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[Verisimilinude]

seeing foreshadowing as a "promise to the audience" is just... not true. but your insistence that promises were made via foreshadowing is a really limiting understanding of fiction and its possibilities.

It's clear we are not communicating, my apologies for that. One of the key purposes of foreshadowing is to create a sense of promise or expectation in the narrative, preparing readers for future events. When done effectively, foreshadowing supports and fulfills the implicit promises a writer makes by hinting at what is to come, thereby enhancing the coherence and satisfaction of the story for the audience.

Yes you are correct one of it's other uses is to subvert a reader's expectations - however DS has laid no groundwork that would indicate "(insert random NPC of choice)" would be the "character" who wins Sarah's affections at the end of the story. I don't have a dog in the hunt, I'm simply reading what's written.

Since this is deviating into personal rather than objective discussion, I'll leave it at thank you for sharing your point of views even though I may not agree with them all.

 

[Verisimilinude]

I think the only reason he would care about being in the house is to get Sarah to keep a secret from Dan and to take it from him. That's the whole reason I think he would still pressure her to fuck in her marital bed instead of downstairs all of the time.

Technically Lester's already done that, I think the next level of humiliation is doing it while Dan sleeps on the couch or the basement, i.e. knowing it's happening but not getting to watch (denying Dan his fantasies).

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

This reminds me: what is the longest amount of time Lester and Sarah spent together, uninterrupted, all by themselves?! The one I could remember the second time Lester spent on their home (the one with phone call with dad). I ask because conflict within the couples increases when they spend more time together (see the spike of divorce post 2020). Imagine Sarah asking Lester about his past, he pushes back and boom, fight. I could recall them having testy, whiny conversations but I don't recall them having a full on argument (another couples milestone to be crossed). Sarah seems like she is good at winning arguments,I would like to know how Lester would handle it

Me either and a valid point, the only thing I would say to the covid lockdown divorce spike is that it was amazing to me how many married people there were who really didn't like each other. If they could spend the day at work and activities with friends and then be at home, awake, maybe 10-15% of their total time and then sleep, they were fine, but if they had to spend any real time together, they found out that they could not stand each other.

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

Technically Lester's already done that, I think the next level of humiliation is doing it while Dan sleeps on the couch or the basement, i.e. knowing it's happening but not getting to watch (denying Dan his fantasies).

Yes, but I mean with him moving in, with Sarah's help and telling Dan this is no longer his full time home. Imagine Dan's brain exploding as Sarah tells him that Lester is sharing the room and bed with her now. That is what I mean is Lester would want.

 

[Oresttitos]

Yes, but I mean with him moving in, with Sarah's help and telling Dan this is no longer his full time home. Imagine Dan's brain exploding as Sarah tells him that Lester is sharing the room and bed with her now. That is what I mean is Lester would want.

This is a really great idea because the last few chapters lack drama. The story turns into a detective spy thriller with elements of porn.

 

[Ndbaelor]

Yes, but I mean with him moving in, with Sarah's help and telling Dan this is no longer his full time home. Imagine Dan's brain exploding as Sarah tells him that Lester is sharing the room and bed with her now. That is what I mean is Lester would want.

Hmm, That is an interesting role reversal from when they met first! Though I don't think Sarah would be that blunt with Dan (yet) she might try to convince him it's part of his Operation No More Lester*, you know the classic 'keep your enemy closer' move and all that loud,earth shattering sex they have been having while he is going through Lester's boxes in the basement is part of a grant scheme (Would be funnier if Dan himself came up with this idea). She might even ask him suggestions on how to seduce him better and what kinks might help her break him (roleplay?! freeuse?!). Their dance started with Lester sex-plotting against the couple, now it's the other way. I like it!

There is that question of kids though. Don really wrote himself in the corner with that. He could've gone nuts with Lester transforming Dan's house into his image. That's why I was leaning towards a new place ( this story could use a change in geography).

*I just realized the abbreviation is LMNO reversed!

 

[Oresttitos]

There is that question of kids though. Don really wrote himself in the corner with that.

