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I honestly appreciate the work on Tot and how the game is growing in quality it is extremely rare for many hentai/porn games to go into the nitty gritty of kinks especially foot domination. Alot of porn/hentai games that has foot fetish content barely scratches the surface or just puts in a footjob scene and call it a day. I like how each floor has its own reoccurring theme and how more insane the floors get as you climb up. I will not let my praises go unsung.
However the main problem that myself and many others have constantly criticized is the constant delays and overall wasting time of those who have not paid money and wasting the money that current patrons have put into the project and probably forgot about. At first it started out as "cute" for a better term but then it eventually devolved into a game of when is Koda going to say that the game is going to get delayed to just getting desensitized and bored when it happens. In some instances I don't mind if you do these side projects along the way since other game devs may have a side project or two going on. For example, Gamefreak was working on Little Town Hero alongside Pokemon Sword and Shield (the quality of those games withstanding). On a smaller scale we have Siren's Domain who was working on Town of Passion alongside Zombie's Retreat.
The problem is when it obviously cuts into the development of the main project as Warrior Guild one of the games you guys made was also getting the delayed experience. While I can't completely say that it halted Tot's development as I am not you or Koda I can say that it felt that way for sometime. I eventually got bored from watching the delays to getting kind of pissed as for one people are putting money into this thing at the end of the day only for the project to feel sidetracked and barely improving. Then we have the f95zone community that has sort of mellowed out just complaining and bringing your plagiarism into the light. It was and still is a shitshow for a lack of better terms.
Going back to Siren's Domain and his/her side projects, while the guy/gal put his/her main focus on Town of Passion it doesn't feel like Zombie's retreat got the shaft. Compared to all of your projects all of them got the shaft one way or another Tot still hasn't had its 7th floor with constant update promises (spring cleaning, Cobra Expansion, Mrs. Claus expansion thingy) that end up getting the shelved treatment I wont be surprised if the Jester or Swan chapter 3 gets the same fate (not that I hope I do or anything). Then we have Warrior Guild a game that was going to have an update that was meant to be an enhanced experience compared to the previous update ended up getting released in a pseudo unfinished state missing the promised content only later to get an update that while I enjoyed still left a lot to be desired. We also have Tiffany's trap as well as Always in Debt games that are largely the same game gameplay wise with only the story and scenarios being kind of different. then ends up getting an update that adds multiple endings yet feel empty compared to Warrior Guild. All of these projects and side projects has fucked each other in one way or another
My advice for you and Koda is to Learn your strengths and weaknesses and slowly improve on those weaknesses by either implementing into Tot or using side projects like Warrior Guild to see how the audience reacts as I believed that at first Warrior Guild was wasted potential full of good ideas that would be more entertaining if fully realized and utilized in Tot and while Warrior Guild's recent update doesn't completely realize the potential I see into it. I am somewhat enjoying myself with it more than when it first came out. My final advice and the one I don't mind if you disregard completely is to expand your team. I am not saying you need to have this extremely intelligent dev team but maybe find a third or fourth member that is more experienced if not equally as competent as you guys to help alleviate potential problems that show up.Please do not quit either I am not saying this as a fan but more as a guy who see that people are putting money into this project and the fact that more and more people are seeing your endeavors as fruitless and your side projects as a waste of time should be seen as a wake up call that you shouldn't continue with these side projects and focus on the main dish. Keep improving man I do hope I and many others are still around once this game is completed but it is up to you and Koda if that ultimately happens.
Edit: made edits because I couldn't add them at the time due to weird issues with F95zone's reply box
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Sit down son, you have no knowledge of the plagiarized art that Bo himself addmited doing because it makes his work easier and that has been pointed multiple times in this thread.
I was a patreon, only for a few months, after Lilly and before Karen. So I put money to the cause because I believed in them and they ultimately failed, that was before 2019 darkest year of ToT and the F7 bullshit. After this we started demanding for a plausible explanation of so much delay from Koda, he promised an explanation that never came and now we know what we suspected, overambition.
So my polite "Thank you" as an ex-patreon won't come until they earn back my trust.
