VN Ren'Py ToxiCity [v0.11.0] [ILSProductions]

[Meiri]

Are we really sure that whatever is at the door in the last scene is a witch?

Don't forget, there is another LI that we have yet to meet.

I don't think so. The way she acts and speaks doesn't seem normal, and she has been outside for a while. There's no way that's a LI unless it's some sort of patient zero who is immune to the fog. But based on her behavior, she doesn't seem unaffected by it.

I think the fourth LI is going to be one of the shooters we've heard before.

 

[Cloveron.]

Have we seen any burned ones with boobs? Now, I'm not trying to perv out here, just curious since I'm wondering if there are multiple Witches, then maybe the fog turns women into them and men into burned ones.

But I haven't gone back to check for burned booba.

 

[Maviarab]

Because he is a civilian. Combat readiness, weapon discipline, situational awareness, threat assessment and engagement criteria are not second nature to civilians.
We get drilled on that so hard in the army specifically to suppress the civilian mindset and habits. We go through conditioning. I can tell you most of my civilian friends are gonna be like the MC. The few that always keep their weapons with them actually have to constantly remind themselves about it. But for me, it's second nature, i don't need to think, my body just does it.

Similarly with the Witch. Our MC is not trained. So better to play safe.
To be honest, if i was in his shoes, i would do the same. It's not like i have a squad of well trained and equipped men to back me up. I have 3 pax women incapable of combat LOL. One has a mental break, another just recovered from a mental break, the last one is timid & panicky.
Observing and analyzing is preferred so i can formulate an engagement or evasion plan later. Her threat level? Does she have abilities? Patterns? Vulnerabilities? The impact, better to kill or avoid? You don't attack without intel and preparation, that's how you get your squad killed. The objective is survival, not annihilation.
And then you need a plan, what do i do if Witch calls for reinforcements? Do i have an extraction plan? You need a PACE plan; Primary, Alternative, Contingency, Emergency. It's high level planning and going overboard, yes, but at the very least you need some concept of SOP(Standard Operating Procedure) or TTP(Tactics, Techniques, Procedures). And your squad needs to know these too instead of sleeping through their mental breaks. Hell, they don't even have a guard watch set up, everyone just sleeps together and they're in a combat zone.

MC doesn't really have an advantage here. Minimal intel, no plan, no SOP, poorly equipped, mentally unfit, no manpower. The only advantage he has is initiative, which is not enough.
Odds are stacked against him. Engagement in that situation is likely suicide.

No one cares about SOPA, RSPV, TTP...or any other damn acronym you know.

There's this thing called basic self-preservation and caution. Something everyone, unless you're a dumb moron in a crappy Hollywood horror film posesses. Something nearly all characters from ILS's VN's seriously lack. Now & Then was even worse. Dumb people, doing dumb things in order to progress a plot.

You do not need military training to use basic common sense as an adult.

There's always one...

 

[Vortex@]

Good update . Starting talks for the hopefully possible harem

 

[Penis Lord]

I really love how well-developed Kallie is throughout the game, from a girl who's struggle with a lot of shit happened around her out of the blue, to a girl who doesn't run away when she sees danger. And afterward, doesn't forget to keep her mewing streak .

 

[ppbeater]

great update but damn if we didnt get a 2nd cliffhanger as to wtf the "witch" variant is, or what happened to whoever was in the building

 

[Maviarab]

or what happened to whoever was in the building

They let her in...

 

[Raziel_8]

I really love how well-developed Kallie is throughout the game, from a girl who's struggle with a lot of shit happened around her out of the blue, to a girl who doesn't run away when she sees danger. And afterward, doesn't forget to keep her mewing streak .

Yes, quite easily the best girl. Also nice that she is the only one which is actually seeing the MC's problems, be it the aftermath the divorce he's struggeling with or him trying to be the one shuldering all...and she is even trying to actually help him with his problems like in this ep.
And than there is the other 2...well, Shelley got a demotion...not even a cocksleeve anymore
Thought the MC has some really strange hangups about privacy (which just don't make much sense to me in a live and death struggle)...like telling about Shelley's meds this ep...he still is debating it and thinks about lying about it, even if the girl has a mental breakdown and is a risk to herself and the whole group...a nice touch is that Kallie is straight up telling what's the problem when the MC tries to lie.

 

[kibaris]

Have we seen any burned ones with boobs? Now, I'm not trying to perv out here, just curious since I'm wondering if there are multiple Witches, then maybe the fog turns women into them and men into burned ones.

But I haven't gone back to check for burned booba.

Not realy burned ones, but we've seen another woman infected in the fog and she wasnt looking like that.

