Sadly this is as far as I can help, I lost hope years ago and haven't checked how things are going since then.
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TL;DR :
TKaF was in development hell, now it isn't.
And i guess that's all i have to say.
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I think it's funny that you immediately lambast my name then proceed to cherrypick some of the worst examples. Like, I don't even remember what the fuck that first screenshot is talking about. Whatever the context is, I'm pretty sure it was a comedic exaggeration, and if it wasn't, I most likely have a very good fuckn' reason for saying that because that action sounds FAR outside my usual prerogative. That second screenshot is also meant for comedy's sake. Maybe Alexey wasn't joking, but I sure as shit was.
I don't think you understand how often in normal conversation I'm just fucking around. It's not even a debate, for the most part I usually don't care. If it's funny, I'm doing it. I love committing to the bit, no matter what, because FUCK I love a good chuckle. Even then, the second example isn't so much ego as it is megalomania or trying to be controlling; if this wasn't me just doing a bit.
It's funny how you say this as if this wasn't what I was trying to do in the first place? Due to Alexey's terrible philosophy in regards to moderation and community management, he allowed a minor into NSFW chats knowingly because "he was mature for his age," and because his nation of residence, Russia, had an age of consent that was 16. However, as I explained to him, that is not how the law works, and not how Discord works. Discord is a US company with US regulations they must follow and abide by (though to be fair, they usually don't.) The minimum age to be classifed as an adult on Discord is 18, therefore any and all environments, channels, etc. that are NSFW should not have people knowingly below that age in them.
That may be just one thing, but that one thing goes against everything I stand for as someone who has managed and moderated dozens of different communities before coming into TKAF. You never allow any minor-- those below the age of 18 --into an NSFW environment. To be completely honest, we should've age-restricted the entire server because TKAF is and I'm guessing still is (for what that's worth) a game with heavily sexual and fetishistic themes. The only reason why I didn't push for it is because I didn't want an even bigger target on my back in the first place with the community, which I knew was comprised mostly of teenagers who play Roblox and Project Moon games. In hindsight, I should've fuck it and push for it anyway.
I think it's funny how you say this, yet everybody blamed me for TKAF's "death." The only thing I was responsible for, at all, was that we weren't allowed to Pseudo's art and designs. That's it. Everybody on the dev team at that point agreed that we were going to need to get a new artist for new content, and to also replace the old content for consistency's sake. It wasn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, but everybody needed to say something about how I killed the project because of that at the time.
You wanna know why I don't take any of your shit seriously? It's because I knew deep-down that at the end of the day, none of you fuckers could stand hearing anything bad about something you like. You couldn't handle somebody challenging you, how you think, how you act, you couldn't handle somebody who treated you like you weren't the main character. I could, because at the end of the day, I had plenty of good conversations on the server with a few select people who were willing to actually settle things by using their brain. I'm not gonna sugarcoat shit, I'm not gonna pretend to be someone I'm not just because people don't like it.
When all was said and done, I got out with everything I could've done given the circumstances, and you all are still picking up the pieces of something I had already figured out more than half a year ago now. Judging by your "progress" it seems like you guys are just gonna end up with the same uninspired story that Pseudo ended up making; pieces of a grander puzzle with nothing to connect them in-between.
First of all, I leaked the document to expose just how bad shit was behind the scenes, that I had people up my ass for trying to take the story in a focused direction, while those very same people had no fucking idea what direction they wanted the story to go in, and blamed me for that by telling me to my face "Everything we made was based on what you'd laid out." If you read the leak, you'd notice what I'm talking about here. Both Alexey and Rasin (Rasin especially) are generally pretty bad writers, though I've talked with Kakite before about how if I could've worked with just him and not Rasin, I could take his creativity and meld it with my sensibility, because Alexey was genuinely kind of creative, and I wanted to see what I could do to make his ideas functional within a setting.
I didn't do it out of ego, I did it because I felt like I was insane. I felt like I was being suffocated by people who had no fucking idea what they were talking about and insisted every single time they did without a shred of evidence or reasoning to explain how or why. I leaked it because I needed to make sure that I wasn't fucking insane. After I did it, I read through every single bit of it again, my work and Alexey/Rasin's work. You don't understand how fucking cathartic it felt to realize that not only was their work still bad, it was worse than I had originally thought before. Nothing was of substance. It was all a shell for an idea they had no notion of in their minds.
I won't apologize for what I did. I won't apologize for how I acted. I won't give you a reprieve from the shit that you spit out of your own mouths, because accountability is not a virture but an expectation. I gave people a taste of their own medicine and they spat it back out. Then they blame me for giving it to them.
