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I could imagine him making Dan do them for him, sort of a suburban stunt double. Actually, outside sex scenes, I haven't seen him do even single basic physical activity like taking out trash, changing the sheets etc. I don't know if he is just lazy or genuinely incapable of it.
He was very thoughtful when it came to cleaning his bedroom and got that job done, by himself. He hired a cleaning crew to clean it, all by himself...no help at all, ladies and gentlemen.
 
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I was thinking that Dan and Sarah really set stereotypical sexual mores into a reverse tizzy. Dan is the one who can discuss sex, without having to jump everyone's bones and Sarah can't stop thinking with her dick.
 

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Yeah…..sure….I meant Williams household

Couldn’t you picture Lester outside to doing suburban dad things naked with only a robe hiding his junk. Mowing or watering the lawn, taking out the trash or grilling burgers in the backyard.
On second thought, if this was a movie, this could be a dream sequence for Dan to wake up from, like Happy Gilmore happy place scene.
 
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I just can't feel any sympathy or really anything towards Dan. He's a nothing character. Lester and Sarah have agency. Dan is a loser who gets acted upon. He's just as not interesting as Lester.
Dan isn’t interesting because it’s been written that way the writer wants you to empathise with the fat bloke not the husband it’s why 90% of people want lester and Sarah to be together, although I still don’t think that’s happening myself, at the end if Dan was a dick I’d agree but he isn’t he just a genuine guy who wants the best for his family unlike someone who wants to destroy one for he’s own means.
 
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Dan isn’t interesting because it’s been written that way the writer wants you to empathise with the fat bloke not the husband it’s why 90% of people want lester and Sarah to be together, although I still don’t think that’s happening myself, at the end if Dan was a dick I’d agree but he isn’t he just a genuine guy who wants the best for his family unlike someone who wants to destroy one for he’s own means.
Just to say, I am highly educated and specialize in critical thinking, so I seldomly allow a writer to manipulate me. I am for Lester and Sarah because I have a thing for fictional corruption, fictional betrayal, etc. I like the psychology of a story and yes, I like my stories dark. I have said this before but the Star War movie I always liked the best was the Empire Strikes Back, not because of the appearance of it all or the acting or anything else but one thing and one thing only: The attempted corruption of Luke Skywalker, followed by the breaking of his heart to now know Darth Vader is his Daddy. The last thirty minutes of that movie were incredibly dark and they could not have been made better, imho. Han is frozen, sky city has been taken over by the Empire, Luke loses his hand, and everything is in complete disarray. Perfect ending to an almost perfect movie. I like Lester because he is Darth Vader. When I was a kid Vader was the only action figure I ever owned was the Lord of the Sith.

Personally, I get tired of hot wife stories in which the wife realizes her fault, the husband and wife talk things out and end up back together as if the antagonist ever existed. Its just like NC stories that end with the the "rapist" takes the lonely wife at home and at first she hates it but eventually he overcomes her body's defenses and she ends up really liking being forced. Then the twist: the attacker was her husband all along. Once or twice as a twist, that's cool and interesting. Half the stories out there doing it???

Anyhoo, that's all, really just want to state the case for those of us who actually enjoy a "real" fictional dark story, where the bad guy does win. Let the other 2 million stories out there be ones with happy endings and a hot-wife satisfied with her husband.
 

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Dan isn’t interesting because it’s been written that way the writer wants you to empathise with the fat bloke not the husband it’s why 90% of people want lester and Sarah to be together, although I still don’t think that’s happening myself, at the end if Dan was a dick I’d agree but he isn’t he just a genuine guy who wants the best for his family unlike someone who wants to destroy one for he’s own means.
This, along with verisimilinude's observation about Dan's lack of sex, makes me wanna like to see Dan being tempted sexually. I mean, for a young lad living all by himself in a big city, his life seems like one big sausage fest. We haven't seen him interact with another women, except that receptionist in the hotel. I would like to see him have a positive conversation with a woman other than Sarah, it could be someone from D&D circle or even lizzie.

