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Lust0ne

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I noticed when eating the hot dog and joking you automatically get a point in liking male gender. Why is that? When i got it, I restarted from a save point because I thought I clicked something by accident but it did it again. So wasn't sure if that was accidental?
 

greono

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I noticed when eating the hot dog and joking you automatically get a point in liking male gender. Why is that? When i got it, I restarted from a save point because I thought I clicked something by accident but it did it again. So wasn't sure if that was accidental?
It's not a bug, it's proposed. You will understand in the future.
 

greono

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What do I do after "find security guard" How do i find him. I got stuck the last time
The girls (Anny and Jenny) need to be following, after that go to the playground.
To get girls to follow you, go to where they meet and talk to them by clicking on their photo in the top corner of the screen.
then selencine: Follow me.
 

Comaco

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It's not a bug, it's proposed. You will understand in the future.
Is there any way to avoid this point, for those of us who have absolutely no interest in the male gender and feels like this is something forced on us against our wills?

I get that we don't really have a way to tell what the points even do yet, but just having a point feels like it says something about the MC I don't want.

I much prefer these games to become a choose your own adventure, instead of one where you can accidentally railroad yourself into a fetish you actively dislike by choosing the wrong options that aren't telegraphed.
 

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New Plans v0.021

Note: I decided to add an interim update to resolve issues and add more context to events, as well as some changes suggested by fans and staff.

Estimate, March 27th.

Day 01 - Afternoon (park)
  • DONE - add option to deny following guard Cooper;
  • DONE - add farewell event at the park entrance;
  • add event with Anny, Jimmy, Jenny and Salad in Hidden Horse;
  • DONE - add confrontation event with Jimmy;
  • DONE - add event learning Skate with Jimmy;
  • add ride home;
  • add masturbating Jenny in Jimmy's car;

Day 01 - Night:
  • DONE - Add more Anny's clothes (Player TShirt, PJ+Pantie, PJ+Jeans);
  • DONE - Add Conversation with Anny about her cloth;
  • DONE - Remove NTR on cellphone chat;
  • DONE - Add a mention from Bret at Alley's event about the player looking at his dick at the old station;
  • Add conversation with Anny about Jenny;
  • Add conversation with Anny about Jimmy;
  • Add conversation with Cameron over the phone;
  • DONE - add conversation with Lindsey by phone;
  • DONE - add start of the mission "Binoculars";
  • add taking Anny's cell phone from the dresser when she is sleeping;
  • add evening conversations between "Anny and Jenny" and "Anny and Jimmy";

Fixies:
  • DONE - Fix bug when removing Jenny's shirt;
  • DONE - Fix bald bug mentioning the photo when attacking Anny;
  • DONE - Fixed bug when Storm disappears during conversation in the alley;
  • DONE - Fixed bug where the Player remains standing, but Anny continues to sit in conversation in the morning at Tommy's apartment.

System & UI:
  • DONE - add cheat buttons to increase and decrease relationship points;
  • DONE - add a "skip" button when reading chats on your cell phone;
  • DONE - removal of the Gallery Menu (until further notice);
  • DONE - removal of the opening music (I've already reached my quota of destroyed eardrums, enough!)
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greono

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Is there any way to avoid this point, for those of us who have absolutely no interest in the male gender and feels like this is something forced on us against our wills?

I get that we don't really have a way to tell what the points even do yet, but just having a point feels like it says something about the MC I don't want.

I much prefer these games to become a choose your own adventure, instead of one where you can accidentally railroad yourself into a fetish you actively dislike by choosing the wrong options that aren't telegraphed.
I understand, but 1 Femininity points will have practically no influence on the MC. The points only start to take effect after 10 points.

There will be situations that the player cannot predict. Example, being robbed, being raped (not that this will happen deliberately), being beaten.

By the way. Do you know that the point of the game is that the MC will become a woman at some point? He will alternate between the two forms and will moderately change this when desired, but the first transformation happens without his control.

There is a story behind it and I need those elements. Two Sides' proposal has always been this and nothing has changed. 1 point of femininity will not make your character a sissy.
 

FatGiant

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I understand, but 1 Femininity points will have practically no influence on the MC. The points only start to take effect after 10 points.

There will be situations that the player cannot predict. Example, being robbed, being raped (not that this will happen deliberately), being beaten.

By the way. Do you know that the point of the game is that the MC will become a woman at some point? He will alternate between the two forms and will moderately change this when desired, but the first transformation happens without his control.

