I believe thats suppose to Fernandos internal monologue with some meta jokes thrown in. Actual commentary by story anon is usually quoted in persona character such as in one of the joke hires and his in person appearances in OoT.
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I think we have to take in context that this project is just a side story to Out of Touch. There is really only a villainous corruption route because it's canon and this is the story from one of the universes villains. My critique is more for that, there really shouldnt have been choices at all perhaps, more a pure VN like OoT, also as far as I'm aware Tropical and Gloria don't really factor much into the story of OoT, just small connections, though I suppose now that this project is completed, it may become a bigger part of the story whereas before would have been spoilers.
Mio had no reason to believe you weren't half siblings. And she had no reason to even think on it until MC unlocks her incest kink mid sex. Also Mio even states her biological intel comes from investing in tropicali's medical industry/corruption without privacy laws, neither of you grew up on Tropical so she has no reason to have access to your medical records. Also she didn't "track down a cloning machine" she followed up on the hotel owned by the shady rich dude her friend was obsessed with to try to find answers to what they were doing. Turns out it was a cloning machine. If she had known or been looking for it she probably would have checked the basement sooner.Edit: also might have missed it but did Mio admit if she knew that Fernando and gloria weren't blood related? Because if she didn't that really makes her seem less powerful and makes the ending even worse......since she can track down a cloning machine but not do a fucking bloodtest for her employees (gloria and mom admit that would show the truth)please guys try to defend this one
Also personal crackpot theory: Gloria's mom is lying, they are half siblings, shes lying to give Gloria that extra push to conceive a child with Fernando to make absolutely sure neither Gloria (or her) get cheated out of the resort money. Technically Gloria can be said to have already sold her share, and as Mio points out all it takes is a few shady judges to steal an inheritance. But Fernando if not legally can be emotionally manipulated into keeping Gloria around with a pregnancy. She even says she learned how to push his buttons before puberty. Hell this is even what she did to the dad, can't ditch the mistress if she has your firstborn. Whether she's right and Fernando is the type to at least do right by his bastards like his father is up to interpretation.
Does anyone have a folder with all the animations/image files? Previous releases usually had them in the game/images/animations folder but it seems like it was removed for the final version.
I literally played the game, formed my own opinion (the ending was bad and overall plot was somewhat convoluted with the "big twists" especially the "Oh!, it's not REALLY incest" thing), saw numerous feedback beyond that of the dev's most dedicated supporters.
More feedback, even retarded feedback is still able to give one an understanding of the perception of a game. Being a backer usually results in copium/sunken cost fallacy and gives a much greater bias than someone who isn't financially/personally vested in it.
How do I know this? I backed Twisted World for over three years and not at the minimal tier. Take that however you like. Unlike you who haven't apparently invested in these games financially, I can tell you there is leeway you give a dev for what you personally feel are negative choices for how they develop a game given you backed them due to liking another project or the early builds of the same one.
My issue was the latter portions of the game. They are convoluted at best. If there is supposedly an intent to have two more parts to this game as a series, they are better off just focusing on OOT, a game that does seem decent, and why I played this one.
"Deconstructing" a genre is cringe, and comes across as implied lecturing the of player's tastes that brought their interest to a game in the first place. If he wants to do narrative stories, go for it. This one isn't "awful" but it certainly isn't good. "Mediocre" or "sub-par" suits it best. again, All the best for them on OOT, but this game made me feel like I wasted my time.
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Finally finished this one. While the ending was fairly bad, I think reading some of the comments here actually made it a lot easier since I was bracing for the worst. Genuinely appreciate everyone that posted the warnings.
I do think there was a way to pull off this ending, if that's what the dev had in mind all along. The game just did not set up for it properly. Barring one or two scenes, the tone of the game just didn't match. There's way too many purely romantic scenes. If the goal was just to entrap them, you'd think their events would have reflected that. They also made Fernando too inconsistent even in his own private thoughts, as if he himself knew his thoughts existed to fool the audience.
