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[DarkStutzel]

Sarah is already won over. You earned 250,000 in this hospital job... Lester took what he needed, the family's financial responsibility. He provides the family with the security they need and has the tools Sarah needs. The Sentinel woman earns more than Dan, she doesn't need this financial security; it's more solid. I wish they'd give the series more reality (Sarah is the queen of size - genetics. Pop star Lena, when filming with Jason, reported needing four days to recover). Lester could cheat on Sarah and make her unintentionally sign documents agreeing to give the girls to Dan in the divorce. Dan, along with the Sentinel woman, could steal Lester's cryptocurrency. Lester could have a heart attack after getting Renee and Sarah pregnant and find himself penniless.

 

[bluepixiegurl316]

I do think you'll have to wait on this for a bit. It reads as if this is going to be the new corruption goal of the series; Sarah accepting Lester as a person, not a sex toy (paired with Sarah accepting she wants to have Lester's progeny). In order for that to happen, Lester will have to convert Renee. Once Sarah's parents accept him "publicly" then it will be easier for Sarah to accept it.

Except he's a slob and if she actually likes him then the trash took itself out and the ntr aspect is sort of moot.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Except he's a slob and if she actually likes him then the trash took itself out and the ntr aspect is sort of moot.

Valid points and I see I didn't articulate well. I meant "accepting Lester as a person, "as well" as a sex toy." Certainly not saying I'm correct, but DS spent a portion of this chapter and chapters leading up to it, telling us how Sarah was beginning to accept him, despite the disgust she should have for his appearance, hygiene, etc.

 

[bluepixiegurl316]

Valid points and I see I didn't articulate well. I meant "accepting Lester as a person, "as well" as a sex toy." Certainly not saying I'm correct, but DS spent a portion of this chapter and chapters leading up to it, telling us how Sarah was beginning to accept him, despite the disgust she should have for his appearance, hygiene, etc.

I understand. Just would be a sad sad character point. Like, you would have to have some crazy trauma or mental disorder to throw your kids away for a slob. Wouldn't make sense for her to just develop it because he's good at fucking. It's why I like ugly bastards with a heart of....silver lol. They can win the woman over and actually not suck. They might even improve as a person and the heartbreak of the MC feels more real. Yeah, he's not a better man...he's a better person, at least for her.

 

[Fokker1917]

No PC, I would simply point out that's what was written.

"Is that...Is that really something you would consider, though?
Something you would actually do?" he asked, matching her seriousness.
That wasn't just banter anymore. It was a real, honest question.
Without hesitation, Sarah answered her husband.
"Dan, I would do anything for you."


Sarah didn't need Dan's permission for anything, she's not his property nor his slave. However I will say that she did owe him her respect and trust, but since it's what he said he wanted and he didn't voice his disapproval, then he got what he asked for.

Property or slave? Yeesh. That logic is crazy. Imagine someones wife saying "I am going to fuck the neighbor. I am not your Property or your slave" Guys, the world is full of women. You don't have to put up with this. You can't share your burdens don't let other usurp your joy.

No PC, I would simply point out that's what was written.

"Is that...Is that really something you would consider, though?
Something you would actually do?" he asked, matching her seriousness.
That wasn't just banter anymore. It was a real, honest question.
Without hesitation, Sarah answered her husband.
"Dan, I would do anything for you."


Sarah didn't need Dan's permission for anything, she's not his property nor his slave. However I will say that she did owe him her respect and trust, but since it's what he said he wanted and he didn't voice his disapproval, then he got what he asked for.

"Property or slave? That’s a wild leap. Imagine your spouse saying, 'I’m going to sleep with the neighbor because I’m not your property or slave.' Gentlemen, the world is full of women. You don’t have to tolerate this kind of behavior. Don’t let someone else’s actions rob you of your joy or burden you with their choices."

