"Change their life forever, for the worse." Nope, nuh uh, fuck you narrator.
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Did I miss anything by not porking Mio's old uni rival? The only missable employee is Juni, correct?
Nennius
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You just missed getting to pork Mio's old uni rival & 3 line changes in the finali.
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There is no contradiction in what I have said. Saying to someone that they should aim for objectivity when reviewing games and avoid breaking the reviewing rules both in letter and in spirit is not demanding perfection.
Claiming that it is pointless to strive for objectivity because objectivity only has value if it is 100 percent is a typical example of how perfect becomes the enemy of good, as objectivity is something positive and that attitude, if applied generally, would mean that there would never be any objectivity at all.
Finally, don't think I missed when the dude in question admitted to having several of his previous reviews deleted by the mods (I guess that entire conversation in turn got nuked by the mods). That is no coincidence.
It doesn't matter, because it still works decently. As I have pointed out two times before, good games generally get high scores and bad games generally get low scores. The rating score generally says a lot more about a game than most single reviews. And also, if a game has 300 reviews, do you read every fucking review and apply your "media litteracy" on every single one? Even though you yourself claim they are all shit... Because I sure as hell don't. I only read the last less-than-five-star reviews of games who have high average scores to begin with, to determine if there is something in an otherwise promising game that I wouldn't like.
I don't see why you would have a problem with review tanking based on kinks the reviewer do not like. It is basically the same thing that you are defending. Also, if someone gives one star to a game based on "I don't like bad endings" or "I don't like Spanish people" or "I don't like horror", that person by definition has nothing worth saying in a reviewing context.
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I told them that it wouldn't be petty to post a 1 star review for a game that left a bad taste in their mouth, so long as they had something worthwhile to say. In that, they needed to back up their opinion with more than 'just because'.
So again, because you've somehow missed me pointing it out multiple times before. So check your eyes and correct your selective reading right here and now. My opinion that it was not petty to post a 1 star review because they did not like the ending, was CONTINGENT on them SUBSTANTIATING their opinion.
You somehow pulled from that this absurd extrapolation that I fear perfection? My dude, what in the actual fuck are you going on about?
So you already do what I said. You don't trust the aggregate absolutely, you still check individual reviews to see if you can glean something from the specifics that sets off alarm bells. You just put way more faith in the aggregate than I do, since I'm way past trusting what the herd has to say (in aggregate) on this forum.
No. You are purposefully misunderstanding, and at this point I suspect its deliberate.
The reviews here are practically all vibes based. Nobody is a professional reviewer. Nobody is being held to any journalistic standards. That's just how it is, that is the baseline, that's what informs your precious aggregate rating. I just acknowledge that this plainly observable fact is true. So I only look for specific reviews that have something worthwhile to say, someone who can back up their opinion with more than 'just because'. I am trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. This is something I've stated repeatedly, so again, the fact that you still don't get it leads me to believe you're being purposefully obtuse or ignorant.
Just keep raising those strawmen and knocking them down. Such a challenge. Much wow...
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Wow, people weren't kidding when they said the ending is terrible. This is so depressing that even my buddy Richard the One-Eyed Pirate was depressed. Does his other game end this poorly as well or is this uniquely a problem with this game?
This would be somewhat acceptable if those themes were weaved throughout with the gut punch at the end, but that never happens. We as players are penalized in the non-harem route by having no meaningful content, and we are equally punished if we go the harem route. All the while the developer is smugly tisk-tisking us for playing a harem porn game like a harem porn game. Its just pretentious, poorly written and cheap and puts a black mark on an otherwise excellent game. This is just plain bad design and writing. Plain and simple.
This. This game's ending actually reminds me a lot of School Days in how the tone just shifts dramatically at the end for the sake of a twist. Its also similar in its disdainful attitude toward its audience, chastising them for daring to engage with the harem aspects of its main story, despite "harem" being written on the tin. "How dare you enjoy this harem filth, now watch the consequences of your sins for playing this as it was designed."
This would be somewhat acceptable if those themes were weaved throughout with the gut punch at the end, but that never happens. We as players are penalized in the non-harem route by having no meaningful content, and we are equally punished if we go the harem route. All the while the developer is smugly tisk-tisking us for playing a harem porn game like a harem porn game. Its just pretentious, poorly written and cheap and puts a black mark on an otherwise excellent game. This is just plain bad design and writing. Plain and simple.