Children are not exactly a problem, they are deliberately added NPC DS. Children are, by and large, the anchor that still holds Sarah and Dan together. Let's imagine that there are no children, then there is no reason not to let Sarah off the hook and start a full break with Lester, get pregnant by him, start living with him on a permanent basis, leave Dan.
This is exactly what happens to Dan when he sees the loss of control over his marriage, the disdain/dislike from his wife does nothing to keep him from divorcing and moving on with his life.
On the other hand, if Dan accepts Sarah's behavior, it turns into a banal cuckold story.

 

[adamblack144]

Hmm, That is an interesting role reversal from when they met first! Though I don't think Sarah would be that blunt with Dan (yet) she might try to convince him it's part of his Operation No More Lester*, you know the classic 'keep your enemy closer' move and all that loud,earth shattering sex they have been having while he is going through Lester's boxes in the basement is part of a grant scheme (Would be funnier if Dan himself came up with this idea). She might even ask him suggestions on how to seduce him better and what kinks might help her break him (roleplay?! freeuse?!). Their dance started with Lester sex-plotting against the couple, now it's the other way. I like it!

There is that question of kids though. Don really wrote himself in the corner with that. He could've gone nuts with Lester transforming Dan's house into his image. That's why I was leaning towards a new place ( this story could use a change in geography).

*I just realized the abbreviation is LMNO reversed!

I like this. Sarah's motivated reasoning has her convince Dan they should let Lester move in so they can finally beat him and uncover his secrets and expose him. But what she's thinking is I love Lester and want more time with him. Slowly she falls in love and their relationship takes over her marriage. She begins to side with Lester and help him defeat Dan

 

[Ndbaelor]

I like this. Sarah's motivated reasoning has her convince Dan they should let Lester move in so they can finally beat him and uncover his secrets and expose him. But what she's thinking is I love Lester and want more time with him. Slowly she falls in love and their relationship takes over her marriage. She begins to side with Lester and help him defeat Dan

I'm curious how Don's gonna write the kids off the table, atleast for a small period of time. May be it's summer vacation so she gets to send them to her parent's house (I dunno what month it is, canonically). Or better, send them to Chicago to spend time with Dan. She might reason that the kids need to spend more time with their father anyways and think Lester won't hurt him when he's with children (they don't know the extent of his cruelty). It's another distraction for Dan and could push back leading to another potential splinter between him and Sarah. One way to make Sarah feel less guilty about her children is to make her believe Dan doesn't love them as she does.

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

Children are not exactly a problem, they are deliberately added NPC DS. Children are, by and large, the anchor that still holds Sarah and Dan together. Let's imagine that there are no children, then there is no reason not to let Sarah off the hook and start a full break with Lester, get pregnant by him, start living with him on a permanent basis, leave Dan.
This is exactly what happens to Dan when he sees the loss of control over his marriage, the disdain/dislike from his wife does nothing to keep him from divorcing and moving on with his life.
On the other hand, if Dan accepts Sarah's behavior, it turns into a banal cuckold story.

For me, it would be that Lester would live their in the Troll's Cave and the door would be locked when he daughters are home with Lester hanging out until he can fuck Sarah. He really wants the bedroom, and to me, eventually Sarah would cave but sneaking and then closed and locked doors, so children cannot discover them. Foolproof, no. However, this is porn.

 

[Ndbaelor]

All this talk about Middleton home reminds me of a rather far-fetched thought I had while reading first 10 chapters: that Lester will somehow trick Jesse into going to Dan's house after he was fired, creating sort of a home invasion situation, and offer to install better security at his house( you know what his definition of better security is gonna be!). I thought that was going to be his way into their household. The story obviously took a different turn!

Now, if Lester is moving to their house, he will definitely install multiple cameras and mics all over the house (set up a localized security and mini command center in the basement with nobody else getting access). We also know Dan is planning to do a version of this. How is it going to play out- will Lester find Dan's cameras while planting his? will he install them first and catch Dan clumsily setting his gear up? Or will he somehow miss all of Dan's cameras because he underestimates him? He could use this opportunity to convince Sarah to set up a camera in her bedroom and record their lovemaking or livestream it to Dan, slowly getting her used to his idea of voyeurism.