 

[DarkStutzel]

I understand. Just would be a sad sad character point. Like, you would have to have some crazy trauma or mental disorder to throw your kids away for a slob. Wouldn't make sense for her to just develop it because he's good at fucking. It's why I like ugly bastards with a heart of....silver lol. They can win the woman over and actually not suck. They might even improve as a person and the heartbreak of the MC feels more real. Yeah, he's not a better man...he's a better person, at least for her.

She's trading him for a slob with a lot of money, and she likes to have a good financial standard. The world is capitalist, she won't leave her children in a shelter, she'll give custody to the father, she'll be able to visit her daughters (weekend mom), and she'll have the financial security to help if needed. Let's see if Lester will work on his appearance a little. I hope there will be fights in the marriage, especially regarding Lester using the children's bed for sex.

 

[Davidsays1]

She's trading him for a slob with a lot of money, and she likes to have a good financial standard. The world is capitalist, she won't leave her children in a shelter, she'll give custody to the father, she'll be able to visit her daughters (weekend mom), and she'll have the financial security to help if needed. Let's see if Lester will work on his appearance a little. I hope there will be fights in the marriage, especially regarding Lester using the children's bed for sex.

Where the story is headed I don't think Sarah or her parents will be allowed to see the kids at all Dan will end up with full custody.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Property or slave? Yeesh. That logic is crazy. Imagine someones wife saying "I am going to fuck the neighbor. I am not your Property or your slave" Guys, the world is full of women. You don't have to put up with this. You can't share your burdens don't let other usurp your joy.

"Property or slave? That’s a wild leap. Imagine your spouse saying, 'I’m going to sleep with the neighbor because I’m not your property or slave.' Gentlemen, the world is full of women. You don’t have to tolerate this kind of behavior. Don’t let someone else’s actions rob you of your joy or burden you with their choices."

Crazy logic and a wild leap, hmmm, that's an interesting viewpoint. I can't speak for you, but I live in a world where every person has a right to agency over their own body and decisions. Being married doesn't change that fact. Marriage isn't about owning your spouse or telling them what is "permissible" or what isn't. It's about sacrifice and compromise, because you have love and respect for one another and a sincere desire to live that life together as equals.

But that's the real world, my discussion was about this particular story. This story started as a loving couple whose husband wanted to dabble in something kinky. Dan asked her to be daring and naughty, Sarah wasn't really into it but she wanted to make him happy. Once Sarah tasted the forbidden fruit and knowing it turned Dan on, made decisions to keep pushing the envelope. And Dan was there every step of the way, he had opportunities to say "I think you've gone too far Sarah. I'd like us to stop" or "I think we should communicate Sarah, this isn't heading in a direction I like" but did he do that? No he sat back and got a chubby watching Sarah fall deeper into his and eventually their shared fantasy. Sure he made half-hearted appeals, and talked around the subject that was bothering him, but he didn't communicate.

On the flip side, Sarah's no saint, she saw the signs even if she didn't want to admit it. She got a taste of great sex and manipulated Dan on a few occasions and omitted things bc deep down she knew it was wrong and that if she told Dan, he might have actually said "I want to stop." However you do have to consider the fact that she's been groomed from the beginning by Lester, psychologically programmed over a long period of time to crave what Lester is dishing out. That doesn't make her actions excusable, but it does provide a basis of why she isn't thinking straight.

If anything this is a cautionary tale of being careful what you wish for because you are going to get burned. Fortunately I don't conflate fiction with my reality, I don't project/insert myself into any of the characters, I read the facts as written and offer my opinions and analysis of the fiction. I only broaden my views when others try to kink shame someone or tell others how they should feel, think or believe. I'm not perfect but I do try to keep my opinions objective.

As to your question my answer would be "don't let the door hit you on the way out."

 

[Verisimilinude]

I understand. Just would be a sad sad character point. Like, you would have to have some crazy trauma or mental disorder to throw your kids away for a slob. Wouldn't make sense for her to just develop it because he's good at fucking. It's why I like ugly bastards with a heart of....silver lol. They can win the woman over and actually not suck. They might even improve as a person and the heartbreak of the MC feels more real. Yeah, he's not a better man...he's a better person, at least for her.