There is a story behind it and I need those elements. Two Sides' proposal has always been this and nothing has changed. 1 point of femininity will not make your character a sissy.
I was completely on board for that, you know... except... the only points of femininity were submissive to the point of being ridicule. Maybe try and set that path more attractive. It really wasn't. By this I don't mean you go overboard to the other extreme (that I hate even more) but to tone down on the submissiveness, that totally is NOT the same as femininity. Giving female points with assertive options is one of the solutions. Because you know, assertive women that are NOT domineering exist.

To be honest, that was the most flagrant turn-off of this game, the way you portrayed femininity.

Peace :(
 

Wilwock

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I was completely on board for that, you know... except... the only points of femininity were submissive to the point of being ridicule. Maybe try and set that path more attractive. It really wasn't. By this I don't mean you go overboard to the other extreme (that I hate even more) but to tone down on the submissiveness, that totally is NOT the same as femininity. Giving female points with assertive options is one of the solutions. Because you know, assertive women that are NOT domineering exist.

To be honest, that was the most flagrant turn-off of this game, the way you portrayed femininity.

Peace :(
Femininity making him submissive isn't ridiculous. Having less dominant masculine and more dominant feminine options basically means double the work. Having both be about the same would be boring.
 

FatGiant

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Femininity making him submissive isn't ridiculous. Having less dominant masculine and more dominant feminine options basically means double the work. Having both be about the same would be boring.
Boring to you. Minimally acceptable to me. I dislike the binary view of Domination. Both sides are horrible, I find nothing appealing on either.

Yes, I am aware that this is a quite lonely view point, but still, has valid as any other.

Peace :(
 
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greono

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I was completely on board for that, you know... except... the only points of femininity were submissive to the point of being ridicule. Maybe try and set that path more attractive. It really wasn't. By this I don't mean you go overboard to the other extreme (that I hate even more) but to tone down on the submissiveness, that totally is NOT the same as femininity. Giving female points with assertive options is one of the solutions. Because you know, assertive women that are NOT domineering exist.

To be honest, that was the most flagrant turn-off of this game, the way you portrayed femininity.

Peace :(
When defining what masculinity and femininity would be, I had to create some scenarios and decide.

Masculinity is related to male virility, imposing size, testosterone;

Femininity is related to delicacy, graceful bearing, progesterone;
 

FatGiant

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When defining what masculinity and femininity would be, I had to create some scenarios and decide.

Masculinity is related to male virility, imposing size, testosterone;

Femininity is related to delicacy, graceful bearing, progesterone;
That would be Ok, but why translate that into submissive and dominance to the point of vomit inducing levels that you have?

Look, it's your game, do it however you want. I am being critic of it, because you got me in with the type of game you promised in the description. Only to find out that all male interactions are mostly the guy being a fucking asshole, or female ones being a down on her knees waiting and wanting to be fucked nincompoop. Neither of those is right.

I am not against having different behaviors for males and females, just don't extremise everything. Your options are out of wack with what you promised, and clearly with what you set out to do.

Yes, I know you are using Porn Logic, but that only gets you to a Porn Game. And sorry, that isn't what you get from those intentions and Description.

Peace :(
 

greono

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That would be Ok, but why translate that into submissive and dominance to the point of vomit inducing levels that you have?

Look, it's your game, do it however you want. I am being critic of it, because you got me in with the type of game you promised in the description. Only to find out that all male interactions are mostly the guy being a fucking asshole, or female ones being a down on her knees waiting and wanting to be fucked nincompoop. Neither of those is right.

I am not against having different behaviors for males and females, just don't extremise everything. Your options are out of wack with what you promised, and clearly with what you set out to do.

Yes, I know you are using Porn Logic, but that only gets you to a Porn Game. And sorry, that isn't what you get from those intentions and Description.

Peace :(
A woman can have Masculine points, she could be an MMA fighter!
She can have Masculinity 100 and Femininity 100, she knows how to be a man when she needs to and a woman when she wants! The points talk about this.
Don't expect to have Masculinity 0 and Phenility 100 and want to act like a man. That won't happen.

If you evolve the game focusing only on the feminine side, the tendency will start to be more feminine! What's the problem with that?
The point is that you only want to see two poles, but the points are fluid, you can make several combinations.
 

greono

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That would be Ok, but why translate that into submissive and dominance to the point of vomit inducing levels that you have?

