VN Ren'Py Twisted Memories [v0.9b] [BaiBai]

[Badjourasmix]

The idea of yet another game being remade is not something that I am a fan of, but I can't really blame him if he goes that route. Lashing out against him doesn't solve anything the people that you should hate are the ones in charge of the payment processors. They are the ones forcing devs to make these drastic decisions in order to keep being able to work on their games.

 

[Trashgiant12]

The idea of yet another game being remade is not something that I am a fan of, but I can't really blame him if he goes that route. Lashing out against him doesn't solve anything the people that you should hate are the ones in charge of the payment processors. They are the ones forcing devs to make these drastic decisions in order to keep being able to work on their games.

Nobody is "lashing out" against him, just people pointing out that he's panicking and not thinking clearly, and that taking any of the rash decisions he's proposing is a really bad idea for a multitude of reasons. Also there's nobody forcing devs to any decisions right now, just a bunch of people freaking out over what may or may not be. Better to wait for the dust to settle and see what the landscape looks like first, there will always be ways around this garbage anyhow.

 

[BulgariAMARA]

There is another option, to accept support from fans directly, bypassing any platforms. This can be done using cryptocurrency for payments, not through banks or any platforms.

 

[Dereck112]

A whole bunch of rambling
Alright, this was kind of a weird week. It didn't start of the best with the development once again reaching its most un-fun part even though I really tried this time to change my communication in terms of expectations but I guess its just kind of inevitable for things to turn out like this with the time between releases being as they are. It isn't that tragic though, after all its not like we haven't been through this plenty of times by now. Much worse however was the whole Itch.io thing which together with the Steam purge happening right before it really scared the shit out of me.

For those of your who don't know, Itch.io deindexed all adult games due to outside pressures while they're working their way though them, banning everything that doesn't adhere to a certain set of rules.

Because of that I very seriously considered just dropping everything else to start working on a heavily censored remake of the game as soon as possible to be on the safe side of things and I even already started digging through v0.1 to figure out how I'd best go about doing so, but I calmed down a bit by now. To be honest though, I still think doing it this way would be the most rational course of action and I'm probably kind of stupid not to do so immediately. At the same time however I don't think I can do it. V0.10 isn't in a state where I'd be willing to say fuck it and just release it. The way things are right now I'd rather cancel it completely and try to work myself back to the current state of things as fast as possible but I really don't think I can do that to you guys and I also think that it would be nice to have at least episode 1 out in the way it was meant to be (I also don't even want to imagine the shit show that would break loose if I did, but that's secondary). Accordingly I decided to just stick with it for now and gamble on the game being safe for a while longer. After v0.10 however, the way I'm currently thinking is that I won't start work on v0.11 and instead start over with a remake of v0.1 which will most likely end up quite a bit different from how things are right now. But we'll see about that once I get there, especially since I currently have two different ways in mind how I could go about doing this from which I'd still have to decide on one.

All of this sucks to an unbelievable degree but sadly there is no way of knowing whether I'm overreacting or not, though I kind of doubt that I am. Either way, for the last few days I've been kind of flip flopping between trying to continue the work on v0.10 and starting over with the v0.1 remake without getting much done of either and while doing so I realized too late that I still had to do some bonus renders for today. I'll catch up with posting those next week instead and try to get my head back straight in regards to wrapping up v0.10

NOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Lordisigler]

Put a FFVIII Squall facial scar on MC face and red lipstick on all LI. And boom, they are all adult. Also a patch to remove it.

 

[Badjourasmix]

Nobody is "lashing out" against him, just people pointing out that he's panicking and not thinking clearly, and that taking any of the rash decisions he's proposing is a really bad idea for a multitude of reasons. Also there's nobody forcing devs to any decisions right now, just a bunch of people freaking out over what may or may not be. Better to wait for the dust to settle and see what the landscape looks like first, there will always be ways around this garbage anyhow.