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From what I can tell, his other game is still ongoing and more than halfway done, though it probably might not be such a depressing end based on the listed themes and Tropicali ultimately started as a "shitpost side project" that had a very different tone than his main project.
And as I've said before, while the game itself may have setup the tragic end better, there was some allusion that this wasn't exactly going to be sunshine and roses with the game description making the player character sound like a piece of shit. At first I thought it was more of a joke, but the ending showed that it was more or less true.
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ok so hopefully someone can help me out and shed some light here.
played through the v0.9 version then resumed my save for 1.0
there was two new scenes with a new character called "hope"? that weren't sex
and then there was the final scene that had 1 sex scene with mio and then a lot of oddly depressing/confusing scenes with the girls
there was also a scene where MC is holding beads as if someone died??
Do I just need to replay the game from the start?
played through the v0.9 version then resumed my save for 1.0
there was two new scenes with a new character called "hope"? that weren't sex
and then there was the final scene that had 1 sex scene with mio and then a lot of oddly depressing/confusing scenes with the girls
there was also a scene where MC is holding beads as if someone died??
Do I just need to replay the game from the start?
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makes me think the corruption tag isnt just for the girls, MC seems like he turns into his father on the bad route. Are there any good endings if you decide to only sex 1 person?
it's funny to say this because our MC quite literally a comic book villain (in the bad end) he does not give a shit about these women and will do anything to further his goals (quite a lot of the dialogue/text is about this). Sadly I think part of why it feels "sudden" is because of how good the sex/intimacy scenes are and most people are playing porn games for the porn.
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Mio is unavoidable so if you're only going to have sex with one woman it has to be her. On that path the endings more or less the same as the one in that save, with Yoko and Rina just being maids instead of sex maids.
I don't fully understand the criticisms of the ending. I thought it fit considering the choices you were given along the story (which I will grant was only whether or not to have sex with the girls). The main theme of exploitation, of both the island, its people, and your love interests remained consistent. Every time you were asked to engage with them sexually, the MCs inner monologue explained how you were essentially exploiting their internal weakness. Jessica and her loss and subsequent guilt, Kaoru and her abandonment issues, and Laoise is just straight up grooming. By consistently making the choice to have intimate moments with them (which I did, bc porn game lol), it makes sense you end up becoming more detached from their own suffering, caring only about yourself. Because, at the end of it, that's what you did. You just went along with what they said to get your dick wet, which is itself a pretty meta narrative. I think the ending is pretty spot on to what has clearly been building up for a while.
Anyway, thats my 2 cents.
Anyway, thats my 2 cents.
But he doesn't have anything worthwhile to say, he makes that very clear when he writes that he agrees with the people who complain about the bad end and that he would give it a one star based on that because he thought it ruined the game.
No, the other way around. Not fear perfection, demand perfection.
I trust the aggregate more than I trust the individual reviews, as I wrote, I only check individual reviews if the rating is high enough. And in general I'd say you have it backwards regarding individuals vs the group, but this is really going out on a tangent, so I will not expand on that.
Yeah, yeah, suspect whatever you want.
Here you go again with demanding perfection. People don't need to be professional reviewers to be able to refrain from the most egregious forms of rating based on personal preference (for instance, giving a game one star just because it did have a sociopathic end for players who repeatedly made sociopathic choices...). And the mods even delete some of the worst offenders in this regard.
Anyway, this has really started going in circles and we are also off topic, so this will be my last post in this discussion. Have the last word if you like.
There is nothing "sudden" to the "bad end", the MC is like that through out the entire game, at the very least if you make the choices that are required to get the sex and, I suspect, that ending. On top of that, the game litterally tells you the MC will ruin the lives of the LIs.
When I wrote comic book villain, what I meant is a mustasche twirling villain who does evil for the sake of evil. This is not the MC, as he isn't a sadist who's goal is to cause as much pain and suffering as possible. He is just an egocentric who manipulates and exploits other people for his own benifit and pleasure. Obviously, a big portion of the fan base on this forum cannot see how that is bad and are therefore suprised when the manipulated and exploited women don't live happily ever after with the man who took advantage of them.
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Probably for the best, considering your reading comprehension is on par with a mayfly. So have fun with that, and when you get into your inevitable next running in circles argument, just remember that the singular through line will be your own myopia.
Playing as an ultra-possessive sociopath was...different. Interesting seeing a more realistic evil MC, though.