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Holy shit. Are you guys actually falling for Bo's sob story? So, according to him, ToT's development reaching a major standstill is simply an inevitable result of him being a new and inexperienced developer who's always trying to do new and better things with his game?
There's so many things wrong with this narrative. Like the fact that calling Bo a new and inexperienced game dev at this point is reaching. Let's also mention that he was getting better content out faster when he was newer and more inexperienced as a dev than he is today (ToT peaked years ago now).
So he's trying to do new stuff all the time, right? He doesn't want ToT to become repetitive, riiight? Then if that's the case, why are so many of ToT's CGs either exact copies or alterations of a limited pool of drawings? Oh, and let's not forget that a good amount those drawings weren't even drawn by Bo himself.
And while we're on the subject of plagiarism, if Bo's so insistent on making a good game above all things, even the amount of time it would take... Why did he give the excuse that "copying is faster, lolzers" when someone confronted him about his art tracing?
Oh yeah, and despite being the lead man in this wild ride, everything's outside his control. It's not like he can fire Koda, or tell him to hurry it up, or to go seek help for his obviously-out-of-control OCD (that's just one of his quirks, after all). It's not like he can tell Koda to focus on getting 7F out before anything else, or like he can hire someone to help both of them out with all the bank he's making on Patreon, or like he can just do it himself... Pity this man, for he is out of options /s. I'm glad at least not everyone is falling for these obvious attempts at manipulation.
And you know what the best part is? Bo's acknowledgement that making 7F so big was a mistake is worth nothing. There's gonna be another 7F (assuming 7F ever comes out), because the same thing happened with 6F, that floor took so long to complete compared to the other updates to the game at that point (which made people mad back then) that immediately after its release the devs told us there wouldn't be any more huge floors... and then they broke their promise. And there's no need to imagine them breaking their current promise, because Koda's already said that we'd be having a return to massive content updates after all the current planned stuff comes out. They'll never ever learn.
In closing, don't feel bad for having said "Fuck the devs" just as the devs were about to show up, feel proud because it means that you respect yourself enough not to let these slimy bastards have their way with you. Your patience for their shit should've ran out looong ago.
There's so many things wrong with this narrative. Like the fact that calling Bo a new and inexperienced game dev at this point is reaching. Let's also mention that he was getting better content out faster when he was newer and more inexperienced as a dev than he is today (ToT peaked years ago now).
So he's trying to do new stuff all the time, right? He doesn't want ToT to become repetitive, riiight? Then if that's the case, why are so many of ToT's CGs either exact copies or alterations of a limited pool of drawings? Oh, and let's not forget that a good amount those drawings weren't even drawn by Bo himself.
And while we're on the subject of plagiarism, if Bo's so insistent on making a good game above all things, even the amount of time it would take... Why did he give the excuse that "copying is faster, lolzers" when someone confronted him about his art tracing?
Oh yeah, and despite being the lead man in this wild ride, everything's outside his control. It's not like he can fire Koda, or tell him to hurry it up, or to go seek help for his obviously-out-of-control OCD (that's just one of his quirks, after all). It's not like he can tell Koda to focus on getting 7F out before anything else, or like he can hire someone to help both of them out with all the bank he's making on Patreon, or like he can just do it himself... Pity this man, for he is out of options /s. I'm glad at least not everyone is falling for these obvious attempts at manipulation.
And you know what the best part is? Bo's acknowledgement that making 7F so big was a mistake is worth nothing. There's gonna be another 7F (assuming 7F ever comes out), because the same thing happened with 6F, that floor took so long to complete compared to the other updates to the game at that point (which made people mad back then) that immediately after its release the devs told us there wouldn't be any more huge floors... and then they broke their promise. And there's no need to imagine them breaking their current promise, because Koda's already said that we'd be having a return to massive content updates after all the current planned stuff comes out. They'll never ever learn.
In closing, don't feel bad for having said "Fuck the devs" just as the devs were about to show up, feel proud because it means that you respect yourself enough not to let these slimy bastards have their way with you. Your patience for their shit should've ran out looong ago.
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Not making a comment about any of the other points here, but there seems to be a narrative in the thread that they are making a shitload of money from patreon. They're making 3.6k per month, which is 43k per year. Assuming it's split equally (it's probably not), they would be making around the equivalent of a $10/hr job.