I like playing games where you're playing a bad guy too. But it just didn't feel like you were playing that kind of character up until the very end. Before that he was largely just a horny goofball. He might do insensitive things to get some. But not hurt them for it. Him just completely railroading them at the very end just felt like an ending to a different game.
The incest thing was a complete cop out. For that there was no real excuse or way to do it right, especially after you made the player go through defining the relationship themselves. All around dick move.
I do think there was a way to pull off this ending, if that's what the dev had in mind all along. The game just did not set up for it properly. Barring one or two scenes, the tone of the game just didn't match. There's way too many purely romantic scenes. If the goal was just to entrap them, you'd think their events would have reflected that. They also made Fernando too inconsistent even in his own private thoughts, as if he himself knew his thoughts existed to fool the audience.
I like playing games where you're playing a bad guy too. But it just didn't feel like you were playing that kind of character up until the very end. Before that he was largely just a horny goofball. He might do insensitive things to get some. But not hurt them for it. Him just completely railroading them at the very end just felt like an ending to a different game.
The incest thing was a complete cop out. For that there was no real excuse or way to do it right, especially after you made the player go through defining the relationship themselves. All around dick move.
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Not gonna lie I had that thought as well but the twist needed to happen sooner for it to be more accepted I think. Bringing it up basically in the last 10 minutes of a game in which people played it for years hoping for some incest action....well, feeling dissapointed is the only reaction the dev could have anticipated ngl.
There is hope for a Tropicali sequel in which all the critique could be adressed and alleviated but given the whole initial idea of the game and short but (no offense) weird interaction I had with the dev on their discord I doubt this will happen.
Maybe this is all a troll narrative but Story Anon hates coomer or coomer behaviour in general. And the game was a shitpost against them. Simple as is.
If a Tropicali 2 is made then I think it will be more like Tropicali 1.
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Damn Story Anon, i like the cut of your jib. While ending might be controversial and i'm a big sucker for good endings - i can apprecieate some good tragedy when i see it. I'm hooked and i'm going to check out OOT next since it was stewing on my "to play" list for some time now.
I agree, that was my conclusion as well.
Yeah, the point isn't really about fetishes, it is about personal preferences that has nothing to do with whether the game is good or bad.
You not liking bad endings is your personal preference, there is nothing objectively bad about bad endings. In this case it is especially egregious as the game repeatedly warns you that the MC will fuck up the lives of the LIs he encounter and that is on top of the MC being an exploitative, shallow and egotistical asshole in general. To rate the game one star based on that is like going into a Italian restaurant and rating it one star because it serves pasta.
That the dev wants people to feel bad is just a figment of your own imagination. I liked the game. I didn't mind the ending. It was fitting considering the foreshadowing and the kind of character the MC is (at least if you play him the way required to get to the bad ending). You can wish for your time back all you want, but in the future you would be better served by thinking about what it is you are actually playing and how you are playing it. A first can be to consider the tags a game has. Tropicali has the corruption, drugs, domination, groping, harem, humiliation, mind control, slave and virgin tags. In comparison, it does not have the romance tag. That in of itself should be enough to at least consider the possibility that this game isn't a cookie cutter "and-they-lived-happily-ever-after" kind of game (which it, as far as I understand it, is still possible to achieve, you just have to dial down the MCs corruption).
It very obviously is exactly what I criticised, someone who says "I don't like these kind of stories, therefore, one star!".
It fucks with the game ratings.
Yet the rating works decently. Games which are low rated are almost never good and good games almost always have high ratings.
The main problem here is that people don't actually read what the game tells them and also plays the MC as a fucking sociopath and are still surprised when they get a sociopath ending rather than a Disney ending. Most at least seem to understand that they shouldn't take to the review section to vent and when they do, it does happen that the moderaters delete reviews that do not follow the rules.