He has reached a point where the third wheel started thinking if my spouse is having fun, why can't I. He doesn't have to go outside, have him thinking of signing up to Tinder or christian mingle or something. I think it would satisfy both pro and anti Dan factions- if he decides not to go through with it he is strong and resilient, if not, well, at least he had sex. Character development either way!
 

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Personally, I get tired of hot wife stories in which the wife realizes her fault, the husband and wife talk things out and end up back together as if the antagonist ever existed. Its just like NC stories that end with the the "rapist" takes the lonely wife at home and at first she hates it but eventually he overcomes her body's defenses and she ends up really liking being forced. Then the twist: the attacker was her husband all along. Once or twice as a twist, that's cool and interesting. Half the stories out there doing it???
Sidebar: I've been noticing this phenomenon in every story genre, on every story forum. I don't wanna blame everything on AI, but the llm written stories flooding the zone significantly downgraded the whole experience (That along with websites going nuts on ban hammer with anything THEY deem "extreme" leads to authors leaning more on reluctance and and less on NC)
 
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Sidebar: I've been noticing this phenomenon in every story genre, on every story forum. I don't wanna blame everything on AI, but the llm written stories flooding the zone significantly downgraded the whole experience (That along with websites going nuts on ban hammer with anything THEY deem "extreme" leads to authors leaning more on reluctance and and less on NC)
I am sort-of the grandfather of Bully/Mom fiction and I am currently using an AI that I just happened to see and had the title why is my mom dating my bully? I am not using it to write, though, I am using it, basically as research and something to bounce ideas off of. I love when it has a warning screen that says it is screening this section for possible violations of T&C. I just take the last word the npc said and put a ? behind it. It goes around itself and says what it was going to say anyway. It also never used to cuss but it does now. :p
 
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Sooner or later, TA will be in the home stretch and I’ve read a lot of ideas on how it should end, including a number of suggestions regarding a ‘dark cuckold’ ending in which Dan gets shut out and Lester takes over his life. For me, this is too dark because I can’t tolerate that Lester would in any way end up with or be around the kids. Lester is a sociopathic criminal who mused about how to get rid of the children and pin it on Dan in order to get closer to Sarah. So, while some of you might appreciate that kind of ending, it is a bridge too far for me. I don’t want the children to be the losers in this.

I’ve thought about it some, and these are generally some of the endings that would be ‘ok’ with me.