Bo Wei most likely takes the bigger cut, and seeing as he's Chinese this amount would probably be above average in his country. But if money is what mattered Koda would be better off flipping burgers.
In any case I would not call this making bank, and there are plenty of other Patreons making tens of thousands per month with similar amounts of output (monster girl island).
Bo Wei most likely takes the bigger cut, and seeing as he's Chinese this amount would probably be above average in his country. But if money is what mattered Koda would be better off flipping burgers.
In any case I would not call this making bank, and there are plenty of other Patreons making tens of thousands per month with similar amounts of output (monster girl island).
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I've lost patience long ago my dude but I've grown more Apathetic than pissed at this point because at the end of the day, Whatever Bo and Koda posts about 7th floor is either going to be disappointing or begs the question of what the hell took you so long. Like I said long ago the damage has been done.
Yeah he might not be making alot but the fact that people are still donating to a game that hasn't made a great deal of progress towards the main story/goal (like another indie game that people on youtube are still riffing on) makes you feel sorry for those who are still paying in hopes that these guys will actually finish the game. Especially if the devs take time away from the main project's development to make a side project that ends up bringing the main project's development into a screeching halt. Money wasted is money wasted no matter if the guy either did or did not make alot of money via patreon. A snake oil salesman is still a snake oil salesman even if he made bank from his scams or not.
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Not to mention in a lot of the updates, we only get maybe 5 or 6 new CGs, and then bo/koda just cuts and pastes from those CGs reusing those cuts all throughout an update.
And not to mention the writing makes me cringe a lot of the time
And not to mention the writing makes me cringe a lot of the time
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When I say Bo is making bank, I mean just Bo, I'm assuming he gets something like 80% of the cut. And since he's not really doing anything to earn that money I see it as him leeching off of his patrons.
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Fair point, but have you seen any of those 3.6k per month invested in ToT? I mean that's what Patreon is for.
So thinking back, some time ago, people asked Koda why F7 is not top priority and he said "is kinda complicated/easier said than done" also said that F7 was just a bunch of random scenes without, in his words, cohesive narrative, even though he uploaded those videos showing F7 "progress", bullshit and lies. They never comunicated that they couldn't do it, that their overambition crippled the game (kinda similar to what happened to that popular indie youtube plays game).
Worst part of this is that they had more than a year to come clean and sincere about 7F real development progress..."but hey at least we had some laughs!".
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Honestly the best way to prove all the negatives comments wrong is to just be honest about progress and not give us false hope. The reason people are so pissed about this game is because they are passionate about it. At the end of the day we all want the same thing...
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In my opinion, the "anger of the crowd" is legit. The main problem is, as everyone already knows, the constant delay, and lack of transparency. They clearly made mistakes last year, mistakes that should have reduced their amount of patrons... ( Actually, i don't know if it decreased ? )
BUT still, i don't think either Bo or Koda are evil people. They are just making errors as every human being makes. It's just that errors should bring consequences.
BUT still, i don't think either Bo or Koda are evil people. They are just making errors as every human being makes. It's just that errors should bring consequences.
Honestly, being 'Passionate' doesn't absolve one of basic decency. Grousing is everyone's right, but this kind of vitriol isn't grousing, it's just, well, entitlement, with a generous side of "I've never done it but it looks easy."
Well, if just doing what people have demanded of Bo Wei is all it would take to make these people happy, they should do that. Design a game. Make assets. Plot it out. Code it up in a gaming engine designed by a third party. Make statistical estimates of project times. Do all this while working an 8+ hour shift 5+ days a week.
You go ahead and do that. I'm sure it will be easy - the only reason gaming companies have 10-50 people doing those jobs in studio is laziness.
Well, if just doing what people have demanded of Bo Wei is all it would take to make these people happy, they should do that. Design a game. Make assets. Plot it out. Code it up in a gaming engine designed by a third party. Make statistical estimates of project times. Do all this while working an 8+ hour shift 5+ days a week.
You go ahead and do that. I'm sure it will be easy - the only reason gaming companies have 10-50 people doing those jobs in studio is laziness.
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Well this art remind me of someone like Yvonne...