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Looks interesting but I will wait till planned tags are added. tired of getting burned by "missing" tags showing up once I have spent time in a game only to be driven away by certain fetishes out of nowhere.
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Someone should update the pictures in the op. I seriously considered ignoring the thread without even giving the game a try.
There's way too many dev's not living up to their words putting out a timely update or just plain milkingcare to explain?
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1: This dev has 23 patrons so there is no option to milk anyone.
2: A dev doesn't owe you anything not even when you are a patron.
3: You are welcome to make your own game and show them how its done, but you and me both know that won't happen because then you'd learn how much work it actually takes and how much time it takes.
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Ok mute all sound means MUTE ALL THE FUCKING SOUND. Not mute everything but your shitty cutscene music and sound effects.
I mute sound on VNs because it's almost always the wrong music for the scenes, and way too fucking loud because someone didn't test their shit at full volume first and edit. and the sfx are even worse..... fuckin stilettos trying to skullfuck my ears.
I mute sound on VNs because it's almost always the wrong music for the scenes, and way too fucking loud because someone didn't test their shit at full volume first and edit. and the sfx are even worse..... fuckin stilettos trying to skullfuck my ears.
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not to defend the other person here but:
1. what he has now and what he will have are separate. And Ive seen someone milk the same 4 patrons for years because no one bothered to check on his site they were paying to.
2. I disagree in the fact that the dev does have the expectation to provide content to their patrons and that in the absence of that content patreon can be asked to refund his money if he doesn't provide what is promised.
3. Thats like saying you can't criticise food because you don't/can't cook. And very dependent on your knowledge level and tools used. Time consuming? yes. but his difficulty level....not so much. all the daz assets you can find right here in the asset section, from poses, scenes and he hasn't made any special lighting. not to mention his custom poses are very amateurish. So no, this one is pretty low effort. Rendering the image itself is the the time consuming part. It's why I like using honey select or other illusion games better. Screenshots are much faster than rendering. Programming wise he hasn't done anything that the tutorial that comes with Ren'py provides, so again low effort.
just to play devils advocate....
1. since when do you judge people based on what they might do? as far as I can see, this thread was created about 2.5 months ago and a second release has been made. if more people decide to sign up with him, that is there choice, and if it happens in the future and the developer milks them for 4 years, you can judge based on his actions, after they have been made.
2. expectation to provide service does not mean they owe anyone anything, especially if when that service is not provided, the money is refunded. life happens. maybe the guys computer blows up on the day he is diagnosed with ball cancer. he should be forced in front of a computer to finish the game? or you simply request the refund, and move on. nothing is owed anywhere. unless he takes lump sums promising a final product, like, pay me 50 bucks now and you will get something when I finish making it, and even then, the only thing truly owed is either the finished product, or a return of the initially provided funds. they are under no obligation to actually finish the product.
3. I would say that is an indirect comparison, since the direct comparison would be saying you can go cook something better instead to show the bad cook how its done. the poster never said he wasn't allowed to criticize, he was pointing out that the complainant was making accusations of "too many devs milking" and offered a solution, that being to show the rest of them how it should be done if he did it himself. although I will agree that anyone is able to criticize something based on the merit of the current product. unfortunately, what is being done currently is the developer is being criticized for actions that have not yet been made. considering another release appears to have been made, the developer is still updating the game. the people pledging money are still getting active development (albeit perhaps slowly), and if the people pledging money are dissatisfied with current progress, they are free to reduce or remove their current pledge. maybe the developer is milking them slowly, but initial release, to second release taking longer than expected is a very understandable occurrence. maybe there were a shit ton of bugs (metric) that needed to be removed first, before additional content could be added. if it was consistent, there is an argument to be made. if it was an initial thing required to correct issues that caused unexpected amounts of time to be spent, it should improve, right? and if your claims of being low effort are correct (haven't tried it yet, was checking out what it was about from brave souls with even more free time than myself) it stands to reason that the developer may be new, or lacking in skills, and might have spent additional time trying to learn how to do more with the coding, correct? or maybe he isn't, and he is just trying to make a quick buck. either way, without further data, the conclusion that he is milking cant be reached yet, and therefore, should be given the benefit of the doubt, not flagged as a scammer because someone got butt hurt about a delay in a release. anyone who is interested in giving him money can, and anyone who isn't can wait until they are, continue to steal the game indefinitely, or go check out one of the 78 million other threads on this site and stop whining.
hopefully some food for thought. good day sir.
I'm with Carpe Stultus on this one.
Calling a dev a 'milker' when you're on a pirate site leeching is beyond self deluded.
Creating a game is a shit ton of work and you're not going to make any real money for at least a year which means you have to make the game while you have a day job.