On the other hand, the one we can see at the end of the two previous update, mc already cross path with her multiples times , and she didnt attack him or anything, so maybe she isnt hostile and could be their way out of this eventualy, because with the way they are doing now, their chance of survival isnt realy high, their healt is deteriorating and their ressources are growing thin.

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[kazeiheikaya]

Not realy burned ones, but we've seen another woman infected in the fog and she wasnt looking like that.

On the other hand, the one we can see at the end of the two previous update, mc already cross path with her multiples times , and she didnt attack him or anything, so maybe she isnt hostile and could be their way out of this eventualy, because with the way they are doing now, their chance of survival isnt realy high, their healt is deteriorating and their ressources are growing thin.

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Honest, I had the same thought like the Witch COULD be a patient zero, or an experiment or something BUT I'm pretty sure she's maliciously following them, and shes the one causing the psychotic episodes. Just a guess, but man this update felt so short, so pumped for the next one. I need to know moreee.

My main evidence is Crazy man attacks, Then MC has episodes, in the same building as crazy man, but no episodes in gym. But it seems like he could feel the presence of the witch because he stirred awake when she came close and tapped. All conspiracy but, has me curious if the witches "special fog" causes psych breaks. Could explain why Shelley is SO bad right now. If she can deteriorate the mental strength of her targets (maybe even JUST men) she can push them to open the door by being able to speak to prey on them. Also crazy man kept saying "Shes mine" but he coulda been talking about the girls in the room, not really sure on that one. Who knows? Just a theory..... a game theory

 

[e6mill]

Honest, I had the same thought like the Witch COULD be a patient zero, or an experiment or something BUT I'm pretty sure she's maliciously following them, and shes the one causing the psychotic episodes. Just a guess, but man this update felt so short, so pumped for the next one. I need to know moreee.

I not saying we should ask if she's DTF or anything, but I'm not quite ready to assume the witch is hostile. Or even that there's only the 1. I'm also curious why she/they (including the males) apparently can't open doors.

 

[kazeiheikaya]

I not saying we should ask if she's DTF or anything, but I'm not quite ready to assume the witch is hostile. Or even that there's only the 1. I'm also curious why she/they (including the males) apparently can't open doors.

they probably cant (not the witch) but the males/female ones because they're braindead. Unless organized by commands or something they probably dont understand how a door handle works. Would be like zombies more or less, they'd maybe accidentally do it, but not naturally. They do lock up though every location they go so its kinda funny in a way if anyone was behind them that was survivors they would just eat shit because every door they've gone through is locked

Witch def seems of higher intelligence so she might be able to open a door if its unlocked, which is why I have a feeling her and crazy man had some sort of introduction. Also I mean, monster girl dtf.... I'ma get that scene if it happened but I doubt it. Pretty sure shes antagonistic, but its just my guess. As said was floating the theory she was like a patient zero or a mutant variant, experiment, etc but its weird she came to the building twice and the fog tensed up twice with her nearby + MC's hallucinations. BUT would be cool if she wasnt and actually was blocking MC from going out because it was dangerous at X time, I'd take it. But, I have a feeling shes the theoretical "Boss" of this chapter, or season, whatever you want to call the entire block.

Cant wait till we get to the part with a Tank variant .

 

[Klab040855]

I wonder how the relationships will go now with the discussion with Laura, if it will end the relationship with her.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Yes, quite easily the best girl. Also nice that she is the only one which is actually seeing the MC's problems, be it the aftermath the divorce he's struggeling with or him trying to be the one shuldering all...and she is even trying to actually help him with his problems like in this ep.
And than there is the other 2...well, Shelley got a demotion...not even a cocksleeve anymore
Thought the MC has some really strange hangups about privacy (which just don't make much sense to me in a live and death struggle)...like telling about Shelley's meds this ep...he still is debating it and thinks about lying about it, even if the girl has a mental breakdown and is a risk to herself and the whole group...a nice touch is that Kallie is straight up telling what's the problem when the MC tries to lie.

When Shelley lost it and they finally got into another building, I saw the choice to keep her secret from the group or tell the group as a choice on how he was trying to protect the group.

I chose the option to tell the other women so that they knew versus trying to lie (so I did not get the part where Kallie shares what is going on if the MC does not).

I think the choice makes sense - some leaders have the misguided notion that keeping someone's personal information secret outweighs the group's safety (bad or questionable decisions in times of high stress is something I've seen from a variety of leaders and the bad ones often double down when called on the bad decisions).

I also think that the group, about 5 weeks into the disaster and suffering from respiratory damage from the fog, lack of good meals, lack of consistent quality sleep and having to be 'on' from an awareness and 'are we secure' perspective is continuing to take its toll.

