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DA22

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You mean the sister that kept the MC's daughter hidden from him for 7 years? That sister?

As for the ending, I'll bet its some kind of prank or manipulation in order to try and make us feel anything but disgust for her.
Yeah the thing is for those of us that consider her sin in lying about Millie and hurt that brought both to Millie and Mc as unforgiveable, Deb made her own bed by going along with that and continuing the lie and now she can lie in it. MC in a way is even still way too nice to her as is after what she did to him and Millie.

She and rest family broke trust in something that was vital and not forgivable or easy to play off as unimportant or that they could say who knew he would care so much. Besides dying to save them both, I do not see any way to truly redeem her or make up for what she did. Words will never be enough for that however much she might love MC.

She made a choice that cannot be unmade which she knew or should have known would never be defensible for whatever reason to MC in his eyes and continued the lie as well until MC found out, now we all get she was not looking forward to confessing about this considering the implications, but it only makes it even worse now he does know.

Edit: Let alone a way for MC to go back to what they had before she betrayed him and his daughter, not after such a betrayal whatever her reasons to go along with them. There are different degrees of betrayal and what she did is as serious as it gets and involved the things most important to MC and she knew that.

Compared to that her sleeping with his wife behind his back and not telling him is a slight misdemeanor at best.:p

With that setup in the story about the betrayal it was almost impossible for dev to turn Deb around with a happy ending with MC that would make sense and much more likely to either have her ending be tragic (losing the affection of the man she more or less built her life around, with no easy way to win that back anymore) or as an antagonist and about hate.
 
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Pmktrn17

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Dev decided to rework the game so I'll no longer be doing the mod, you guys know this is my hard a fast rule now. So bring on the sad faces if you will. Btw you have to start a new save.
Seems we need a new hero to continue this mod. Any volunteers?
 

Avaron1974

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This is just painful now.

The one badass in the game goes from cocky bitch to growing her hair and morphing into groveling bitch and from there she gets fucked over by fugly smurf fully completing her transformation into pussy bitch....

Talk about character assassination.

I like muscle chick, 1 of only 2 characters I did like, but my fave has been butchered and muscles aint carrying this on her own for me.

Not a fan at all with how things have gone with Deb the past few updates.

I'll just replay the bits where she was awesome.

I would rather that instead of ruining one of the only decent characters in the game, the dev took the absolute worst character that is the floppy cock of an MC and fed him on a diet of viagra and testosterone so he'd act like his description and not a prancing fairy. That way we'd have more decent characters and not 1 less.

Milly is strong, I don't think she's strong enough to carry this entire cast on her back alone.
 

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Well, well, well ... Now it seems that the game breaks almost completly if you use the skip function because ya have no savegame anymore ... it skips really much stuff after ignoring the error, after install the camera, more and more errors to ignore will hunt ya and skips from there to new contend. From the new things i´ve atleast seen from this update, well i just hope that this Deb thing is a fucking Joke. :sick:
 
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v1900

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So going by the last few pages we finally know why MC's wife left and it is utterly and undeniably stupid (have not played the last two or three updates). Apparently it was all mum's idea and this wanker can not muster enough testosterone to tell her to get the fuck off and never return. It appears that something bad is going to happen to the sister but not by the MC hands. So she will be the innocent victim for sympathy? And this is all going the way of the sandbox (the way of the dodo)?

Fucking hell instead of reattaching MC's balls this keeps getting weirder and weirder.
 

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Yeah the thing is for those of us that consider her sin in lying about Millie and hurt that brought both to Millie and Mc as unforgiveable, Deb made her own bed by going along with that and continuing the lie and now she can lie in it. MC in a way is even still way too nice to her as is after what she did to him and Millie.

She and rest family broke trust in something that was vital and not forgivable or easy to play off as unimportant or that they could say who knew he would care so much. Besides dying to save them both, I do not see any way to truly redeem her or make up for what she did. Words will never be enough for that however much she might love MC.

She made a choice that cannot be unmade which she knew or should have known would never be defensible for whatever reason to MC in his eyes and continued the lie as well until MC found out, now we all get she was not looking forward to confessing about this considering the implications, but it only makes it even worse now he does know.