If a dev takes to long between updates for a supporters taste a patron do what tons of other people do and just sub when an update comes out.
As for people who forget they subbed to someone, that's on them.
And a big yes on critics making their own game. You'd be amazed at how much time and effort goes into just one scene.
Calling a dev a 'milker' when you're on a pirate site leeching is beyond self deluded.
Creating a game is a shit ton of work and you're not going to make any real money for at least a year which means you have to make the game while you have a day job.
If a dev takes to long between updates for a supporters taste a patron do what tons of other people do and just sub when an update comes out.
As for people who forget they subbed to someone, that's on them.
And a big yes on critics making their own game. You'd be amazed at how much time and effort goes into just one scene.
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Ok lets see:
1. So because you've seen someone milking, allegedly, with 4 patreons means automatically that every dev will milk huh? You do realise, that the one you've seen "milking" probably had a real life job and made the game as hobby, right? If not you are delusional. By your standards the cops could throw you in jail tomorrow because you could rob a bank, just because they saw someone did this before too.
2. Wrong patrons support a dev because they want to support him the dev isn't obligated to do anything because of that because they decide to give him money, patreon is a tipjar and not a job. Is it cool when a dev never communicates and just takes the money without doing something? No, but again he isn't obligated to do so.
3. Its not the same because its not just the rendering thats involved and yeah his renders are basic but thats not the point. Its nice that you prefer HS, others don't and again not the point.
Sorry but these arguments are just ridiculous.
Edit: It is also obvious that the dev is inexperienced that will also add time to the work process.
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1. No, I'm not saying that at all. Just that it is possible to milk 23 patrons as easily as 2300.
2. Now who is delusional. No one just hands someone money for nothing. You have pricing tiers for a reason and they come with a promised amount of content for each tier. And while not a violation of patreon TOS, you can still reasonably request a refund if services are not delivered as promised. And no patreon is not a tipjar. Many MANY content creators now look to patreon as a primary means of income since YouTube demonitizes on a whim and some Devs in this community are making upwards of 6 figures. If that is not a primary means of income, I don't know what is.
3. Unlike most, I'm speaking from experience working with both Daz and HS. I'm not speaking from ignorance.
No where did I really insult the dev so much as point out the flaws of the arguement. I played it through, it's ok and if he keeps at it, it won't matter. He'll still do just fine and find an audience just by being diligent.
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For starters this argument had nothing to do with the Dev but the posters argument. I simply said you can milk just as few patrons as you can the many.
Kinda crappy situation to hand someone money and expect to be ripped off isn't it? I mean the dev has laid a set of expectations both in the game and on their patreon, so yes I would say you expect something for the money given. It is a bit of a conundrum with porn games as most often they are made for "free" due to the various issues that come with the development or subject matter in general. But since all income from patreon comes with taxation, I would say its more business, and with business come a customer/company relationship.
Thats exactly the "don't complain if you cant make a game yourself argument." a better statement would be to give an example of a developer doing it right instead of making someone do something they may be incapable of.
You can't steal what is given away free. While Renp'y is 100% free, not all daz assets have the same allowances. This is why most of these games are on patreon and not on steam, or some other much more broadly advertised gaming platform.
I had a Fez image to post, but it wouldn't let me.
Don't get me wrong the poster everyone thinks I'm in agreement with, was stupid or posting in the wrong thread. The dev hasn't shown any ill will. I merely pointed out the arguments made were flawed. of course no one read "not to defend the other person here" statement. And I made no accusations to the dev specifically.
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Aside from the Engrish, the premise is exciting and has potential. Renders are great and the power fantasy set up here leaves me with anticipation. The problem is the execution; we have virtually no character development of anyone, which leaves little reason to care about anyone, and the MC hasn't given me any plausible reason to want to root for him. Namely, we don't know what we're rooting for him to do. Make money so he can have sex? Okay, I mean I guess that's enough for some people. It is a porn game after all. Not for me.
Also, this is another shining example of why I hate sandbox games: 99% of the time, they're implemented in a way that is an entirely negative experience, with no redeeming qualities in any way shape or form. It adds nothing but boredom and tedium most of the time.
Also, this is another shining example of why I hate sandbox games: 99% of the time, they're implemented in a way that is an entirely negative experience, with no redeeming qualities in any way shape or form. It adds nothing but boredom and tedium most of the time.
2.5 months ago created. 2 releases made. how much more do you want for a guy that is probably losing money to create this game?
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hey my friend found a code for a built in walkthrough but he can't find how to input it and I can't find it either how do you input passwords for this game
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go the the phone/hint system and click walkthrough after that it'll ask for a password.