 

[Verisimilinude]

I'm curious how Don's gonna write the kids off the table, atleast for a small period of time. May be it's summer vacation so she gets to send them to her parent's house (I dunno what month it is, canonically). Or better, send them to Chicago to spend time with Dan. She might reason that the kids need to spend more time with their father anyways and think Lester won't hurt him when he's with children (they don't know the extent of his cruelty). It's another distraction for Dan and could push back leading to another potential splinter between him and Sarah. One way to make Sarah feel less guilty about her children is to make her believe Dan doesn't love them as she does.

Yeah I don't think that's going to happen. Nothing has indicated that Sarah would abandon her daughters, she would have to sink to all time low level of depravity for that to occur. Yes, not a lot has been written about them, but we did just get the recent scene of her showing them love and affection. Not even Lester's swiss army knife ability to solve problems would come between the bond of a "loving" mother and her kids, or subvert her love for them.

However you've offered some alternatives that get them out of the picture which I think are good options. Summer camp, extended visits with the grand's, etc. The more logical solution, imo, is the lodger suggestion I made previously. He's in the house for a "legitimate" reason, it can be explained to the kids so that they accept Lester's presence without too much fuss, and allows him access to Sarah. This would fit into Lester's plans perfectly - he becomes normalized to the family unit and would help him replace Dan in their eyes. Just another dagger for Dan.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Yes, but I mean with him moving in, with Sarah's help and telling Dan this is no longer his full time home. Imagine Dan's brain exploding as Sarah tells him that Lester is sharing the room and bed with her now. That is what I mean is Lester would want.

I got you. I think we are saying the same thing just differently.

 

[Ndbaelor]

Yeah I don't think that's going to happen. Nothing has indicated that Sarah would abandon her daughters, she would have to sink to all time low level of depravity for that to occur. Yes, not a lot has been written about them, but we did just get the recent scene of her showing them love and affection. Not even Lester's swiss army knife ability to solve problems would come between the bond of a "loving" mother and her kids, or subvert her love for them

Agreed. By taking them off table I meant temporarily BTW. I didn't think to specify as I thought the temperory solutions I offered will make it obvious. Don especially went out of his way to establish Sarah's love for her kids so I don't think that will change a lot. I do think we agree on Lest and Sarah needing to spend more time together, alone. Lot of potential there.

When I share my ideas and theories i tend to prefer what makes me tickle,dramatically and erotically , over what I think will happen based on don has written. So most of my posts tend to be light on logic- storywisewise or realitywise. I would consider most of them as fan fiction. Right now them doing it with kids in the house does not sit well with me. I would rather see them only on inner monologues and dialogues.

 

[Ndbaelor]

Idea for DS: have another bathtub scene but instead make it Sarah washing Lester. You can do this after a sex session instead of immediately falling asleep.

When I read this I immediately thought of Lester getting into a medical emergency (or faking one) while having sex with Sarah and plays the sympathy card to stay in her house and making her take care of him in more than one way (she feels guilty as she thinks it's partly her fault and able to convince her family that she is just looking after a good friend). It does stop the hospital track to a screeching halt so I don't see this happening

 

[Chillie_Willie]

Yeah I don't think that's going to happen. Nothing has indicated that Sarah would abandon her daughters, she would have to sink to all time low level of depravity for that to occur. Yes, not a lot has been written about them, but we did just get the recent scene of her showing them love and affection. Not even Lester's swiss army knife ability to solve problems would come between the bond of a "loving" mother and her kids, or subvert her love for them.

However you've offered some alternatives that get them out of the picture which I think are good options. Summer camp, extended visits with the grand's, etc. The more logical solution, imo, is the lodger suggestion I made previously. He's in the house for a "legitimate" reason, it can be explained to the kids so that they accept Lester's presence without too much fuss, and allows him access to Sarah. This would fit into Lester's plans perfectly - he becomes normalized to the family unit and would help him replace Dan in their eyes. Just another dagger for Dan.