I agree with you and you bring up an excellent point. Up to this stage of the series, all three MC's are flawed and dysfunctional humans. The real breaking point, for me anyway, is exactly that; if Sarah does abandon her daughters -- choose Lester over them, that's a betrayal of the worst kind. I'd have to read what's written for context, but that would probably be a deal breaker for me and this series. She's flawed, she's done some wicked and depraved shit, but a mother betraying her children... that would be an unforgivable in my view.

 

[bluepixiegurl316]

She's trading him for a slob with a lot of money, and she likes to have a good financial standard. The world is capitalist, she won't leave her children in a shelter, she'll give custody to the father, she'll be able to visit her daughters (weekend mom), and she'll have the financial security to help if needed. Let's see if Lester will work on his appearance a little. I hope there will be fights in the marriage, especially regarding Lester using the children's bed for sex.

Trading her kids for money and sex makes even less sense, and again, it shows how she's always been a horrible person which is the trash taking itself out. Not saying it doesn't make sense but the sting of it is far far less.

 

[PShango]

Anyone with undercover Blonde chapter 7? Please upload here..... Thanks,

 

[DarkStutzel]

Trading her kids for money and sex makes even less sense, and again, it shows how she's always been a horrible person which is the trash taking itself out. Not saying it doesn't make sense but the sting of it is far far less.

But I'm not talking about Sarah willingly giving up her daughters. Lester is the one who doesn't want Sarah's children, and Lester is very dirty, so it's very likely he'll do something with the paperwork and deceive Sarah, and when she realizes it, it'll be too late. Dan hasn't installed the cameras he bought yet, he hasn't contacted the people. I hope he installs normal cameras, not online ones. So Lester doesn't have access, Lester also has no reason to suspect there are cameras. And Dan starts to overhear their conversations, some betrayals. I hope they find development in Dan in the next chapters. He doesn't even need to have sex with the Sentinel employee, but this development of finding the other girl Lester said was his girlfriend (I forgot her name). We'll see Lester in the hospital, start having less sex and more plot development.

 

[Fokker1917]

Crazy logic and a wild leap, hmmm, that's an interesting viewpoint. I can't speak for you, but I live in a world where every person has a right to agency over their own body and decisions. Being married doesn't change that fact. Marriage isn't about owning your spouse or telling them what is "permissible" or what isn't. It's about sacrifice and compromise, because you have love and respect for one another and a sincere desire to live that life together as equals.

But that's the real world, my discussion was about this particular story. This story started as a loving couple whose husband wanted to dabble in something kinky. Dan asked her to be daring and naughty, Sarah wasn't really into it but she wanted to make him happy. Once Sarah tasted the forbidden fruit and knowing it turned Dan on, made decisions to keep pushing the envelope. And Dan was there every step of the way, he had opportunities to say "I think you've gone too far Sarah. I'd like us to stop" or "I think we should communicate Sarah, this isn't heading in a direction I like" but did he do that? No he sat back and got a chubby watching Sarah fall deeper into his and eventually their shared fantasy. Sure he made half-hearted appeals, and talked around the subject that was bothering him, but he didn't communicate.

On the flip side, Sarah's no saint, she saw the signs even if she didn't want to admit it. She got a taste of great sex and manipulated Dan on a few occasions and omitted things bc deep down she knew it was wrong and that if she told Dan, he might have actually said "I want to stop." However you do have to consider the fact that she's been groomed from the beginning by Lester, psychologically programmed over a long period of time to crave what Lester is dishing out. That doesn't make her actions excusable, but it does provide a basis of why she isn't thinking straight.

If anything this is a cautionary tale of being careful what you wish for because you are going to get burned. Fortunately I don't conflate fiction with my reality, I don't project/insert myself into any of the characters, I read the facts as written and offer my opinions and analysis of the fiction. I only broaden my views when others try to kink shame someone or tell others how they should feel, think or believe. I'm not perfect but I do try to keep my opinions objective.