I'm curious if the image the MC saw inside the building was real or a symptom of stress and the situation.

One nice part of character growth I really enjoyed this rev was related to Kallie:

Spoiler: Batter Up

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Kallie's reaction to the MC being in danger was immediate and decisive - and far from Laura's 'WTF'.

Kallie was already running towards the MC and the sounds of fighting while Laura was still crouched next to Shelley.

IF MC gets a choice for who to pursue once they escape the disaster zone - Kallie has more than lapped Laura in her personal growth and responding like this when a life-or-death struggle suddenly happens is Exactly what you want from someone who is 'all in' on protecting you and watching your back.

She is serious wife material!!

Cheers!!

 

[Ottoeight]

I wonder how the relationships will go now with the discussion with Laura, if it will end the relationship with her.

Well, since this is a game with choices and stats, I guess it will depend on your choices as MC and her love/frienship points you scored.

 

[Meiri]

I wonder how the relationships will go now with the discussion with Laura, if it will end the relationship with her.

I don't think they will end anything unless your LP are too low maybe or you choose to lie to her instead of being open about it when you could.
In my game Laura seemed more concerned about Kallie than actually being angry at me, both of them have pretty high LPs with me. I think they will come to terms with it.

 

[kazeiheikaya]

I wonder how the relationships will go now with the discussion with Laura, if it will end the relationship with her.

I don't think they will end anything unless your LP are too low maybe or you choose to lie to her instead of being open about it when you could.

yeh same, just a small argument, but more focus on Kallie than "us"
She was pretty mad that I went for the scene prior to the talk, but hey gotta get the scenes.
I imagine it'll be a harem game though, im surprised it isn't, ILS usually has harem as a thing (as it was in Now & Then / Interim Domain). Maybe he just doesn't want to spoil anything, idk. Could also be circumstantial harem where until you figure out whats going on or fully commit to someone it continues, but eventually get put to the point of "lock in with." or one or more characters arent good with an open relationship and dip, idk.

It seems like Kallie x MC is the more intended route as the MC is hurt badly from a bad marriage and Kallie was kinda the opposite spectrum, she thought she was happy but realized she was being hurt badly in ways she didnt realize. She's giving MC what he never had while MC is also doing the same for her. So it seems logical they come together.

Laura seems like she would rush off to find her kid, take time, get a divorce, cope over the divorce, etc. Most likely a person who would do casual sex but not really commit because they've been in a lengthy marriage and dont really want to lock up again immediately.

Shelley, well, I figured she'd be more of a fling type of girl but as time's going on I'm pretty sure she's crushin hard on MC but doesn't want to admit it. With her bi-polar being out of whack and her intense reliance on MC it seems like its a good chance of spark since he's always there when she needs him, seems like she's never had that kind of stability. She does have some death flags goin tho so also a possibility. Dont take me 100% there, its just an observation, it would be odd for ILS to drop off a character but after interim domain, its possible. I had some sad moments during that run

Thats how I see it though. If the entire world really has gone to shit, then well, alpha male time!
Part of me hopes it is just toxi"City" and its like the whole world is perfectly fine, just that one city is a survival hell. Would be a cool twist aftermath. Sorry if I'm driving yall nuts with my wordy replies. Apoc/post-apoc is my jam lol. I love theory crafting it.

 

[Ottoeight]

I don't think they will end anything unless your LP are too low maybe or you choose to lie to her instead of being open about it when you could.
In my game Laura seemed more concerned about Kallie than actually being angry at me, both of them have pretty high LPs with me. I think they will come to terms with it.

yeh same, just a small argument, but more focus on Kallie than "us"
She was pretty mad that I went for the scene prior to the talk, but hey gotta get the scenes.
I imagine it'll be a harem game though, im surprised it isn't, ILS usually has harem as a thing (as it was in Now & Then / Interim Domain). Maybe he just doesn't want to spoil anything, idk. Could also be circumstantial harem where until you figure out whats going on or fully commit to someone it continues, but eventually get put to the point of "lock in with." or one or more characters arent good with an open relationship and dip, idk.

It seems like Kallie x MC is the more intended route as the MC is hurt badly from a bad marriage and Kallie was kinda the opposite spectrum, she thought she was happy but realized she was being hurt badly in ways she didnt realize. She's giving MC what he never had while MC is also doing the same for her. So it seems logical they come together.

Laura seems like she would rush off to find her kid, take time, get a divorce, cope over the divorce, etc. Most likely a person who would do casual sex but not really commit because they've been in a lengthy marriage and dont really want to lock up again immediately.