I don't trust any of you to make something worth my time. If you had a demo out now, I would skip all the story I could and focus on the gameplay, just so I could get a taste of Kakite's home cooking again, because out of everyone, the only person who showed any promise besides the artists (at the time) was the guy who actually made the fucking game, and when I said something about it, everybody complained as if I was wrong.
So what you're telling me is...
Alexey did everything I told him to start doing while I was on the team, more than half a year later, and you still hold me to blame for this shit?
Half a year later, he silently admits that he was wrong to no-one.
"The main problem with the development? Pride. On all fronts, mine included."
You can call me egotistical and immature or whatever the fuck you want for the rest of your life. You can call me anything to my face, and I won't retaliate, because at the summary of this entire discussion is that I am still right. None of you can tell me otherwise, because you just told me I was right. Alexey himself just admitted I was right. I made the blueprint, you all got mad about it, and now you cave in and say I'm right.
Back when I came back on after my ban from the server, I had added a gif of that scene from the trailer to Endgame to the design document saying, "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Isn't it funny how everything with this project ends up happening again and again? It's almost cosmic irony at this point.
Call my execution flawed or whatever, fine, but my message still echoes. You guys always keep looping back to me. You keep blaming me, you keep talking about me, you keep doing the same shit I tell you not to and it always ends up with you basically admitting I was right, but you REFUSE to say it outright.
So my question is, who's actually the egotistical one at this point? Who's the immature one? Who's the one who never actually admits they were wrong? I've admitted all I need to on where I was wrong, I don't need to repeat myself. So why do you always repeat yourselves like you never made mistakes? Why am I the only person who never has to change their ways? Why am I the only person who keeps getting talked about?
The answer to all those questions is obvious, because I'm the one who answered it back then. It's Alexey, and Pseudo, and everyone else who tried to tear me down, because they knew, deep down, I was always right.
I may be an asshole, which is something to work on for sure, but I'm never wrong. If you can't handle the truth, you should've never been on the internet in the first place, let alone out in the real world. I tried to show you all compassion by giving you something no else was willing to, and you blew up in my face for it. Not my problem anymore.
Anywho, with all that out of the way, let me clear the air:
I've pretty much abandoned the original document because I don't want to work on it. I have some ideas still lingering, but none of them are worth the time to work on the document again, and I'm far busier with work and IRL stuff to put any focus on that. I'm planning on re-enlisting soon enough, that or moving to another state closer to the people I genuinely care about, so I really don't give a shit about any of this anymore besides laughing at the "progress" this "remake" is making.
In the meantime, I'm gaining some experience in programming in C# because I plan later on to start development on a game that I intend to use primarily for my own research into creating an "anti-dark souls" style of game much later on. I don't have that much ambition for a full-fledged game, most of what I'm willing to work on is primarily just to make my skills and knowledge more potent, so you probably won't be seeing me for a while in general, and you most likely won't be seeing me on this forum with a dev badge because I don't really want to make a porn game.
With all of that said, here are my final thoughts:
I don't hate this game, I never hated this game, I never hated this project. I always hate the communities surrounding projects like these because everybody thinks they can make something better than someone else can without trying to dissect or understand what came before, and when they propose dumb ideas or lore, they get bitter because people state the obvious. However, what came before also isn't the bible. The original idea of something changes dramatically when new people are involved in the execution, and when that happens, you have to be able to let go of what came before.
TKAF is dead. It's been dead since Pseudo made it, because Pseudo hated this game and it's community far before I became involved, and I don't really care about it anymore. I came for the art, I stayed for the discussion, and I believe I've discussed enough about the game at this point. There's nothing more to say, this game kinda just sucked from the start and I gaslit myself into liking it because I wanted to make out with Red Hood in missionary. That's it.
I can only hope that the original fans of this game will enjoy the "remake," but at this point, don't hold out hope. You're putting your faith in the wrong people, except for one guy who I've already glazed enough as is. Just cut your losses and move on. It's best not to daydream.
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My dear Alice
How much must you twist the hearts of men
How much must you taint their souls black
How much must you break their minds
My dear Alice, sweet Alice
Another story has fallen to your sinfull temptations and collapse by its own pride
You showed them a dream, and in it's pursue they clawed at each other to possess it
Now only black ashes remain
What a mischievous little wonder you are my dear Alice
(almost 20 minutes to write this I'm really not cut to be a writer lmao)
How much must you twist the hearts of men
How much must you taint their souls black
How much must you break their minds
My dear Alice, sweet Alice
Another story has fallen to your sinfull temptations and collapse by its own pride
You showed them a dream, and in it's pursue they clawed at each other to possess it
Now only black ashes remain
What a mischievous little wonder you are my dear Alice
(almost 20 minutes to write this I'm really not cut to be a writer lmao)
Anon90s
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The old dev was supposed to be making a sfw game if I remember correctly, does anybody have his socials?