Edit: Let alone a way for MC to go back to what they had before she betrayed him and his daughter, not after such a betrayal whatever her reasons to go along with them. There are different degrees of betrayal and what she did is as serious as it gets and involved the things most important to MC and she knew that.
I feel like Deb gets way more blame than she deserves. She may have known everything, but as far as I remember from the story the mother of the MC said she was the only one against the plan for Marie to disappear. The mother and father knew the whole time, and were visiting regularly enough that they decided to buy a house close by and at the same time were taking the the MC (at least the mother was) as if they were un aware. The mother talked about Deb having changes to her personality over the years after Marie left that would imply it was probably tearing her up inside to lie about it, yet the mother never felt like making it right herself was a good choice. I am sure the nature of the MC and Deb's relationship only makes the "betrayal" worse but I feel like anyone else involved is glossed over (yes MC seems to be upset with his mom but far less so) despite them having much more to do with the "betrayal" than Deb did.

I do not have a save around .08 to go back right at the moment to go through the whole incident again so a lot of the story is fuzzy and I think I glossed over it the last time I played but from what I remember it was only recently (like a few years prior I think) that Deb decided to be back into Milly/Marie's life, all the while the parents of the MC seem to have been communicating enough for the mom to make it sound like the once every 3 months that Deb was involved was not very often. The mother also laid everything out to the MC and bailed without really letting anyone have a chance to to let it sink in and come back for more questions (while also seemingly leaving things out about certain things that had to do with some of the sexual urges.)

I hope the cliffhanger at the end of .09 is more to get the family to come together more and eventually them fully getting over the past now that it has almost killed a second member of their family and not a way to cut Deb out of the story because it seems people are not a huge fan of hers. I feel like she is caught in the middle almost as much as the MC and Milly, between the man she loves more than anything and their family who seems perfectly happy continuing to lie to him and Milly because it was the easy thing to do.
 

CF007

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Come on, man, think about it. After everything he's been through (Cheating/betrayal wife/sister, and I know it was part his fault, Family Manipulation, military fuck him over) and so on. And you think after this he maybe, just maybe he has all rights to don't give a fuck about his family specially his mom and sister. Well, if it had been me instead. All family members would be lying on the ground after having a really honest conversation. And forgiveness for sister come on. it's not like she stole his money or candy. She and family fuck-up his family and live. you don't need enemies when you have a family like this
 

danvo2004

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Dev decided to rework the game so I'll no longer be doing the mod, you guys know this is my hard a fast rule now. So bring on the sad faces if you will. Btw you have to start a new save.

Edit: Updated to v0.08a (From here on this will be harem mod, meaning I'll show everything I can. :))

You can find this and all my other work here:

Or you can:
pls update mod to v0.09c, tks heap
 

Misosoc

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Seriously? I got drama is what makes a good story but ending like it is? Wow that is royally shit. Like her or not, she is somewhat a main character..... Hopefully it will turn around. Even though what was said is impossible to recover from. Still this isn't real so let's hope there is a chance.....

Like it was already mentioned earlier, let it be just to bring everyone closer together and forget the bullshit in the past. Don't trade Deb in for the new friend. At least Deb was better to look at than the friend. That isn't saying much but still.

The MC was being a hard headed military dōusche. I got why his family did what they did. Right or wrong, it was everyone choice. Doesn't mean someone needs to go...
 
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DA22

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I feel like Deb gets way more blame than she deserves. She may have known everything, but as far as I remember from the story the mother of the MC said she was the only one against the plan for Marie to disappear. The mother and father knew the whole time, and were visiting regularly enough that they decided to buy a house close by and at the same time were taking the the MC (at least the mother was) as if they were un aware. The mother talked about Deb having changes to her personality over the years after Marie left that would imply it was probably tearing her up inside to lie about it, yet the mother never felt like making it right herself was a good choice. I am sure the nature of the MC and Deb's relationship only makes the "betrayal" worse but I feel like anyone else involved is glossed over (yes MC seems to be upset with his mom but far less so) despite them having much more to do with the "betrayal" than Deb did.

I do not have a save around .08 to go back right at the moment to go through the whole incident again so a lot of the story is fuzzy and I think I glossed over it the last time I played but from what I remember it was only recently (like a few years prior I think) that Deb decided to be back into Milly/Marie's life, all the while the parents of the MC seem to have been communicating enough for the mom to make it sound like the once every 3 months that Deb was involved was not very often. The mother also laid everything out to the MC and bailed without really letting anyone have a chance to to let it sink in and come back for more questions (while also seemingly leaving things out about certain things that had to do with some of the sexual urges.)

I hope the cliffhanger at the end of .09 is more to get the family to come together more and eventually them fully getting over the past now that it has almost killed a second member of their family and not a way to cut Deb out of the story because it seems people are not a huge fan of hers. I feel like she is caught in the middle almost as much as the MC and Milly, between the man she loves more than anything and their family who seems perfectly happy continuing to lie to him and Milly because it was the easy thing to do.
Oh mom and the Ex are equally as guilty or even more and deserve as much flack for sure from MC's pov, just they have not been as present in game as a main as Deb and this betrayal was exactly part of what made her role feel so weird in game as a would be wing woman. This moment was coming all the time.