Shelley, well, I figured she'd be more of a fling type of girl but as time's going on I'm pretty sure she's crushin hard on MC but doesn't want to admit it. With her bi-polar being out of whack and her intense reliance on MC it seems like its a good chance of spark since he's always there when she needs him, seems like she's never had that kind of stability. She does have some death flags goin tho so also a possibility. Dont take me 100% there, its just an observation, it would be odd for ILS to drop off a character but after interim domain, its possible. I had some sad moments during that run

Thats how I see it though. If the entire world really has gone to shit, then well, alpha male time!
Part of me hopes it is just toxi"City" and its like the whole world is perfectly fine, just that one city is a survival hell. Would be a cool twist aftermath. Sorry if I'm driving yall nuts with my wordy replies. Apoc/post-apoc is my jam lol. I love theory crafting it.

Again, this is a game and everything depends on YOUR game choices.

Just for the record, in Now and Then - Author's 1st game - you have a path where both the 2 main teenage girls are happy to share MC, a path where you choose 1 girl over the other one, and a path where you mess up and you end up alone like a lone dog. Plus, you have multiple different sharing paths.

 

[Meiri]

yeh same, just a small argument, but more focus on Kallie than "us"
She was pretty mad that I went for the scene prior to the talk, but hey gotta get the scenes.
I imagine it'll be a harem game though, im surprised it isn't, ILS usually has harem as a thing (as it was in Now & Then / Interim Domain). Maybe he just doesn't want to spoil anything, idk. Could also be circumstantial harem where until you figure out whats going on or fully commit to someone it continues, but eventually get put to the point of "lock in with." or one or more characters arent good with an open relationship and dip, idk.

It seems like Kallie x MC is the more intended route as the MC is hurt badly from a bad marriage and Kallie was kinda the opposite spectrum, she thought she was happy but realized she was being hurt badly in ways she didnt realize. She's giving MC what he never had while MC is also doing the same for her. So it seems logical they come together.

Laura seems like she would rush off to find her kid, take time, get a divorce, cope over the divorce, etc. Most likely a person who would do casual sex but not really commit because they've been in a lengthy marriage and dont really want to lock up again immediately.

Shelley, well, I figured she'd be more of a fling type of girl but as time's going on I'm pretty sure she's crushin hard on MC but doesn't want to admit it. With her bi-polar being out of whack and her intense reliance on MC it seems like its a good chance of spark since he's always there when she needs him, seems like she's never had that kind of stability. She does have some death flags goin tho so also a possibility. Dont take me 100% there, its just an observation, it would be odd for ILS to drop off a character but after interim domain, its possible. I had some sad moments during that run

Thats how I see it though. If the entire world really has gone to shit, then well, alpha male time!
Part of me hopes it is just toxi"City" and its like the whole world is perfectly fine, just that one city is a survival hell. Would be a cool twist aftermath. Sorry if I'm driving yall nuts with my wordy replies. Apoc/post-apoc is my jam lol. I love theory crafting it.

I agree with you. In my opinion, if there were a "canon" route, it would be Kallie. She fits the MC perfectly; both are emerging from toxic relationships. She sees the MC as someone to lean on, and he understands her personality and encourages her independence, I think they fit each other perfectly but I will say Kallie is my favorite so I am a bit biased here

Laura is nice, but with her messy divorce and reconnecting with her kid, she doesn't seem ready for a romantic relationship for a while.

As for Shelley, she's nice but needs to focus on herself. She's at her lowest point, and without medication, a relationship is the last thing on her mind right now.

 

[Anteron]

Honest, I had the same thought like the Witch COULD be a patient zero, or an experiment or something BUT I'm pretty sure she's maliciously following them, and shes the one causing the psychotic episodes. Just a guess, but man this update felt so short, so pumped for the next one. I need to know moreee.

My main evidence is Crazy man attacks, Then MC has episodes, in the same building as crazy man, but no episodes in gym. But it seems like he could feel the presence of the witch because he stirred awake when she came close and tapped. All conspiracy but, has me curious if the witches "special fog" causes psych breaks. Could explain why Shelley is SO bad right now. If she can deteriorate the mental strength of her targets (maybe even JUST men) she can push them to open the door by being able to speak to prey on them. Also crazy man kept saying "Shes mine" but he coulda been talking about the girls in the room, not really sure on that one. Who knows? Just a theory..... a game theory

Shelley is off her meds. When someone stabilized by them stops taking them, they end up worse than they were before. Happens a lot - they get tired of the side effects/think they're OK/can't afford them - then soon they're going off the rails on the crazy train.