how the relationship between the MCs plays out.
When your story barely changes, though, then the choices are an illusion. At that point, just make a Kinetic Novel like Summer with Mia.
Again, the game makes it clear from the very beginning that choices would be important and would shape how the relationship between the two MCs would play out. I don't care that it's an NTR game. When you say choices matter, then you should follow up on that. Make the choices matter. Forcing scenes just to have a specific outcome occur is not making choices matter. At that point, make the game a kinetic VN like it very clearly wants to be. Moreover, there's only one real ending, no multiple endings. How MMC and FMC's relationship turns out at the end of the season is not three different endings. The game still ends in the same way. Never mind the clear, cutting in half to meet deadlines for the Steam release, giving us an arbitrary Season 2 that didn't need to exist.
Ever noticed how there's not nearly as much complaining for Inceton's other in development NTR game, Resort of Temptation? Because the choices there do matter. There are so many options for the player to take in that game, being able to pick which LIs remain faithful and which ones don't. That's all entirely up to the player. That's really how it should've been here, once the note was made at the very beginning that the choices the player makes will determine how the relationship between the MCs plays out.
When your story barely changes, though, then the choices are an illusion. At that point, just make a Kinetic Novel like Summer with Mia.
exactly this it would of been much better and less problematic as a KN probably would of still played it cause the FMC is hot haha. But as a game with "choices" it's one of the worst ive seen when it comes to fake choices where paths don't even matter even if the game pretends it does.
exactly this it would of been much better and less problematic as a KN probably would of still played it cause the FMC is hot haha. But as a game with "choices" it's one of the worst ive seen when it comes to fake choices where paths don't even matter even if the game pretends it does.
I guess after break up she will whoring as she want.Not fan of them speaking about open relationship if they stay together,I dunno if it makes sense for u.
to me just cause a Dev has NTR in their title doesn't mean shit to me when the game said choices would matter more than they do at the start of the game. I mean I always expected some kind of NTR just not have it forced I expected it to happen because of decisions you make. Which also makes the game feel weird since from things ive read it sounds like the dev keep switching form it being forced to having a choice. Not sure im just gonna wait to get this one Steam to play the updates I missed.
I think it would of been much better if it was just forced entirely and not even have that line saying how choices would of matter more than they actually do. Cause then it doesn't give off this weird feeling towards the game and you can tell it's meant to be a Pure NTR game and not one that gives off the illusion of other paths that don't exist. I even thought there might of been a sharing / NTS path at one point cause of 2 scenes early on.
Again, the game makes it clear from the very beginning that choices would be important and would shape how the relationship between the two MCs would play out. I don't care that it's an NTR game. When you say choices matter, then you should follow up on that. Make the choices matter. Forcing scenes just to have a specific outcome occur is not making choices matter. At that point, make the game a kinetic VN like it very clearly wants to be. Moreover, there's only one real ending, no multiple endings. How MMC and FMC's relationship turns out at the end of the season is not three different endings. The game still ends in the same way. Never mind the clear, cutting in half to meet deadlines for the Steam release, giving us an arbitrary Season 2 that didn't need to exist.
Ever noticed how there's not nearly as much complaining for Inceton's other in development NTR game, Resort of Temptation? Because the choices there do matter. There are so many options for the player to take in that game, being able to pick which LIs remain faithful and which ones don't. That's all entirely up to the player. That's really how it should've been here, once the note was made at the very beginning that the choices the player makes will determine how the relationship between the MCs plays out.
When your story barely changes, though, then the choices are an illusion. At that point, just make a Kinetic Novel like Summer with Mia.
I gave you proof. Go back to like page 63. I gave you the proof you asked for. Don't ignore it and assume no one gave you proof.
Besides, you're looking at the criticisms at face value. I have multiple other reasons why I have problems with this game; those issues go beyond the choices being largely redundant. I have issues with the writing of multiple characters and how events have played out during the story. Acknowledging that, I also have multiple things I've liked in the game, largely on the MMCs side of things, but I do have positives. For me, though, this game is very mediocre.
However! The fact that it is an NTR game has NOTHING to do with that. I'm very positive towards Resort of Temptation, and very much looking forward to sharing my LIs around with the other MCs and possibly other characters. While I'll largely avoid the extreme NTR stuff, the fact that the game is, at its core, an NTR game is not a problem. Besides, the writer for RoT is on f95 and has said multiple times that the game is designed around allowing the player to see the scenes and fetishes that they want to, while avoiding the ones that they don't want to see. Besides, even when I've checked out the more heavy NTR scenes, there have been interactions between characters that I want to see developed, even if that specific scene did not happen in my main playthrough.
I'm not criticising the game because it's an NTR game. I'm criticising it because I think the game was a rush job. I'm criticising it because I think the writing is very inconsistent. I'm criticising it because the game told me my choices would directly affect the story, and yet they haven't really. The fact that it's an NTR game doesn't matter. Hell, I heavily criticised Shackbang upon me finishing it for the first time, and that's not an Inceton NTR game, that's a normal Inceton release.