As to your question my answer would be "don't let the door hit you on the way out."

I get you. My son ain't my slave or property either but if he was like "dad when I grow up I wanna smoke meth" you know what I mean

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

I do think you'll have to wait on this for a bit. It reads as if this is going to be the new corruption goal of the series; Sarah accepting Lester as a person, not a sex toy (paired with Sarah accepting she wants to have Lester's progeny). In order for that to happen, Lester will have to convert Renee. Once Sarah's parents accept him "publicly" then it will be easier for Sarah to accept it.

I agree with you Veri, but I think that he is more focused on dehumanizing Dan right now. He must (in his mind) get Sarah brainwashed to believe that Dan is only "less than" while allowing her the "pleasure" of knowing true pleasure through him, the "greater than." Actually, I think it may work from here on out to type "<" when talking about Dan and ">" when talking about Lester. Ha! Math Jokes!!

 

[Verisimilinude]

I get you. My son ain't my slave or property either but if he was like "dad when I grow up I wanna smoke meth" you know what I mean

OH absolutely, when you have kids you have a responsibility to protect them, a duty you signed up for when you decided to raise children.

When it comes to two spouses though, it's different. Each of them should have enough care and respect for their spouse and themselves to conduct themselves in a way that demonstrates that respect, however (and I'm making a general observation, not saying you have or share this opinion) the days of a woman, keeping her mouth shut and doing what the husband tells her to, or "seeking his permission" are long buried.

It's sad but marriages don't last like they use to, people fall out of love, or are exposed to something better (or better in their mind) and the temptation to experience something better is there. It's what we have here in TA. Sarah was exposed to better sex, and she was seduced by a confluence of events (some within her control and some external) that allowed her to indulge. Does that make it right, not my place to say, but what I do know is that Dan has no right to dictate what she can and can't do.

He initiated this path they are on and she humored him. He had every right to speak up to voice his concerns but what has he really done: he indulged in his own fantasies, he gave in to his own lust, instead of speaking to her like an adult he threw a temper tantrum when he realized it wasn't just his fantasy anymore, and out of 34 chapters he's only once asked her to stop. But even that was a token request, because after he found out she hadn't stopped, he fell right back into the reluctant cuck mentality.

I have no sympathy for Dan, because he has none for himself. He's not the paragon of upstanding husband material, that a particular member on here likes to claim. At best I feel apathy for him. But that's okay because I know it's purposeful, because that's how DS has written the character. I don't think this story would have worked beyond Sarah mistakenly having sex with Lester in chapter 7. If Dan was a typical male, he would have been furious that Jessie instigated the events and he'd remove Sarah from the source of temptation, pack his bags and find a better path for him and his family. By having Dan weak and basically a doormat, it allows DS to continue writing the story that he wants to tell.

 

[Verisimilinude]

I agree with you Veri, but I think that he is more focused on dehumanizing Dan right now. He must (in his mind) get Sarah brainwashed to believe that Dan is only "less than" while allowing her the "pleasure" of knowing true pleasure through him, the "greater than." Actually, I think it may work from here on out to type "<" when talking about Dan and ">" when talking about Lester. Ha! Math Jokes!!

Yeah I get Lester's plan, but idk it feels off now. I mean when it was part of his attack to take/conquer Sarah, it made sense, but now that he has effectively "won", and I use that term loosely, it just feels like someone beating a dead horse. Small does would have better served in my opinion, and maybe that's what bothered me about 34. Like eating all the butter pecan ice cream you could get your hands on, tasted great in the beginning but at some point you just feel sick.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Where the story is headed I don't think Sarah or her parents will be allowed to see the kids at all Dan will end up with full custody.

