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[Verisimilinude]

I would think Don is planning Byron and Sentinel for another story...

Makes sense to spin out side stories/series - appease the uberfans who like those elements.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Unless the program on the thumbdrive is created for the type of system that a large company, like Sentinel, has and not pcs or mac, kind of an overkill situation

I just meant the thumb drive would be a reminder to Dan, that someone more intelligent/tech savvy is available if he was willing to double down on exposing himself to Sentinel in return for "getting" Sarah back (a 2nd devil's bargain).

 

[GGCaesar]

Curious - why in your opinion must all three "lose" for it to be a happy ending for you? I mean I think all three have already lost something because of Dan opening Pandora's box. But I'd like to hear your reasons for that opinion. Unless by happy ending you mean an ending that would be more interesting to you.

Surely this is my opinion, of course.

I don’t like Lester Superman view and if he gets Sarah pregnant is a happy ending for him(not for me) still in this Superman streak.

If his manipulation in the end fires him back and fails, in my opinion would give a bigger depth to the story. Just that.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Surely this is my opinion, of course.

I don’t like Lester Superman view and if he gets Sarah pregnant is a happy ending for him(not for me) still in this Superman streak.

If his manipulation in the end fires him back and fails, in my opinion would give a bigger depth to the story. Just that.

Apologies - no offense intended - honestly was just curious why you felt they all needed to lose for it to be a satisfying ending for you. Like what does it look like for each of them; how do they lose?

 

[Ndbaelor]

Surely this is my opinion, of course.

I don’t like Lester Superman view and if he gets Sarah pregnant is a happy ending for him(not for me) still in this Superman streak.

If his manipulation in the end fires him back and fails, in my opinion would give a bigger depth to the story. Just that.

What do you think about Lester being infertile option? Seems to be the most plausible out I all the variations and could be a good blow to his ego: he can game everything around Sarah, he can corrupt her body,mind and soul, but he can't breach her eggs.

 

[GGCaesar]

Apologies - no offense intended - honestly was just curious why you felt they all needed to lose for it to be a satisfying ending for you. Like what does it look like for each of them; how do they lose?

My opinion is this story is about control(with a lot of wonderful graphic sex of course )so for me losing is about the demonstration that each of them thinks is in control but is only an illusion.

Dan has already lost. He gave in to his voyeur kink, thinking he was the one moving the wires. In the end his nemesis is enjoying is wife in a way he has never done and he has totally lost the control about it. In the end he will raise someone else child due to is arrogance about judging Lester poor appearance and skills.

Lester is presented as Superman. A real one leads men and Lester does not. He thinks he is very skilled in manipulating situations. In the end up to now he has only done in shadows. Now due to Sarah’s level he has begun to hit the open ground. He must learn that he has limits too and his arrogance would lead to a fail of his plans.

Sarah is enjoying sex, playing often the reluctant one, thinking to be smart enough to manipulate the others getting pleasure she has never believed to experience without consequences. The BC thing without telling anyone while teasing Lester(which is a clear indication that she has not any real or relevant feeling for him) is the evidence of it. For her losing is the lost of her control about her fertility and getting pregnant.

 

[GGCaesar]

What do you think about Lester being infertile option? Seems to be the most plausible out I all the variations and could be a good blow to his ego: he can game everything around Sarah, but he can't breach her eggs.

Is a possible way to lose. I prefer an error of him more than a natural one. But it is my taste only.

 

[Verisimilinude]

My opinion is this story is about control(with a lot of wonderful graphic sex of course )so for me losing is about the demonstration that each of them thinks is in control but is only an illusion.

Dan has already lost. He gave in to his voyeur kink, thinking he was the one moving the wires. In the end his nemesis is enjoying is wife in a way he has never done and he has totally lost the control about it. In the end he will raise someone else child due to is arrogance about judging Lester poor appearance and skills.

Lester is presented as Superman. A real one leads man and Lester does not. He thinks he is very skilled in manipulating situations. In the end up to now he has only done in shadows. Now due to Sarah’s level he has begun to hit the open ground. He must learn that he has limits too and his arrogance would lead to a fail of his plans.