Edit: Besides, the writer said on Inceton's Discord like an hour ago that the game is intended to be a Kinetic VN. So why it has choices we can make as the MCs I have no idea.
proof has been posted a few times on this thread lol. I just don't got the game installed anymore to go and show it again even tho I like it and didn't feel like looking in the thread for it in the past. As i'm waiting for it to be on Steam to just buy it. The game doesn't bother me to the point I hate it or anything but rather it is just a negative because of the way it presented it's self with their being choices that would matter and a few scenes giving me the impression of a different path which didn't end up being true.
I just find the argument silly just because the dev has the word "NTR" in their dev name it has to only include NTR and not sharing / NTS or even a loyal path when there is a screenshot from the game that shows otherwise. Which of course ended up being a lie anyways. Now if this game was a Kinetic Novel and didn't present it's self like it had choices than yeah the NTR part would be obvious the only way the game would go due to it being the NTR part of inceton.
proof has been posted a few times on this thread lol. I just don't got the game installed anymore to go and show it again even tho I like it and didn't feel like looking in the thread for it in the past. As i'm waiting for it to be on Steam to just buy it. The game doesn't bother me to the point I hate it or anything but rather it is just a negative because of the way it presented it's self with their being choices that would matter and a few scenes giving me the impression of a different path which didn't end up being true.
I just find the argument silly just because the dev has the word "NTR" in their dev name it has to only include NTR and not sharing / NTS or even a loyal path when there is a screenshot from the game that shows otherwise. Which of course ended up being a lie anyways. Now if this game was a Kinetic Novel and didn't present it's self like it had choices than yeah the NTR part would be obvious the only way the game would go due to it being the NTR part of inceton.
Thanks that wasn't so difficult. It's rather dumb of Inceton studios to put that at the beginning of this game considering their history, especially with the NTR studio. Either way they aren't going to listen to the grumblings of people on F95.
I have two lines of things to comment, one specifically on this game and another on a more general level.
On this game, I must admit it's been a ride, but not always a pleasant one. I've already said before that from the ship update onwards the game was starting to feel really rushed and had a lot of problems with how relations were evolving and so on, to the point that my interest was increasingly moving from the FMC to the MMC and his story with Anna, which has much more development. In comes the recent rush to finish quick for a Steam release and it only got worse. And then this update had a lot to do and carry and it started looking good. The initial scenes and how they get back together, they even had the lesbian scene which could have been taken out easily if they were in a rush to be able to develop the full story, so those things gave me some hope that the story was picking up towards its resolution. Then in comes the ship scene and then it all goes to shit, agency is lost, character development is butchered as CJAM2002 so well pointed out in the past page, and the MMC moves for no reason from becoming increasingly strong throughout the game, to inmediately becoming a cuck and even being called pathetic by his own wife. Then she gets thrown into jail when the most obvious plot moves to it's obvious conclusion; at the beginning of the game she was even reluctant to take some company money from the credit card and spend it and by the last few updates she's signing legal documents left and right without reading any of them just because Kamal is there talking to her (after she realized that he just wanted to fuck her after the island scene!). So her intelligence went down the drain and they add into that the cop scene which adds pretty little to make for a "cliffhanger" that doesn't work, because all the narrative work put into the game has gone to shit by now.
So, to sum it up, not only did they not stick the landing, they landed face first.
On the more general note, it has to do with narrative structures. There are two kinds of writers: the real good ones with time and effort put into their products (take for example Clair Obscure Expedition 33 with it's complex play on the narrative structure) and there are the rest. If you don't have the time and effort, or the skill, to pull out a complex narrative structure, then don't try to, it only causes damage in the end. The most usual and perfect example of this is the combination of circular structure with a game that says choices matter. Pulling that one off is incredibly complex, as you need the flashforwarded event to be canon in every possible path and choice made up to that without making all those choices up to there meaningless. It's a problem larger games have faced and failed as well, for example Life is Strange: Before the Storm promises meaningful choices, but since you've probably already played Life is Strange 1 by then, then you know how it all ends no matter what you choose along the way, it becomes only the apparent illusion of choice; the Telltale game for The Expanse falls on this as well, since we know how the books and series goes nothing chosen there really matters. So combining prequel/circular structure with choices is a lose-lose option in almost all game designs and should probably be avoided as much as possible. Or the flashforwarded event has to be something that's outside the realm of the MC's choices, something external that comes to impact on those.
So, all in all, I really loved this game at the start but it really fell down along the way and they didn't know how to bring it back up. It's a real shame, and I'll probably play season 2 if there is ever such (which I wouldn't recommend, to be honest this has too much bad baggage into it that it's probably best to start fresh with a new project) but I don't think there's a way in future seasons to actually bring it back into interest without some kind of clean slate.