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To be fair, I don't remember every encounter and it is very possible that there are some inconsistencies in how the MC is portrayed that I don't remember, but I mostly got the impression that the romance was mainly from the LIs perspective, whereas the MC mostly just says whatever to manipulate them to where he wants them. That said, he's an up beat type of person and seem to enjoy himself, but that isn't in itself anything that precludes him from being an asshole at the same time. Dude virtually owns two of them as slaves and preys on the insecurities and troubled backgrounds of the rest. Not to mention having a harem in the first place.
Agree about the incest part though. I don't mind it as a plot device, but it should have come after he managed to corrupt her enough to have sex with him despite believing herself to be his sister (which she, btw, still very much can be, the game never makes that clear).
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People are saying there's a cheat menu after the tutorial, but I'm not seeing it. Was it taken out of the game?
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You'd be surprised. If you go back and take a look, you can see Fernando's thoughts on situations has more text than basically all the dialogue of every character combined. And it's almost all romantic thoughts in the events with those LIs. The way he goes on and on about his deep connection with them made me even roll my eyes a few times.
Like with Jessica, it doesn't seem like he's trying to get her to stay out of lust. He doesn't tell her that her husband is dead and her kids don't need her anymore so there's nothing left for her back home. Those ideas are basically all expressed in his head. He genuinely thinks that she needs to stay to be happy. So while ironic, concluding her story by trapping her there in misery is not a very satisfying ending to her story arc.
With the slaves, if you examine it closer it's also not what you'd expect. In Yoko's storyline, he already controls her 100% from the start. Despite that, he goes out of his way to try to get her to express desires that are not in service to him. The other tried to kill him and even she's confused why he's being so nice to her when he obviously doesn't need to be.
The most charitably I can construe it as if I were to play devil's advocate is that Fernando was trying to fool himself. That he wanted to be the nice caring guy and when shit hit the fan, his real priorities are forced to the surface. But I don't think that's fair towards the audience that was mislead by the disingenuous nature of his thoughts and all the game's events. If the vast majority of the content is lovey dovey staring off at the sunset stuff, then you've essentially already made a romance game. You can't just switch out the ending to change the genre.
So.....got to the Good ending, now I am annoyed......because the 4th wall break on the Good Ending was annoying as can be. The whole game plays up this theme that you will ruin their lives if you actually do anything with them, fair enough, its reinforced at plenty of points so I'd say it's justified that they can run a bad ending if you do go and screw everyone. Mio's scenes are basically free game so it's not like it's a H-less run....so why did they throw in a 4th wall insult if you don't abuse the maids, one of the paths that are very clearly you abusing your power over them? What was even the point of doing this whole "Good=restraint=not ruining them for your own desire" theme if the ending actually lambasts you for it if you do?
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That's the problem with these endings, you try to be a good person, the game makes fun of you for it and doesn't have enough content to motivate you to follow a path that isn't sexual with the girls (not having sex in a porn game???), but when you choose sex there's only one ending in that option which is to make their lives worse? Like what the hell kind of logic is that?
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No you didn't.
You wrote...
For those in the back seats, that is a 'don't kink shame review', followed by 'impossible objectivity', and the final example given is 'don't kink shame review'.
Objectivity in reviews is a crap shoot. Outside of grammatical errors, what is 'objectively bad' writing? Again, I just advocated that so long as the review is more than just 'I don't like X kink', it's doing pretty alright by the standards of F95. Nobody in the reviews here is a 'professional' eroge games journalist or reviewer, and holding them to some idealized standard is less than helpful. The reviews here are less helpful in aggregate (the star rating) than they are in posting individual impressions, and gauging if the opinion provided is being expressed well and is of value is something for you to determine yourself.
Also the original poster who started all this was afraid that posting a 1 star review because the ending left a bad taste in their mouth would be petty. My point, which I still stand by, is that the review is only petty if the review is just sour grapes. I encouraged them to share their opinion, if and only if, it was more than 'just because'. If they want to put into writing and make a case for why the writing was bad? Have at it. If they can make that case, you'll see it in the review. If they cannot, then their review will ring hollow.
TL;DR - The star rating is crap, but individual reviews can be more or less useful.