Sarah is enjoying sex, playing often the reluctant one, thinking to be smart enough to manipulate the others getting pleasure she has never believed to experience without consequences. The BC thing without telling anyone while teasing Lester(which is a clear indication that she has not any real or relevant feeling for him) is the evidence of it. For her losing is the lost of her control about her fertility and getting pregnant.

Thanks for sharing. I think those are all well thought out concepts and I understand your point of view better now. I would say that a greater loss for Lester would be his total loss of Sarah, or her standing up to him in the end and saying she wouldn't keep his child and leaving him.

 

[Ndbaelor]

I hope that Lester tells Sarah that he is living in that house and she lets him tell her what to do. The so-called "troll's cave" is where Lester stays and either he goes to her or she goes to him, but the pressure is on from Lester for him to sleep in the marriage bed, with her.

I immediately thought of that when Don mentioned basement in the latest chapter. They have been at it for months now and it's time to celebrate some relationship milestones. They have done it in his apartment ,her house and everywhere in-between, they don't have their own place, a love nest just for themselves,yet. I mean they are already "engaged", so naturally they have to 'move in' together. I had the similar thought when Lester mentioned having to talk to Otis that he will find an unattended room and make them their love shack (also when Sarah's windowless office was introduced).

Though it's kinky to have Lester occupy Dan's house, realistically, does Lester see Middleton as temporary pit stop or permanent base? He has developed a whole ecosystem under his control back in Chicago, it would be against his best judgment to create a new one in Middleton.

 

[idkmanerally]

A simpler analogy: if a writer spends 3/4 of the story building up Johnny the peasant's rise to kingship, only to have an obscure character kill him and take the throne in the final chapter, they've broken their promise to the audience.

building up to something for 3/4ths of the story for it to then happen exactly the way you expect... that makes for a very boring story. especially since all the drama has long since disappeared, lester has conquered sarah many times over.

many stories with heavy, obvious foreshadowing use a twist or surprise to make the ending satisfying.

a twist ending would be dan and lester sitting in their crappy apartment lonely together while watching sarah suck otis's dick on an onlyfans livestream

 

[Verisimilinude]

What do you think about Lester being infertile option? Seems to be the most plausible out I all the variations and could be a good blow to his ego: he can game everything around Sarah, he can corrupt her body,mind and soul, but he can't breach her eggs.

This is another great example of a promise - but I admit it's a grey area. There's been nothing written suggesting he is sterile, and only one scene that indicates he isn't. Lizzie seemed very worried about Lester finishing inside her - since it was inferred she and Issac were trying to have a child.

Would it be plausible for DS to write that as a reveal in the final chapters, yes, but I think people would still feel like the rug was pulled out from underneath them if he did. Unless DS starts dropping hints moving forward that it's a possibility that Lester could be sterile.

 

[Verisimilinude]

building up to something for 3/4ths of the story for it to then happen exactly the way you expect... that makes for a very boring story. especially since all the drama has long since disappeared, Lester has conquered Sarah many times over.

many stories with heavy, obvious foreshadowing use a twist or surprise to make the ending satisfying.

a twist ending would be dan and lester sitting in their crappy apartment lonely together while watching sarah suck otis's dick on an onlyfans livestream

It's unfortunate that you find the story very boring, I really mean that.

DS has spent 3/4 of the story building up Lester as stealing Sarah from Dan, so if an obscure character (Otis or another rando) steals her from Dan/Lester, in the final chapter(s), he's broken his promise to the audience.

I'm not forgetting anything, foreshadowing is actually the point I'm making. In order for twist endings or surprising reveals to work, you have to foreshadow it in the writing or the audience feels cheated. The Sixth Sense had a huge twist ending and the only reason it worked is because the clues were right there in front of you the whole time.

Side Note: It's not a plausible ending but it would be a comical one.
Dan is sitting on the couch in the Chicago apartment, his life in ruins, when he hears the plodding slap of Lester's footsteps coming down the hallway. Dan closes his eyes and pinches the bridge of his nose 'Fuck my life, what now!?" he mutters under his breath, clutching the bottle of scotch in his hand. He hears the pop and fizz of a coke can being opened and then Lester's voice pierces his throbbing skull "Got a new wife yet? Rent's due next week."