Just the thing is if Deb would have come out after three months, they might have been able to work it out. Her having kept the secret though for all those years and even after the wife died and keep lying to him all those years makes it such a breach of trust that even if MC could forget his anger over time, found it somehow in himself to forgive her he would not be able to forget. I would not be either in his place. Just getting beyond his first, second and third anger and even more disappointment in her would take MC time though if a human and not just one week

The trust in their relationship is gone even if MC would deep down still love her, whether Deb regrets her choice or not, she kept at her decision anyway and that is a decision with consequences. Just as Mc's decision during that action was one with consequences that could not be undone after.

Now for Deb that means she will have to find a way to deal with this new reality that she was responsible for creating due to her choices. Well if her coming to hate MC will be what it takes for her to move on, so be it. Going back to how their relation was before her betrayal and impact that had on her and MC during those years, let alone back before MC found out will be impossible even if MC is a greater man as I would be and would find it in his heart to forgive her.

Edit: Well if Deb succeeds in her action I suspect it will hurt MC still, despite the betrayal and if she fails and MC will forgive her in her need it is unlikely their relation will work anyway and for the parents , well they will have to deal with the consequences of their smart plan and actions if it means they will lose their daughter, son and granddaughter and same for the Ex if she is still alive and set everything up out of revenge. I hope the results will make her happy. There are no winners in this game as is, maybe MC and Milly will be able to salvage some.
 
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eddie987

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Oh, no! First Marie and now Deb? Poor Faye will have to work extra hard if she wants to keep fucking the MC over all by herself from now on. Maybe Jules can step in and help her! Oh, yeah... She had nooo idea what's going on and was sooo shocked when Deb told her! Of course only a few minutes after she first met the MC, she told him that Marie told her why she had left him, but I guess she forgot...

Oh, well. Life goes on... Can I pull the plug now?
 

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Couple of small bugs I noticed:
The new character Laura has the same name variable as Luca (Tina's husband), so his name shows as "Laura" during the scene where he appears.
In the latest update, Line 9084 of chapter3.rpy is "if Temp == 1" when it should probably be >= 1 (if you choose to both stare at Milly's butt and say something, the Temp variable will be 3, which will result in gaining Willpower).
And on lines 11016/11034 the 0 in "if MillyOption == 0/if MillyOption != 0" should be 1 (the only time MillyOption is ever 0 is when it's set right before the unavoidable choice that sets it to 1, 2, or 3).
 
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CF007

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Seriously? I got drama is what makes a good story but ending like it is? Wow that is royally shit. Like her or not, she is somewhat a main character..... Hopefully it will turn around. Even though what was said is impossible to recover from. Still this isn't real so let's hope there is a chance.....

Like it was already mentioned earlier, let it be just to bring everyone closer together and forget the bullshit in the past. Don't trade Deb in for the new friend. At least Deb was better to look at than the friend. That isn't saying much but still.

The MC was being a hard headed military dōusche. I got why his family did what they did. Right or wrong, it was everyone choice. Doesn't mean someone needs to go...
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Can you forgive or forget all of them after what they do? And live happily ever after.
Come on. Ok mc is hard headed but he has principles. He fought for justice. And his family instead of supporting him(I know he didn't listen to them). They made plans with his wife how to fuck him over. Because they love him, come on. I call this bs.
And after inicial plan go fubar they washed their hands of it and do nothing to fix this idiotic plan in the first place(yes they call wife and what?).Nothing they think mc will forget about everything and live happily. he had suicidal thoughts.
After when mc found out about everything (plan,cheating wife, betrayal and so on) they have the audacity to say that he is the fault of everything that happened.
And i think deb will miracle wake up(after a few updates) and forget about everything except for love for mc.
 

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question

Can you forgive or forget all of them after what they do? And live happily ever after.
Come on. Ok mc is hard headed but he has principles. He fought for justice. And his family instead of supporting him(I know he didn't listen to them). They made plans with his wife how to fuck him over. Because they love him, come on. I call this bs.
And after inicial plan go fubar they washed their hands of it and do nothing to fix this idiotic plan in the first place(yes they call wife and what?).Nothing they think mc will forget about everything and live happily. he had suicidal thoughts.
After when mc found out about everything (plan,cheating wife, betrayal and so on) they have the audacity to say that he is the fault of everything that happened.
And i think deb will miracle wake up(after a few updates) and forget about everything except for love for mc.
No it shouldn't be forgiven or forget. However being ex military myself and seeing what the MC was gonna step in, I see why they did it. The wife chose to do what she did. The family didn't ask her to. When you love someone, you will go to no ends to protect them. That is what everyone tried to do.