Your comment got me to thinking about the ending for this series. We hear DS say it's dark, but none of us knows what DS thinks dark is. So I was speculating about what would be the worst possible outcome for Dan and it dawned on me. IMO it would be that Lester has a health issue and expires, Sarah is devastated, Dan has reconciled and accepted Sarah's past, while packing up Dan's things from the apartment, Sarah finds all of Lester's hard drives. And the ending scene is that she turns down Dan when he wants to have sex and he finds her in his office pleasuring herself while watching her past performances with Lester. That would have to be a serious kick in the nuts. He's gone and yet, Lester still controls her and by proxy Dan, from the grave.

And the sad thing is it's not too far removed from what happened in Tainted Conception (sans all the unearned super spy nonsense).

 

[Davidsays1]

See, with this past chapter I thought I would notice something so I went back a few chapters with Lester saying he was the only Daddy in the house, and Sarah saying it as well, I thought I would notice Sarah stop calling her own dad daddy, but I noticed she's called him just dad plenty of times, I then thought she'd have a reaction when her kids called Dan daddy, but she didn't.
I think it's too late for Dan to get this girl involved all that does is beat the dead horse of Dan telling Sarah, Sarah not believing him, maybe even worst it puts the original girl back in his clutches, and then she can't be saved. However it could kick start Dan actually investigating stuff I mean what happened with Discord? Dead end so he stopped checking.
I know nobody wants her to abandon the kids, but it's felt like that is where the story is heading forever, Lester wants nothing to do with the kids, and has conquered the mother Sarah, sleeping with her in the kids room, making her late to pick the kids up so the parents had to, sleeping with her while the kids are home, so yes I in fact think she would choose Lester over them.
Now with getting the mother involved, I think if he conquers Renee, and things go south I don't think Dan will want the girls around Sarah or Renee so Dan ends up with complete custody.
Lester has a heart attack or gets arrested after everything, or the continued mention of looking like he's having a heart attack is pointless, or the mention of people trying to track him down is pointless.
Or worst yet, they find his PC and stuff, and Sarah says it all belongs to Dan, fully betraying Dan.

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

Yeah I get Lester's plan, but idk it feels off now. I mean when it was part of his attack to take/conquer Sarah, it made sense, but now that he has effectively "won", and I use that term loosely, it just feels like someone beating a dead horse. Small does would have better served in my opinion, and maybe that's what bothered me about 34. Like eating all the butter pecan ice cream you could get your hands on, tasted great in the beginning but at some point you just feel sick.

I don't think he has completely won, though. I think Sarah would still say it was just sex talk, with the exception of telling Lester she loved him, she even had to admit to herself that was more real than not and knew she would have to talk to Dan about it. I believe that Lester knows that Sarah will say it is just sex talk, but he wants for her to believe what she is saying and until he knows she does he will continue...

 

[Psiber@mauvais]

See, with this past chapter I thought I would notice something so I went back a few chapters with Lester saying he was the only Daddy in the house, and Sarah saying it as well, I thought I would notice Sarah stop calling her own dad daddy, but I noticed she's called him just dad plenty of times, I then thought she'd have a reaction when her kids called Dan daddy, but she didn't.
I think it's too late for Dan to get this girl involved all that does is beat the dead horse of Dan telling Sarah, Sarah not believing him, maybe even worst it puts the original girl back in his clutches, and then she can't be saved. However it could kick start Dan actually investigating stuff I mean what happened with Discord? Dead end so he stopped checking.
I know nobody wants her to abandon the kids, but it's felt like that is where the story is heading forever, Lester wants nothing to do with the kids, and has conquered the mother Sarah, sleeping with her in the kids room, making her late to pick the kids up so the parents had to, sleeping with her while the kids are home, so yes I in fact think she would choose Lester over them.
Now with getting the mother involved, I think if he conquers Renee, and things go south I don't think Dan will want the girls around Sarah or Renee so Dan ends up with complete custody.
Lester has a heart attack or gets arrested after everything, or the continued mention of looking like he's having a heart attack is pointless, or the mention of people trying to track him down is pointless.
Or worst yet, they find his PC and stuff, and Sarah says it all belongs to Dan, fully betraying Dan.

I know I can be too dark when I found myself really liking the idea of your last line, hmmmmmmmm...