Dan opened his eyes as Lester plopped down on the couch, his fat frog-like frame taking up half the couch. "No, I can't make TenderGrind work on my phone." saying this he almost vomited from the belch Lester let out and blew Dan's way. Lester sneered at Dan, licking his lips "Hey, remember when your ex-wife would suck my cock while you watched? That was hot, right?" Dan couldn't believe it, even now his brain fogged up with lust, thoughts and images of Sarah being so naughty made him hard.
"Yes. No. Maybe." he mumbled in response.
'Why the fuck did I open that damn box?' Dan thought as he slumped further into the couch.
...and fade to black.

 

[idkmanerally]

DS has spent 3/4 of the story building up Lester as stealing Sarah from Dan, so if an obscure character (Otis or another rando) steals her from Dan/Lester, in the final chapter(s), he's broken his promise to the audience.

seeing foreshadowing as a "promise to the audience" is just... not true. movies and books misdirect all the time, or change course, or evolve as the story is told.

not to mention the theme of the story isn't necessarily "lester steals sarah" anyway - the moral of the story could just as well be "play with fire and you get burned" or "a woman's descent into corruption" or even "a woman breaks free of the men who control her to find happiness for herself," if the story decides to head in that direction.

i don't think don is a good enough writer to pull some of this off, certainly since he seems to want to drag it out as long as possible to milk his subscribers. but your insistence that promises were made via foreshadowing is a really limiting understanding of fiction and its possibilities. you can just say "i wouldn't like it if it ended like that" without invoking THE LAWS OF FORESHADOWING or some other made up shit

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

I immediately thought of that when Don mentioned basement in the latest chapter. They have been at it for months now and it's time to celebrate some relationship milestones. They have done it in his apartment ,her house and everywhere in-between, they don't have their own place, a love nest just for themselves,yet. I mean they are already "engaged", so naturally they have to 'move in' together. I had the similar thought when Lester mentioned having to talk to Otis that he will find an unattended room and make them their love shack (also when Sarah's windowless office was introduced).

Though it's kinky to have Lester occupy Dan's house, realistically, does Lester see Middleton as temporary pit stop or permanent base? He has developed a whole ecosystem under his control back in Chicago, it would be against his best judgment to create a new one in Middleton.

I think the only reason he would care about being in the house is to get Sarah to keep a secret from Dan and to take it from him. That's the whole reason I think he would still pressure her to fuck in her marital bed instead of downstairs all of the time.

 

[Ndbaelor]

I think the only reason he would care about being in the house is to get Sarah to keep a secret from Dan and to take it from him. That's the whole reason I think he would still pressure her to fuck in her marital bed instead of downstairs all of the time.

This reminds me: what is the longest amount of time Lester and Sarah spent together, uninterrupted, all by themselves?! The one I could remember the second time Lester spent on their home (the one with phone call with dad). I ask because conflict within the couples increases when they spend more time together (see the spike of divorce post 2020). Imagine Sarah asking Lester about his past, he pushes back and boom, fight. I could recall them having testy, whiny conversations but I don't recall them having a full on argument (another couples milestone to be crossed). Sarah seems like she is good at winning arguments,I would like to know how Lester would handle it

 

[Ndbaelor]

Psiber's Troll cave,along with adamblack's shopping spree idea actually lead me to another idea (more of a fan fiction): Lester looking for a place to stay temporarily and asks Sarah to help him.This house shopping could be an opportunity for a lot of fun interaction between them. Obviously their version of checking the place involves lots of innuendos and boundary pushings. Imagine Lester and the owner talking in the living room while Sarah is in the background, in the name of checking the room, doing things behind the owner that only Lester could see ( squatting to check the oven and simulating fellatio, lamenting lack of space for 'guests', pretend-tied inside cupboard, little lap dance in the la-z-boy,all fours on the bed, spread eagle in the dining room).They could also go to a store later and look for furniture that could 'handle' them (I would like Sarah removing her bra underneath the shirt and hiding it in one of the store items)

The reason I put this above 'troll cave' is because it mirrors their first meeting - she entered his life house hunting with her husband now she is doing it with him as his 'fiancé'. He even asks her to wear the same clothes as their first meeting, this time with their engagement ring. Now, he could find a perfect, secluded spot closer to her house or he could use this opportunity to convince her why staying in her house is a better idea.