I mean the only platform right now where this type of games can be made and be uncensored is subscribestar and sooner or later they will have to change their rules as well. It wasn't that long ago that steam felt like a safe haven for adult games and out of nowhere a lot of them got removed. I do agree that it's better to wait a little bit to see what happens. But we also have to be prepared for the worst.

 

[warmonster]

I mean the only platform right now where this type of games can be made and be uncensored is subscribestar and sooner or later they will have to change their rules as well. It wasn't that long ago that steam felt like a safe haven for adult games and out of nowhere a lot of them got removed. I do agree that it's better to wait a little bit to see what happens. But we also have to be prepared for the worst.

I mean at worst he could just make a gofundme and just put the updates here or make a dedicated page for his game like some other devs do

 

[Absurdity]

I definitely don't think it's worth it to give up on the original vision yet. Maybe we will go to a censorship dystopia where there is no way for the current version to be viable, but we are not there yet and I don't think it is worth jumping the gun here, it would definitely lose a lot of players. Even if you try your best to keep as much of the original as possible the simple word "rework" can be a death sentence in the eyes of many players and cause them to drop it.

If I were you I would wait and see how things shake before doing anything that drastic, maybe the pushback will work, maybe people will migrate to other platforms or even create new less censored ones, we don't know yet. It will not be too late to rework the game later if there really is no other way, but pulling the trigger too soon might be something you'll regret.

 

[Darkman200]

Honestly, I wonder what actual solutions are being offered by those criticizing the developer’s proposal. It’s easy to complain, but most people don’t offer any viable alternatives—just unrealistic demands. Personally, I really don’t like the direction this is going. Looking at their SubscribeStar account, there doesn’t seem to be much support there, which makes me think that a good portion of their income probably comes from itch.io. In that context, I understand why they might consider releasing a censored version, even if I strongly dislike the idea. I really hope better and more realistic alternatives come up.

 

[Holyx9]

I already commented on his SS page since I am a sub but I highly recommend BB to go to Discord. There was another dev that had a risque game so the dev went to discord and used the sub system there. SS became more of a shell game and the real game continue to be develop at Discord. BB should wait and see how things play out but he should not be panicking right now since there is an alternative to keep the game funded.

 

[Badjourasmix]

I already commented on his SS page since I am a sub but I highly recommend BB to go to Discord. There was another dev that had a risque game so the dev went to discord and used the sub system there. SS became more of a shell game and the real game continue to be develop at Discord. BB should wait and see how things play out but he should not be panicking right now since there is an alternative to keep the game funded.

If it's the dev that I am thinking then yea it could be a good solution just, make a side game with content that doesn't break any of the stupid rules of the payment processors and put it on SS just as a front. Give it a small update once in a while and keep working on your main game.

 

[w123t4]

I remember the developer of "between humanity" and "friends in need" did something like making censored version on itch and patreon but still have a non-censored version elsewhere. In the censored version there are hints for player to get the un-censored version, maybe this is also an idea for how to solve the problem now?

 

[Badjourasmix]

I think for most devs the solution will have to be what a lot of devs are already are doing on patreon. Remove all the "problematic" content of the game and put it in a separate patch. There are still a lot of games with incest on patreon and that is how they are able to still be there.
We already went through this when patreon was forced to change their rules, and for the most part adult games were able to survive. There have been a few devs since then, that were careless and were blatanly breaking the rules, but for the most part adult games even with some taboo content were able to survive. We just have to adapt.

 

[Userd114]

I already commented on his SS page since I am a sub but I highly recommend BB to go to Discord. There was another dev that had a risque game so the dev went to discord and used the sub system there. SS became more of a shell game and the real game continue to be develop at Discord. BB should wait and see how things play out but he should not be panicking right now since there is an alternative to keep the game funded.

The sub system of discord can avoid major payment processor?

 

[Userd114]

If it's the dev that I am thinking then yea it could be a good solution just, make a side game with content that doesn't break any of the stupid rules of the payment processors and put it on SS just as a front. Give it a small update once in a while and keep working on your main game.