II wonder when Sarah’s daughter will ask her mom about the stranger upstairs? How will Sarah respond or will she be curious to wonder why Lester was upstairs that night?

It will be an interesting obstacle in Sarah and Lester’s relationship by using the kids as potential foils. Especially since Don loves giving minor character their own subplot. Lester can test to see if his manipulation skills are up to the task around the most innocent of sensing stranger danger. His goal should be to win over the girls rather than treat them as adversaries. Lester and the girls could share a common interest or he could help them solve a difficult problem so becoming their hero. Sarah will be impressed with Lester. As he become a normal part of the family Lester can push boundaries with Sarah openly. His flirtations and intimate touches will eventually lead to Sarah and Lester having sex in their bedroom and the possibility of being discovered. All good things for Lester who is beating Dan now at his own home

 

[adamblack144]

Btw, does anyone have a theory for why DS decided to skip the night at the hotel completely and go to the morning after? Chapter 24 was hyping this up and then it happened entirely in the background.

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

All this talk about Middleton home reminds me of a rather far-fetched thought I had while reading first 10 chapters: that Lester will somehow trick Jesse into going to Dan's house after he was fired, creating sort of a home invasion situation, and offer to install better security at his house( you know what his definition of better security is gonna be!). I thought that was going to be his way into their household. The story obviously took a different turn!

Now, if Lester is moving to their house, he will definitely install multiple cameras and mics all over the house (set up a localized security and mini command center in the basement with nobody else getting access). We also know Dan is planning to do a version of this. How is it going to play out- will Lester find Dan's cameras while planting his? will he install them first and catch Dan clumsily setting his gear up? Or will he somehow miss all of Dan's cameras because he underestimates him? He could use this opportunity to convince Sarah to set up a camera in her bedroom and record their lovemaking or livestream it to Dan, slowly getting her used to his idea of voyeurism.

Or convince Sarah that Dan doesn't trust her because he's setting up cameras everywhere and not telling her he's doing it. I just picture Lester changing the locks that Dan changed, after that argument, and Sarah just watches him do it...who knows, maybe it turns her on.

 

[Oresttitos]

Or convince Sarah that Dan doesn't trust her because he's setting up cameras everywhere and not telling her he's doing it. I just picture Lester changing the locks that Dan changed, after that argument, and Sarah just watches him do it...who knows, maybe it turns her on.

It would be great to give everyone what they want.
Lester to install cameras and give Dan access to them so that he can satisfy his voyeuristic desires, but until he and Sarah create a full-fledged family. Lester to move in with Sarah to create a happy family. The only thing is that Sarah must influence Lester regarding hygiene and pay attention to healthy eating and the gym. The children will be happy to have such a caring father as Lester who will always be there and can open up the wonderful world of computer games to them, unlike Dan, whose love for children consists only in the words "I miss the twins and that's all". This will be the same happy ending of the story that DS promised. I love happy endings of stories when each character gets what he wants.
Dan is a weak-willed loser who has repeatedly described DS, he will not be able to give his children a normal upbringing, which Sarah understands on a subconscious level as a mother. As a woman who loves her children, which is also described a lot by the author, the obvious choice is Lester, who will be able to provide security, care, and, most importantly, financial stability, and it doesn't matter what methods he uses, the main result is. The question of love here is worthless because this is America, in which love has been replaced by the meaning "Nothing personal, it's just business", that is, money in this country will always take priority over love.

 

[Verisimilinude]

When I share my ideas and theories i tend to prefer what makes me tickle, dramatically and erotically , over what I think will happen based on don has written. So most of my posts tend to be light on logic- storywisewise or realitywise. I would consider most of them as fan fiction.

When put this way I realize I owe you, and likely others an apology, for imposing my point of view on you. You're right I do tend to be objective and view things only on how likely they are to occur vs what you or other's would like to have happen. Thank you for helping me see my error and I'll try my best to rein that in moving forward.