Nobody cares, see above. Also some of my favorite games ever had really mid Metacritic reviews, and mainstream AAA slop get a cavalcade of unchallenging glowing reviews from 'professional' outlets all the time. The best you can do is find a reviewer on your wavelength whose opinion you find insightful, and work from there.
Ain't nobody here missing a publisher bonus payment cause their F95 star rating was too low...
For like maybe the first 2~3 pages if sorted by rating, and even then you can find some duds. Once you're into the 4.5 and below waters, all bets are off. There is a metric fuck-ton of shit that reaches north of 4 stars almost entirely on the back of catering to specific fetishes. The star ratings are already flooded with 1 and 5 star rating based entirely on how much someone likes the fetishes, but with a bit of fluff to pad out the minimum character limit. There is zero screening for quality in the reviews themselves, so it is a case of GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out. You can't trust the inputs (reviews), so your shouldn't trust the outputs (star rating). Giving one person a hard time isn't going to ameliorate the situation.
One of those rules is 'you can't name other games', so right off the bat the foundations of the reviews here are fundamentally flawed. Comparative analysis is verboten. I don't know why you are demanding some mythic unobtainable objectivity from a site with review rules this fucked from the start.
So what if people don't like how the story turned out? That's their opinion, and they're free to share it. Anybody who reads the reviews and themselves cannot tell the difference between someone having a hissy fit and someone trying to be objective? That's on them. Not perfectly objective mind you, because you know (or maybe you don't in this case), literally everyone has biases and the point of reviews is not to just remove all said biases and turn reviews into the unified output of unfeeling objective automatons.
Media Literacy: It doesn't just apply to books, movies, and games; but also to reviews for such things!
Who knew?
If you examine the slaves closer, you will find that slavery is actually kind of humanitarian...
Dude, you are right that there is a lot of descriptions about how he wants and needs the LIs, but it is at the same time a lot of descriptions on how he does what he does to get what he needs, both in terms of sex and relationships and in terms of employees, even when it is very clear that this is to the detriment of the LIs. Even if we assume that he really is in love with multiple women at the same time (and not just in lust/passion), how can you be surprised that manipulating these women to do his bidding to maximise his profit and pleasure at their long term expense end with something less than optimal for them? Only the harem thing in on of itself should spell automatic bad end for the LIs from any rational perspective. It is only at sites like this that harem is considered normal and acceptable...
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I'm not surprised that the harem protagonist is trying to build a harem. I'm saying that if the tone of all your events is stuff like handholding and staring off into the night sky as MC contemplates how he can help the sad LI through her abandonment issues, then you're not really writing a compelling corruption harem story. You're writing a romance harem story.If you examine the slaves closer, you will find that slavery is actually kind of humanitarian...
Dude, you are right that there is a lot of descriptions about how he wants and needs the LIs, but it is at the same time a lot of descriptions on how he does what he does to get what he needs, both in terms of sex and relationships and in terms of employees, even when it is very clear that this is to the detriment of the LIs. Even if we assume that he really is in love with multiple women at the same time (and not just in lust/passion), how can you be surprised that manipulating these women to do his bidding to maximise his profit and pleasure at their long term expense end with something less than optimal for them? Only the harem thing in on of itself should spell automatic bad end for the LIs from any rational perspective. It is only at sites like this that harem is considered normal and acceptable...
There's different kinds of harem protagonists. While you can argue that they're all immoral, they're obviously not all written as such for the audience. And with the amount of time the game spent having Fernando tackle their personal problems instead of just tricking or coercing them, this game obviously fell more into romantic lead than unabashed manipulator.
You can try to blame it on this website for setting unrealistic expections but you still have to ask yourself these questions. If that was the goal all along then why wait until the end to spring it on the audience? Why not have events 1-9 for each girl better reflect the true objective? Why not have him at least think stuff like "Tropicali a pit stop for the dead? This bitch is loco, no wonder all her friends left. Thank god for that ass." as he whispers all these sweet nothings to them?
Even if you think that harems are inherently wrong, it's still not sensibly written. There is a clear mismatch of themes here.
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