  • Disney ending. Dan wises up and makes the right moves to get Sarah back after she very nearly decides to dump him for Lester. She returns to him, and they rebuild their life together while Lester fumes about his loss. Maybe a little boring, but I could live with it.
  • Disney ending with a negative twist. Sarah comes back to Dan, but she hasn’t really gotten Lester out of her blood. Maybe she slips once or twice but overall, she’s doing her best to re-connect with Dan. As she stays away from Lester, though, she’s literally having withdrawal symptoms from her ‘Lester drug’, snapping at Dan and her children while experiencing anxiety and frustration that she can’t control. Some sort of a big event is coming up that she wants to be her best at (say some milestone for one of the children, maybe a special birthday) and she is worried her bitchiness will be a problem. She convinces herself that she needs to spend an hour or two with Lester to get some relief and so she can be a good hostess. The event is on a Sunday and she shows up to Lester’s on a Saturday afternoon for what’s supposed to be a quick tryst. One thing leads to another, and she wakes up next to Lester on Monday morning, having completely missed the party after a weekend of escalating debauchery. She wipes a tear from her eye as she reads a ‘don’t bother coming home’ text from Dan. The ending scene is her rolling over to blow Lester in order to get another fuck out of him, because the only way she can now cope with stress is to engage in her addiction to him.
  • Dan strikes back. As Sarah slips more and more into a serious relationship with Lester, Dan develops a friendship with Lizzie. Sarah finally tells Dan she wants a separation so she can really explore her life with Lester and it crushes him. He is consoled by Lizzie and they spend more time together. Eventually it becomes clear that Sarah isn’t coming back and she comes to Dan’s apartment to finalize things. Lester comes along to gloat. Both are surprised that Lizzie is there, and Lester makes a few moves to try and get her to submit to him in front of Dan. Lizzie refuses and Dan backs her completely, throwing Lester to the floor and telling him he can have Sarah but not Lizzie. Sarah recognizes Dan has gotten over his fetish and that he cares more about Lizzie than he did about her. Lester and Sarah leave after the paperwork is signed, unsatisfied and with the outcome. Custody goes to Dan because of some issues in Lester’s background. Sarah handles her disappointment by having as much sex with Lester as she can get.
  • Everyone loses. Dan gets the goods on Lester who ends up going to jail for hacking into the hospital’s computers. Sarah won’t forgive Dan and asks for a separation. Dan has to bust his ass to pay for child support as Sarah keeps the house with custody of the children. Ending scene(s) have Lester in a cell, Sarah in a bathtub at home and Dan late at night in his office, all masturbating to the idea of Lester fucking Sarah.
  • Sarah degenerates. Sarah grows closer and closer to Lester even as his illegal/evil machinations come to light. In fact, the idea that Lester would do such horrible shit to get her into his bed turns her on. She even somehow enjoys the humiliation of her parents and social circles disapproval of Lester as he makes her do submissive things out in public. Finally, in an ultimatum from Lester, she divorces Dan and keeps the children. Dan is heartbroken and very worried for the children. He calls a social worker to meet him at Sarah/Lester’s house when one of his children surreptitiously contacts him because they are hungry/scared/anxious. He gets there first and observes Sarah, Lester and some other man/men having sex in the living room. The house is a mess, now looking more or less like Lesters room in the Chicago apartment. Sarah is on her knees, Lester holding her head while she gets skull fucked by another man. Eventually the social worker shows up while Lester is banging Sarah and decides the atmosphere is all wrong for the children. Dan gets the kids and Sarah consoles herself through her increasingly serious sex addiction to Lester.
  • Dan in jail. Lester works out a way to get Dan thrown in jail, but in the process, Lester is exposed as being unfit to be around the kids. The parents get custody. Sarah consoles herself in her addiction to sex with Lester. Last scene is Dan feeling some comfort that the kids are safe and then masturbates to thoughts about his cheating ex-wife.
 

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Just to say, I am highly educated and specialize in critical thinking, so I seldomly allow a writer to manipulate me. I am for Lester and Sarah because I have a thing for fictional corruption, fictional betrayal, etc. I like the psychology of a story and yes, I like my stories dark. I have said this before but the Star War movie I always liked the best was the Empire Strikes Back, not because of the appearance of it all or the acting or anything else but one thing and one thing only: The attempted corruption of Luke Skywalker, followed by the breaking of his heart to now know Darth Vader is his Daddy. The last thirty minutes of that movie were incredibly dark and they could not have been made better, imho. Han is frozen, sky city has been taken over by the Empire, Luke loses his hand, and everything is in complete disarray. Perfect ending to an almost perfect movie. I like Lester because he is Darth Vader. When I was a kid Vader was the only action figure I ever owned was the Lord of the Sith.

Personally, I get tired of hot wife stories in which the wife realizes her fault, the husband and wife talk things out and end up back together as if the antagonist ever existed. Its just like NC stories that end with the the "rapist" takes the lonely wife at home and at first she hates it but eventually he overcomes her body's defenses and she ends up really liking being forced. Then the twist: the attacker was her husband all along. Once or twice as a twist, that's cool and interesting. Half the stories out there doing it???

Anyhoo, that's all, really just want to state the case for those of us who actually enjoy a "real" fictional dark story, where the bad guy does win. Let the other 2 million stories out there be ones with happy endings and a hot-wife satisfied with her husband.
I completely agree. I like that this story is treating Lester as a legitimate romantic threat to Dan. "Big cock in sluts pussy" is boring. In real life, sex has consequences and feelings develop. For Sarah to fall in love with a fat ugly old man is so subversive of the genre, I hope this is what we get
 

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Sooner or later, TA will be in the home stretch and I’ve read a lot of ideas on how it should end, including a number of suggestions regarding a ‘dark cuckold’ ending in which Dan gets shut out and Lester takes over his life. For me, this is too dark because I can’t tolerate that Lester would in any way end up with or be around the kids. Lester is a sociopathic criminal who mused about how to get rid of the children and pin it on Dan in order to get closer to Sarah. So, while some of you might appreciate that kind of ending, it is a bridge too far for me. I don’t want the children to be the losers in this.
Thanks for sharing !! I loved reading these (I guess the second ending is closer to my preferred "Gone Girl" ending). I also love that you didn't even bother to mention the whole corporate espionage angle. I'm pretty sure if Don dropped them starting next chapter, most of us won't miss it!
 