Look, it's your game, do it however you want. I am being critic of it, because you got me in with the type of game you promised in the description. Only to find out that all male interactions are mostly the guy being a fucking asshole, or female ones being a down on her knees waiting and wanting to be fucked nincompoop. Neither of those is right.

I am not against having different behaviors for males and females, just don't extremise everything. Your options are out of wack with what you promised, and clearly with what you set out to do.

Yes, I know you are using Porn Logic, but that only gets you to a Porn Game. And sorry, that isn't what you get from those intentions and Description.

Peace :(
Imagine that a woman with a high point of femininity is a model, charismatic, delicate.
and a woman with a high level of masculinity is a car mechanic, who wears overalls and loves to get dirty!

Now imagine that the same woman has stitches on both poles, she is a delicate model who loves fixing cars and has no problem breaking one or two nails.

I don't see any difficulty in understanding this.
 

FatGiant

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A woman can have Masculine points, she could be an MMA fighter!
She can have Masculinity 100 and Femininity 100, she knows how to be a man when she needs to and a woman when she wants! The points talk about this.
Don't expect to have Masculinity 0 and Phenility 100 and want to act like a man. That won't happen.

If you evolve the game focusing only on the feminine side, the tendency will start to be more feminine! What's the problem with that?
The point is that you only want to see two poles, but the points are fluid, you can make several combinations.
Damn it, you are NOT reading me.

I am NOT talking of the points and how they work. I am talking of HOW you get them.

The dialogue options that give points, both for male and female, are BAD. The only reasonable choices are the ones that give NO POINTS.


Imagine that a woman with a high point of femininity is a model, charismatic, delicate.
and a woman with a high level of masculinity is a car mechanic, who wears overalls and loves to get dirty!

Now imagine that the same woman has stitches on both poles, she is a delicate model who loves fixing cars and has no problem breaking one or two nails.

I don't see any difficulty in understanding this.
The difficulty is the getting of those points with BAD choices.

You keep defending the wrong argument. I am NOT against the points system, I am against the Dialogue options that get you the points.

You see nothing wrong, I see nothing right. There wasn't many Female points to get with a MINIMUM of dignity. All options for them were really, really bad. The Male points were given with abusive and asshole options.

Do you understand NOW?

Temper those down. As it is right now, the game is going nowhere near your supposed vision. The only females will be extremely submissive, and the males over domineering assholes. That's what comes out of the options you made them choose to get the points that they need for either.

So, if a player is attracted to the Male options he'll NEVER choose the Female ones. And vice-versa. Because they are Polar opposites right now.

And, TO ME, they are unbearable, both. So, either people play this as a points game, fuck the story, fuck the options, I'll min-max everything and save scum to get all content. Or, they'll play the polars, because, the middle of the road options don't give points to advance the story or complete quests.

I repeat: The problem is not WHAT the points DO, is WHAT you have to DO to get the points.

You may argue until you are dead that points allows this and that, but if you don't fix the options that attribute points, no one will ever see the game as you think it will go.

Do what you want, the game isn't what you write about. And will never be if you can't understand the criticism.

Peace :(
 

greono

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Damn it, you are NOT reading me.

I am NOT talking of the points and how they work. I am talking of HOW you get them.

The dialogue options that give points, both for male and female, are BAD. The only reasonable choices are the ones that give NO POINTS.




The difficulty is the getting of those points with BAD choices.

You keep defending the wrong argument. I am NOT against the points system, I am against the Dialogue options that get you the points.

You see nothing wrong, I see nothing right. There wasn't many Female points to get with a MINIMUM of dignity. All options for them were really, really bad. The Male points were given with abusive and asshole options.

Do you understand NOW?

Temper those down. As it is right now, the game is going nowhere near your supposed vision. The only females will be extremely submissive, and the males over domineering assholes. That's what comes out of the options you made them choose to get the points that they need for either.

So, if a player is attracted to the Male options he'll NEVER choose the Female ones. And vice-versa. Because they are Polar opposites right now.

And, TO ME, they are unbearable, both. So, either people play this as a points game, fuck the story, fuck the options, I'll min-max everything and save scum to get all content. Or, they'll play the polars, because, the middle of the road options don't give points to advance the story or complete quests.

I repeat: The problem is not WHAT the points DO, is WHAT you have to DO to get the points.

You may argue until you are dead that points allows this and that, but if you don't fix the options that attribute points, no one will ever see the game as you think it will go.

Do what you want, the game isn't what you write about. And will never be if you can't understand the criticism.

Peace :(
I understand your points of view. I will pay attention to this issue from now on.
 
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