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Talothral

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Talothral , If I may make an observation (small critical point).

First thank you for giving me the variables that controlled my missing this scene. I wouldn't have had a clue what I did wrong that made me miss it. With that I went back and, for the first time, dug into the code and found my problem. . .which was that my value for every single variable you gave me was wrong!! What?? says I ?? I thought I answered all those points....correctly! I gave the gladelings back their stones...etc...

However in looking at the scene steps in update 5 I found there was another point one could
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The second was on the way back to camp traveling in the road AFTER I'd correctly answered it the first time in update 4. That question is misleading and easy to misunderstand and for the player to not have any idea of the correct answer
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I believe that is why I must have unknowingly made an error which caused all the other ones to fail as well, making the scene and any further travel along that possible path impossible.

I hope this helps you improve the game and its choices. Thanks for a great game.
The fate of the first gladeling group can be changed three times I believe, last time is with when Maevra asks what you should do with the soul stones.

As for the symbols, those were correct on the Fate ones. It's more of a hint system than a walkthrough, and at those points you are meant to decide which would fit your character "better" being more selfish or just be a decent human being. There are some darker dialogue randomly in the later updates depending on certain stat for example. And that tone is going to increase at suitable locations more and more towards the end we go... if I remember to write it >.>
 
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HiHaHo

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i mean hp hes not wrong.. its just annoying for the more active / longer active members to get that same critic so often so i do understand your reaction.

thefattestcat thalothral's his vn's succeed for their story/narrative writing , i believe he himself is aware that most people are there for the story :unsure:
also if you did enjoy this vn as a whole, you should give Sorcerer a go
 

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i mean hp hes not wrong.. its just annoying for the more active / longer active members to get that same critic so often so i do understand your reaction.

thefattestcat thalothral's his vn's succeed for their story/narrative writing , i believe he himself is aware that most people are there for the story :unsure:
also if you did enjoy this vn as a whole, you should give Sorcerer a go
And I don't think I was rude in any way (for once :) ).

Don't forget to try Tal's best games as well ;)
 
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The fate of the first gladeling group can be changed three times I believe, last time is with when Maevra asks what you should do with the soul stones.

As for the symbols, those were correct on the Fate ones. It's more of a hint system than a walkthrough, and at those points you are meant to decide which would fit your character "better" being more selfish or just be a decent human being. There are some darker dialogue randomly in the later updates depending on certain stat for example. And that tone is going to increase at suitable locations more and more towards the end we go... if I remember to write it >.>
Talothral , If I may, I thoroughly checked for the variable. Yes when Maevra asks what you should do with the soul stones (ver 5) that is the last time you can change it and that is what I was pointing out earlier. As I said, it is only the 2nd opportunity to make it 'False' and it is the one that, as I suggested, is not clear what we're dealing with/talking about. And I missed it. (and think others will too)

After that exchange, the Gladeling's Fate is set and cannot be changed. It is checked again in U_22, U_23, U_28, and U_29 for getting onto the Gladeling village path/scenes which is why I missed them and I now have to go back and repeat the whole story. Ok there are worse punishments . . .but it is upsetting to find that what you intended to do didn't actually happen so much later in the story.

On the symbols, I assumed the 'lighter' one was the 'good' and the 'redder' one the 'meaner/darker' one? I don't think there is a symbol explanation in 'help' or 'preferences' is there?
 

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i mean hp hes not wrong.. its just annoying for the more active / longer active members to get that same critic so often so i do understand your reaction.

thefattestcat thalothral's his vn's succeed for their story/narrative writing , i believe he himself is aware that most people are there for the story :unsure:
also if you did enjoy this vn as a whole, you should give Sorcerer a go
thanks for suggesting an alternative, although i've already tried it and it does sorta suffer from the same issues i've had here. yea, writing is way better than the average for a porn game, but i guess we still haven't reached the perfect balance of sex and story yet in general :cry:
 

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And I don't think I was rude in any way (for once :) ).

Don't forget to try Tal's best games as well ;)
true very civil,the christmas spirit makes you charming :LOL: just wanted to clarify for the new young ling as he's still new to the HP experience lol

thanks for suggesting an alternative, although i've already tried it and it does sorta suffer from the same issues i've had here. yea, writing is way better than the average for a porn game, but i guess we still haven't reached the perfect balance of sex and story yet in general :cry:
personally i have the same thing with vn's i play mostly for the good story's
if you want porn watch porn IMO
 
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Talothral

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Talothral , If I may, I thoroughly checked for the variable. Yes when Maevra asks what you should do with the soul stones (ver 5) that is the last time you can change it and that is what I was pointing out earlier. As I said, it is only the 2nd opportunity to make it 'False' and it is the one that, as I suggested, is not clear what we're dealing with/talking about. And I missed it. (and think others will too)

After that exchange, the Gladeling's Fate is set and cannot be changed. It is checked again in U_22, U_23, U_28, and U_29 for getting onto the Gladeling village path/scenes which is why I missed them and I now have to go back and repeat the whole story. Ok there are worse punishments . . .but it is upsetting to find that what you intended to do didn't actually happen so much later in the story.
This is more of a symptom of trying to make choices that matter. We are talking a VN here and VN made with ren'py. If there is a consequence of a choice immediately, it is just a rollback away which kind of makes the choice meaningless. Of course you could disable the rollback, but it's ren'py. Even my grandmothers could reenable it if they would want to... and both of them have been dead for over a decade. And on top of that, immediate consequences might not fit narratively either. So your only real option is to sprinkle them throughout the game so it isn't just a rollback or quick load away. At times, the consequences might not be pleasant, but that's why there is always an option to reply when the thing is done.

However, that being said, I'll see if I can make the markings/meaning clearer. Might not happen anytime soon, but it is on the list™ of things to check at some point.

On the symbols, I assumed the 'lighter' one was the 'good' and the 'redder' one the 'meaner/darker' one? I don't think there is a symbol explanation in 'help' or 'preferences' is there?
Yeah that's how it usually is, like 99% of the time. The 1% is usually because one choice might affect two things, might be positive towards someone and negative towards someone else and haven't figured out yet to make a decent symbol for that, either that or got the symbols mixed up until someone mentions about it. Have I mentioned I suck at most graphical things? I can get things done, but yeah... Anyway, it's also on the list™.

EDIT: There is some explanations in the Help section, not all as it was done in the early versions and things got added since then.
 
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