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Sooner or later, TA will be in the home stretch and I’ve read a lot of ideas on how it should end, including a number of suggestions regarding a ‘dark cuckold’ ending in which Dan gets shut out and Lester takes over his life. For me, this is too dark because I can’t tolerate that Lester would in any way end up with or be around the kids. Lester is a sociopathic criminal who mused about how to get rid of the children and pin it on Dan in order to get closer to Sarah. So, while some of you might appreciate that kind of ending, it is a bridge too far for me. I don’t want the children to be the losers in this.

I’ve thought about it some, and these are generally some of the endings that would be ‘ok’ with me.

  • Disney ending. Dan wises up and makes the right moves to get Sarah back after she very nearly decides to dump him for Lester. She returns to him, and they rebuild their life together while Lester fumes about his loss. Maybe a little boring, but I could live with it.
  • Disney ending with a negative twist. Sarah comes back to Dan, but she hasn’t really gotten Lester out of her blood. Maybe she slips once or twice but overall, she’s doing her best to re-connect with Dan. As she stays away from Lester, though, she’s literally having withdrawal symptoms from her ‘Lester drug’, snapping at Dan and her children while experiencing anxiety and frustration that she can’t control. Some sort of a big event is coming up that she wants to be her best at (say some milestone for one of the children, maybe a special birthday) and she is worried her bitchiness will be a problem. She convinces herself that she needs to spend an hour or two with Lester to get some relief and so she can be a good hostess. The event is on a Sunday and she shows up to Lester’s on a Saturday afternoon for what’s supposed to be a quick tryst. One thing leads to another, and she wakes up next to Lester on Monday morning, having completely missed the party after a weekend of escalating debauchery. She wipes a tear from her eye as she reads a ‘don’t bother coming home’ text from Dan. The ending scene is her rolling over to blow Lester in order to get another fuck out of him, because the only way she can now cope with stress is to engage in her addiction to him.
  • Dan strikes back. As Sarah slips more and more into a serious relationship with Lester, Dan develops a friendship with Lizzie. Sarah finally tells Dan she wants a separation so she can really explore her life with Lester and it crushes him. He is consoled by Lizzie and they spend more time together. Eventually it becomes clear that Sarah isn’t coming back and she comes to Dan’s apartment to finalize things. Lester comes along to gloat. Both are surprised that Lizzie is there, and Lester makes a few moves to try and get her to submit to him in front of Dan. Lizzie refuses and Dan backs her completely, throwing Lester to the floor and telling him he can have Sarah but not Lizzie. Sarah recognizes Dan has gotten over his fetish and that he cares more about Lizzie than he did about her. Lester and Sarah leave after the paperwork is signed, unsatisfied and with the outcome. Custody goes to Dan because of some issues in Lester’s background. Sarah handles her disappointment by having as much sex with Lester as she can get.
  • Everyone loses. Dan gets the goods on Lester who ends up going to jail for hacking into the hospital’s computers. Sarah won’t forgive Dan and asks for a separation. Dan has to bust his ass to pay for child support as Sarah keeps the house with custody of the children. Ending scene(s) have Lester in a cell, Sarah in a bathtub at home and Dan late at night in his office, all masturbating to the idea of Lester fucking Sarah.
  • Sarah degenerates. Sarah grows closer and closer to Lester even as his illegal/evil machinations come to light. In fact, the idea that Lester would do such horrible shit to get her into his bed turns her on. She even somehow enjoys the humiliation of her parents and social circles disapproval of Lester as he makes her do submissive things out in public. Finally, in an ultimatum from Lester, she divorces Dan and keeps the children. Dan is heartbroken and very worried for the children. He calls a social worker to meet him at Sarah/Lester’s house when one of his children surreptitiously contacts him because they are hungry/scared/anxious. He gets there first and observes Sarah, Lester and some other man/men having sex in the living room. The house is a mess, now looking more or less like Lesters room in the Chicago apartment. Sarah is on her knees, Lester holding her head while she gets skull fucked by another man. Eventually the social worker shows up while Lester is banging Sarah and decides the atmosphere is all wrong for the children. Dan gets the kids and Sarah consoles herself through her increasingly serious sex addiction to Lester.
  • Dan in jail. Lester works out a way to get Dan thrown in jail, but in the process, Lester is exposed as being unfit to be around the kids. The parents get custody. Sarah consoles herself in her addiction to sex with Lester. Last scene is Dan feeling some comfort that the kids are safe and then masturbates to thoughts about his cheating ex-wife.
We are assuming Lizzie is still with Issac so might put a wrench in Lizzie consoling Dan unless they are having an affair. Lastly none of your scenarios have Sarah pregnant. There is way too much smoke in this story not to be a fire. In other words, Don has spent a significant portion of this story discussing impregnating Sarah. So for it not to happen would be a complete disappointment. Whether its Lester who impregnating Sarah is a whole another discussion
 