Still risky. "Someone one click report and your game got banned" situation again. Need a platform that doesn't give a fuck about Visa/ Master/ PayPal and allow freedom of creation. Or just a trustworthy payment method that we can directly transfer subscribe fee to Baibai. Then Baibai just use those platforms to promote the game.
1. Crypto
2. Elon Xpay(hopefully)

Even we win this battle, we still need to find a backup payment method or this kind of shit will looping until the end of the world. So please feel free to suggest any other possible solution.

 

[Badjourasmix]

Still risky. "Someone one click report and your game got banned" situation again. Need a platform that doesn't give a fuck about Visa/ Master/ PayPal and allow freedom of creation. Or just a trustworthy payment method that we can directly transfer subscribe fee to Baibai. Then Baibai just use those platforms to promote the game.
1. Crypto
2. Elon Xpay(hopefully)

Even we win this battle, we still need to find a backup payment method or this kind of shit will looping until the end of the world. So please feel free to suggest any other possible solution.

Crypto is not a solution because most people don't trust it and don't want to use it. So the dev would end up losing a lot of his support. Until there is a viable alternative to these payment processors, the best devs can do is either completely drop their games and start new ones or, use the current tactics of creating patches for the taboo content and not mentioning them on the platform they are using(patreon, subscribestar, etc)

 

[Preda666]

I have just learned the news, and I must say it affects me deeply.
In my view, it is crucial not to act hastily, let alone immediately commit to a remake. A decision made under the influence of strong emotions, without sufficient consideration, is very likely to be regretted later. I can easily imagine how overwhelming the situation must be—so much so that the thought of giving up might seem tempting, especially when we are so close to completing a new chapter.


As for me, I have only been financially supporting the project for two months, yet I believe it would feel unfair—even disrespectful—not to release version 0.10. Many people have been contributing for an entire year with the expectation of receiving that specific content, not a diluted version that would lose its appeal and stray from the developer’s original vision.


I fully agree with those who consider the game’s “taboo” aspect to be an essential part of its uniqueness and interest. For my part, the situation is clear: if version 0.10 is not released and we must wait several additional months for a remake, I will be compelled to withdraw my support—and I doubt I would be the only one.


It is not a decision I would take lightly: this game is among my top three favorites, alongside Artemis and Desert Stalker.


I sincerely hope that Baibai will choose to complete this chapter before making any decisions about the future of his work.

 

[KrLosZ]

Don't worry, you're worrying too much. Keep developing the game as you planned and don't remake it. If you do, you'll not only lose a lot of money, but worse, the trust of your fans. Believe me, if you go down that route, you'll regret it. It wouldn't be the first game to die because of the bad decision of a remake.

 

[P4124v4n]

Crypto is not a solution because most people don't trust it and don't want to use it. So the dev would end up losing a lot of his support. Until there is a viable alternative to these payment processors, the best devs can do is either completely drop their games and start new ones or, use the current tactics of creating patches for the taboo content and not mentioning them on the platform they are using(patreon, subscribestar, etc)

Crypto actually is the solution but the sad reality is that almost all of it is a scam except bitcoin. All the scams made it very hard to understand and trust it. I've been in the industry for 10 years.

 

[RG80100]

Baibai, it seems I have been supporting you since version 0.3 or 0.4, I am not sure which. I am uncertain how to respond to your concerns. And honestly, I do not see you fully committing to a project that you had to modify when it was not your original idea. In my opinion, you're more likely to burn out and give up on your game. You have two choices (this is just my view of things): either you continue with the original idea and see if you're not too annoyed (SS is relatively more flexible at the moment), or you stop this game and start another one. You have a definite talent for writing, so I'm not worried that you'll find a good story. I think you're underestimating the work involved in making a remake. It won't just be a matter of redoing the renderings. For example, what about Stephanie's story, which changes radically precisely because the MC didn't really look at her at a certain point in the story? You're going to have to rewrite and translate everything (something you hate doing). In any case, don't make a hasty decision.