There is also a way to progress the main story here. While recalling the past (during the shopping or afterwards during sex) he might blurt out some info ("remember what you told dan that day yadda yadda...") that could trigger her memory and she remembers Lester wasn't there when it happened and convince her that Dan was right, he was peeping on them since the day they met. She could then use the opportunity of spending more time with him (either at his place or at her basement) to learn more. Remember, this is fan fiction. I don't expect this to happen, but would be happy if it does!

 

[Ndbaelor]

Psiber's Troll cave,along with adamblack's shopping spree idea actually lead me to another idea (more of a fan fiction): Lester looking for a place to stay temporarily and asks Sarah to help him.This house shopping could be an opportunity for a lot of fun interaction between them. Obviously their version of checking the place involves lots of innuendos and boundary pushings. Imagine Lester and the owner talking in the living room while Sarah is in the background, in the name of checking the room, doing things behind the owner that only Lester could see ( squatting to check the oven and simulating fellatio, lamenting lack of space for 'guests', pretend-tied inside cupboard, little lap dance in the la-z-boy,all fours on the bed, spread eagle in the dining room).They could also go to a store later and look for furniture that could 'handle' them (I would like Sarah removing her bra underneath the shirt and hiding it in one of the store items)

The reason I put this above 'troll cave' is because it mirrors their first meeting - she entered his life house hunting with her husband now she is doing it with him as his 'fiancé'. He even asks her to wear the same clothes as their first meeting, this time with their engagement ring. Now, he could find a perfect, secluded spot closer to her house or he could use this opportunity to convince her why staying in her house is a better idea.

There is also a way to progress the main story here. While recalling the past (during the shopping or afterwards during sex) he might blurt out some info ("remember what you told dan that day yadda yadda...") that could trigger her memory and she remembers Lester wasn't there when it happened and convince her that Dan was right, he was peeping on them since the day they met. She could then use the opportunity of spending more time with him (either at his place or at her basement) to learn more.

Then comes the fun part - moving in day and housewarming party. Both involves only one guest: Sarah. Basically a long weekend with just two of them. He could make it interesting by not giving her the new code to the place and tells she can earn it by completing the 'tasks' he sets on moving day, either at the house or at the hospital. Some tasks involved exhibitionism, some involves rope play, some treasure hunting,with interruptions by Lester sprinkled through out. I'll let your mind do the rest!

 

[WillBillNill]

A crossover between TA and Detestable Liaison would be interesting. Sarah getting the Courtney treatment (with Lester picking the guy/guys) and Courtney starting to get hornier, with Lester the one to sort out her needs this time.

 

[adamblack144]

Another idea for DS. Have Lester call Dan while Sarah is sucking his dick. Lester will humiliate and mock Dan and whatever he says to him on the phone, make Sarah repeat when he's alone with her. Then take a selfie picture of her face with cum on it kissing his dick and make Sarah send it to Dan

 

[Verisimilinude]

seeing foreshadowing as a "promise to the audience" is just... not true. but your insistence that promises were made via foreshadowing is a really limiting understanding of fiction and its possibilities.

It's clear we are not communicating, my apologies for that. One of the key purposes of foreshadowing is to create a sense of promise or expectation in the narrative, preparing readers for future events. When done effectively, foreshadowing supports and fulfills the implicit promises a writer makes by hinting at what is to come, thereby enhancing the coherence and satisfaction of the story for the audience.

Yes you are correct one of it's other uses is to subvert a reader's expectations - however DS has laid no groundwork that would indicate "(insert random NPC of choice)" would be the "character" who wins Sarah's affections at the end of the story. I don't have a dog in the hunt, I'm simply reading what's written.

Since this is deviating into personal rather than objective discussion, I'll leave it at thank you for sharing your point of views even though I may not agree with them all.