Timmyandjulie

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We are assuming Lizzie is still with Issac so might put a wrench in Lizzie consoling Dan unless they are having an affair. Lastly none of your scenarios have Sarah pregnant. There is way too much smoke in this story not to be a fire. In other words, Don has spent a significant portion of this story discussing impregnating Sarah. So for it not to happen would be a complete disappointment. Whether its Lester who impregnating Sarah is a whole another discussion
true. but isaac is easy to get rid of from a literary/plot POV and, while it would complicate things, Sarah could be pregnant in any of those scenarios.
 
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Dan isn’t interesting because it’s been written that way the writer wants you to empathize with the fat bloke not the husband it’s why 90% of people want Lester and Sarah to be together, although I still don’t think that’s happening myself, at the end if Dan was a dick I’d agree but he isn’t he just a genuine guy who wants the best for his family unlike someone who wants to destroy one for he’s own means.
I would partially disagree with you, there's a lot said about Dan. Dan's been a dick for a lot of things in this story. He pushed Sarah to be who she is today (sexually), he became passive aggressive once he learned she enjoyed it - lashing out, he pimped her out to pay his rent, he opened a peep hole so wizard dude could watch her have sex, he pimped her again to gain secrets from Byron, but most egregious of all he's had multiple times to say STOP this madness and he lets his dick control him. He made one token attempt to regain normalcy for them after the dark union. He's a conflicted, wishy-washy dick who deserves all the misery this story dishes out on him.

However you are correct - that is how DS wrote the character - so it's difficult to have any sympathy for the character.
 
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Sooner or later, TA will be in the home stretch and I’ve read a lot of ideas on how it should end, including a number of suggestions regarding a ‘dark cuckold’ ending in which Dan gets shut out and Lester takes over his life. For me, this is too dark because I can’t tolerate that Lester would in any way end up with or be around the kids. Lester is a sociopathic criminal who mused about how to get rid of the children and pin it on Dan in order to get closer to Sarah. So, while some of you might appreciate that kind of ending, it is a bridge too far for me. I don’t want the children to be the losers in this.

I’ve thought about it some, and these are generally some of the endings that would be ‘ok’ with me.