Just search under their old name from OP page 1.
I would not bet on it though. It seems to be a actual pattern at this point.
Gets inspiriation for a project. Then drops it for various reasons.
Outside of their consistent art output they dont seem to finish any of their other project idears.
I am having trouble attaching peoples' names to their contributions of this game's development.
This game is being remade by another group, right?
Do we know what members of the original group are helping with that?
It would be unfortunate if the artist or writer buggered off.
If you want to give me your personal opinion, do you think the new game will be better, or worse, than the original TKaF?
This game is being remade by another group, right?
Do we know what members of the original group are helping with that?
It would be unfortunate if the artist or writer buggered off.
If you want to give me your personal opinion, do you think the new game will be better, or worse, than the original TKaF?
Short answers
The people who didn't care about or those who couldn't handle some hate and drama the game left. (Main dev included)
The main dev was the original writer and the artist.
The story didn't go much further in the latest version, the current team can continue the story pretty easily thanks to that.
Will the game be better? Considering that they can keep what made the game special then it can probably be much better.
The good thing is the people who work about the game actually care about it
The bad thing is merely not being able to keep the artstyle might become the worst problem as the artstyle was what gave it the fairytale vibes just like black souls
All in all we shouldn't be hasty to judge as literally no news about the game has been shared yet
Also if anybody could share some news or the socials here it would be very helpful
(everything I wrote here is what I understood from this thread but since not much was shared here don't take my words to be true I might be extremely wrong about the situation)
The group that picked it up had to start from scratch. Because they arent allowed to keep the existing art. On top having to find another artist unless they want to solely rely on RPGMaker default assets.
The artist who was also the main lead dev quit for various reasons. Or maybe a more modern term would be "crashed out".
There is a discord group by the new devs who picked it up. But arent confident to release anything to the puplic or feel the need to keep a devlog so to speak.
Better or worse for that it has to release. However the thing that is crystal clear is it wont be TKaF anymore.
Thanks. It's unfortunate to hear that the main developer, artist, and writer left. I'd say those were all quality aspects of this game, and crucial aspects which give RPGMaker games their soul.
So to me, it seems like losing the writer and artist would result in any RPGMaker game going through a major transformation.
I can definitely understand why you'd say it will not be TKaF anymore.
Based on my limited experience with RPGMaker, I think it makes creating games very intuitive and a heck of a lot easier even if the person using it isn't very familiar with coding or game design in general. Making fangames of an already-existing RPGMaker game is a fairly straightforward process if you have access to the assets used in the actual game.
I don't mean to downplay the effort and time required to make games or fangames in RPGMaker by comparison, rather, this is just me throwing around what I believe are much-deserved compliments at RPGMaker, artists, and writers.
So to me, it seems like losing the writer and artist would result in any RPGMaker game going through a major transformation.
I can definitely understand why you'd say it will not be TKaF anymore.
Based on my limited experience with RPGMaker, I think it makes creating games very intuitive and a heck of a lot easier even if the person using it isn't very familiar with coding or game design in general. Making fangames of an already-existing RPGMaker game is a fairly straightforward process if you have access to the assets used in the actual game.
I don't mean to downplay the effort and time required to make games or fangames in RPGMaker by comparison, rather, this is just me throwing around what I believe are much-deserved compliments at RPGMaker, artists, and writers.
I remember somebody saying that the main dev did told them the story to a point and let them continue it, I don't know how true that is though.
Yes that is true until they tried to contact them again. Which resulted in them not being able to use the art assets from the demo. What they told them according to new devs twitter posts was "I forgot the entire plot so i cant tell you anything".
Which makes it very clear whatever happend they didnt like any of the new dev team.
Okay so that basically means no TKaF as nothing from the original will stay.
Since the game wasn't develop much its better for the new devs to make a original game inspired by TKaF.
Are these comments saying that fans that come from other communities such as Black Souls/Touhou/Project Moon/LiL, were causing issues for the TKaF developers?
Or were those just examples of unrelated communities that are also unfriendly and bother developers?
If some members of the community pushed away the main developers, then I fear what the remake will look like without those developers. Will the remaining devs turn a blind eye to harassment to keep the game the same, or will they give in to harassment and change what made the demo good in the first place.
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