Their intentions were good since they didn't have any other options. The excision was terrible and so were the results. I do feel they should have come clean about this sooner. However if it was to still protect others, then that is the mess. Bottom line the MC should know 1 person cannot take down a government. This isn't 14th century medieval times where a king is over thrown.

Bad form by all parties.
 

Misosoc

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Really? Don't tell me you're converting this to a sandbox, especially so late into the game? I am really enjoying the game and if you're gunna throw sandbox into it I'm gunna be so put off ...

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I agree, sandbox games are mostly trash imo. You rarely know what to do next to progress the story. Only a few devs have pulled it off. Leave it as purely a VN.
 

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I feel like Deb gets way more blame than she deserves. She may have known everything, but as far as I remember from the story the mother of the MC said she was the only one against the plan for Marie to disappear. The mother and father knew the whole time, and were visiting regularly enough that they decided to buy a house close by and at the same time were taking the the MC (at least the mother was) as if they were un aware. The mother talked about Deb having changes to her personality over the years after Marie left that would imply it was probably tearing her up inside to lie about it, yet the mother never felt like making it right herself was a good choice. I am sure the nature of the MC and Deb's relationship only makes the "betrayal" worse but I feel like anyone else involved is glossed over (yes MC seems to be upset with his mom but far less so) despite them having much more to do with the "betrayal" than Deb did.

I do not have a save around .08 to go back right at the moment to go through the whole incident again so a lot of the story is fuzzy and I think I glossed over it the last time I played but from what I remember it was only recently (like a few years prior I think) that Deb decided to be back into Milly/Marie's life, all the while the parents of the MC seem to have been communicating enough for the mom to make it sound like the once every 3 months that Deb was involved was not very often. The mother also laid everything out to the MC and bailed without really letting anyone have a chance to to let it sink in and come back for more questions (while also seemingly leaving things out about certain things that had to do with some of the sexual urges.)

I hope the cliffhanger at the end of .09 is more to get the family to come together more and eventually them fully getting over the past now that it has almost killed a second member of their family and not a way to cut Deb out of the story because it seems people are not a huge fan of hers. I feel like she is caught in the middle almost as much as the MC and Milly, between the man she loves more than anything and their family who seems perfectly happy continuing to lie to him and Milly because it was the easy thing to do.
Of course Deb gets a mass amount of blame because she was the most present in MC's life and continually deceiving him and keeping the truth from him. She was a complacent part of this plan no matter how bad it made her feel she still didn't help him knowing how bad he was hurting. The guy was suicidal and heavily drinking even though the story seems to only touch on that but remember the phone conversation with his friend/fellow soldier at the beginning talking about his drunken escapades. Yes the Mother bears the biggest responsibility in all this, but that doesn't excuse the dad, deb, or anyone else who was involved in this whole thing. and as said in an earlier post forgive well some would but most wouldn't, however forget...? repair broken trust and taking anything any of these people ever say to MC again at face value... personally the MC's point of view where he's always questioning himself like was I that big of an arse? Just goes to show how easy he is to manipulate into believing everything is his fault instead of the fault of those who lied to him, deceived him, and generally fucked him over. Then there is the wife... she told his daughter he didn't want her and found someone new... at the very beginning he should have given his daughter the letter instead of trudging along like some dumbass trying to repair something that was broken by someone else. I don't care about the ex wife's reasons she caused damage to both of them because she admitted in her letter she couldn't come up with a plausible explanation to their daughter now she believes her own dad is a piece of shit. Repair the family... the only one I would be interested in fixing things with is the daughter the rest of them would no longer mean anything to me. Harsh or not it's how most people would feel. Also as the conversations continue Bart wasn't fully in the know but he knew enough that he could have reached out to MC and yet MC treats this guy like a friend... I think any man who would participate willingly in something like this regardless of how much he likes the people he works for has less integrity than the females. The Dad he was the worst one. Just going along with his wife and letting all this ruin his son... the mom defends him saying he did it all for MC well nice to know my Dad lied to me for years and years because he cared so much? Then the Mom not even apologizing for her role in this circus which was ring leader.... I'd never speak to her again or even acknowledge her existence. Ridiculous... Jules and Daughter as far as I know are the only innocents in this whole situation they truly seem clueless they only had what the ex wife told them to go by and I imagine that was by design... sorry but fixing this I don't even think years of therapy with a professional could fix this mess. The Mom, Dad, and Ex wife torched that bridge with a Nuke... lol
 
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