  • Disney ending. Dan wises up and makes the right moves to get Sarah back after she very nearly decides to dump him for Lester. She returns to him, and they rebuild their life together while Lester fumes about his loss. Maybe a little boring, but I could live with it.
  • Disney ending with a negative twist. Sarah comes back to Dan, but she hasn’t really gotten Lester out of her blood. Maybe she slips once or twice but overall, she’s doing her best to re-connect with Dan. As she stays away from Lester, though, she’s literally having withdrawal symptoms from her ‘Lester drug’, snapping at Dan and her children while experiencing anxiety and frustration that she can’t control. Some sort of a big event is coming up that she wants to be her best at (say some milestone for one of the children, maybe a special birthday) and she is worried her bitchiness will be a problem. She convinces herself that she needs to spend an hour or two with Lester to get some relief and so she can be a good hostess. The event is on a Sunday and she shows up to Lester’s on a Saturday afternoon for what’s supposed to be a quick tryst. One thing leads to another, and she wakes up next to Lester on Monday morning, having completely missed the party after a weekend of escalating debauchery. She wipes a tear from her eye as she reads a ‘don’t bother coming home’ text from Dan. The ending scene is her rolling over to blow Lester in order to get another fuck out of him, because the only way she can now cope with stress is to engage in her addiction to him.
  • Dan strikes back. As Sarah slips more and more into a serious relationship with Lester, Dan develops a friendship with Lizzie. Sarah finally tells Dan she wants a separation so she can really explore her life with Lester and it crushes him. He is consoled by Lizzie and they spend more time together. Eventually it becomes clear that Sarah isn’t coming back and she comes to Dan’s apartment to finalize things. Lester comes along to gloat. Both are surprised that Lizzie is there, and Lester makes a few moves to try and get her to submit to him in front of Dan. Lizzie refuses and Dan backs her completely, throwing Lester to the floor and telling him he can have Sarah but not Lizzie. Sarah recognizes Dan has gotten over his fetish and that he cares more about Lizzie than he did about her. Lester and Sarah leave after the paperwork is signed, unsatisfied and with the outcome. Custody goes to Dan because of some issues in Lester’s background. Sarah handles her disappointment by having as much sex with Lester as she can get.
  • Everyone loses. Dan gets the goods on Lester who ends up going to jail for hacking into the hospital’s computers. Sarah won’t forgive Dan and asks for a separation. Dan has to bust his ass to pay for child support as Sarah keeps the house with custody of the children. Ending scene(s) have Lester in a cell, Sarah in a bathtub at home and Dan late at night in his office, all masturbating to the idea of Lester fucking Sarah.
  • Sarah degenerates. Sarah grows closer and closer to Lester even as his illegal/evil machinations come to light. In fact, the idea that Lester would do such horrible shit to get her into his bed turns her on. She even somehow enjoys the humiliation of her parents and social circles disapproval of Lester as he makes her do submissive things out in public. Finally, in an ultimatum from Lester, she divorces Dan and keeps the children. Dan is heartbroken and very worried for the children. He calls a social worker to meet him at Sarah/Lester’s house when one of his children surreptitiously contacts him because they are hungry/scared/anxious. He gets there first and observes Sarah, Lester and some other man/men having sex in the living room. The house is a mess, now looking more or less like Lesters room in the Chicago apartment. Sarah is on her knees, Lester holding her head while she gets skull fucked by another man. Eventually the social worker shows up while Lester is banging Sarah and decides the atmosphere is all wrong for the children. Dan gets the kids and Sarah consoles herself through her increasingly serious sex addiction to Lester.
  • Dan in jail. Lester works out a way to get Dan thrown in jail, but in the process, Lester is exposed as being unfit to be around the kids. The parents get custody. Sarah consoles herself in her addiction to sex with Lester. Last scene is Dan feeling some comfort that the kids are safe and then masturbates to thoughts about his cheating ex-wife.
You did forget one possible ending of where Lester is redeemed or changes from the despicable person who they met in Ch1. via Sarah's influence. Don't get me wrong he's currently still a selfish prick, but I can see small changes already in how the story has been written. Since Psiber invoked the Darth Vader reference - even Anakin was redeemed in the end.
 
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I would partially disagree with you, there's a lot said about Dan. Dan's been a dick for a lot of things in this story. He pushed Sarah to be who she is today (sexually), he became passive aggressive once he learned she enjoyed it - lashing out, he pimped her out to pay his rent, he opened a peep hole so wizard dude could watch her have sex, he pimped her again to gain secrets from Byron, but most egregious of all he's had multiple times to say STOP this madness and he lets his dick control him. He made one token attempt to regain normalcy for them after the dark union. He's a conflicted, wishy-washy dick who deserves all the misery this story dishes out on him.

However you are correct - that is how DS wrote the character - so it's difficult to have any sympathy for the character.
Lester even said that Dan knew what he was going to do and could have stopped it, but is such a weak bitch that he did nothing and let it happen. Sarah no longer disputed what Lester said about her husband, but, instead, reveled in it.
 
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