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VN Ren'Py UNDAWN: Shackles Of Eternity [Prologue] [Kind Nightmares]

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Toubib

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Anyone know how android ports work? I don't like playing AVNs on PC and this one hasn't been ported yet so I'd lowkey be down to just do it myself if it's not too much of a hassle. Surely it's not as simple as taking the main file and changing to apk?
 

sabadongelov

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Got confirmation from Kind, deff no rape or anything along those lines are going to happen here.
Too bad from my perspective, but then we know. Then my next hope is that this doesn't devolve into the sad harem trope were you only get to do evil towards men and boys (and maybe ugly women).

Confirmation from dev, she will use her pussy but it will be rare.
Well that's good at least.
 

dolfe67

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Too bad from my perspective, but then we know. Then my next hope is that this doesn't devolve into the sad harem trope were you only get to do evil towards men and boys (and maybe ugly women).
Well it's not evil but you can refuse to help the herbalist's shop's clerk. It's nice to have the option to be able to do "evil" things to babes, but ultimately it's up to the player. And I bet 99% of players will be nice towards babes and not necessarily towards the others. You would have to make a babe really evil, especially towards the MC, for the players to want to kill her.
 

crackheaded_d

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Well it's not evil but you can refuse to help the herbalist's shop's clerk. It's nice to have the option to be able to do "evil" things to babes, but ultimately it's up to the player. And I bet 99% of players will be nice towards babes and not necessarily towards the others. You would have to make a babe really evil, especially towards the MC, for the players to want to kill her.
Well, it's not that I liked the first girl with whom we had sex, but I did it to see our heroine naked. :HideThePain: :KEK:
 

JoePeach

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Maybe no one cares, but am I the only one who thinks the duke’s story kinda reminds me of Dracula’s?
And that gang the mc killed, I can’t remember the guy’s name, feels way too much like a darker version of Robin Hood’s band. :unsure:
 

dolfe67

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Maybe no one cares, but am I the only one who thinks the duke’s story kinda reminds me of Dracula’s?
And that gang the mc killed, I can’t remember the guy’s name, feels way too much like a darker version of Robin Hood’s band. :unsure:
No shit sherlock! Sorry but yes there are inspiratons from other stories and folklores.
 

sabadongelov

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Well it's not evil but you can refuse to help the herbalist's shop's clerk. It's nice to have the option to be able to do "evil" things to babes, but ultimately it's up to the player. And I bet 99% of players will be nice towards babes and not necessarily towards the others. You would have to make a babe really evil, especially towards the MC, for the players to want to kill her.
No, refusing to murder for the shop-keeper is not remotly evil, and the MC even frames it as a service to the shop-keeper rather than telling the shop keeper to go fuck herself for asking the MC to be an accomplice to murder.

As for the rest of your reasoning, that’s basically why we got so many spineless simp MCs that can do nothing but simp, simp and simp yet again. ”We got to be nice to the ladies”. Urgh.

There are so many solutions to this:

1. The MC do not need to fuck every woman he/she comes across. This might sound like a novel idea in this context, but most male characters that the MC doesn’t fuck (but might murder, beat up or otherwise treat like shit) could be switched for female characters the MC doesn’t fuck. In this version of the game, there is a total of four male characters that the player is given the choice of killing (one mercy kill, three murders). Every single one could just as well have been female. So, for instance, the inquisitors son could have been a daughter and the shopkeepers husband could have been a wife, or, if lesbianism is not accepted in this fantasy world, an overbearing mother or step-mother (would have worked age wise too). An easy way to create a bit more variety and to not be so predictable and silly. And I don't mean that it should have been done in this version of the game, it is fine that it is only dudes this far. But if it keeps up and the bodies that keep pililing up are all men, it becomes silly and trope:y

2. But even having fucked a woman does not preclude the MC from treating her like shit or killing her at a later date. Either simply because the MC is an uncaring and amoral fuck him-/herself (like the MC in this game is described as being) who simply do not feel any loyalty towards women he/she fucked just because he/she fucked them, or because the woman betrayed the MC (or did some other similar bad thing) in the first place and gave the MC a reason for taking revenge.

3. Fucking does also not have to be gated behind being nice and deferential. In fact, sometimes, being an abrasive and selfish asshole can work to the advantage of the person who wants to fuck a certain woman, because some women are attracted by that. Or, if you want to take it even further, the MC can go for the non-consent route and get the sex even if the women in question hate him/her. Now that will not be happening in this game, as it has been confirmed that the Dev will not include anything like that. But it is absolutely a way to do it, *WHEN* the MC is supposed to be an evil/amoral fuck.

To give three examples, I am sure there are more.

Finally, I do agree that it is best when being evil is a choice for the player, rather than automatically given. But it goes both ways, I also prefer to be able to choose be a do-good:er rather than having the role forced upon me by the dev.
 
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sabadongelov

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If you've played the devs first game it will be pretty much like that.
Well, I haven’t, since the MC in that game lacks certain bits that I prefer the MC to have. So, did the MC of that game kill/beat up/do other types of evil stuff towards women, or was it only men who got the stick?
 

stahalle

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Well, I haven’t, since the MC in that game lacks certain bits that I prefer the MC to have. So, did the MC of that game kill/beat up/do other types of evil stuff towards women, or was it only men who got the stick?
all male. i guess this devs games are just not for you.
 

sabadongelov

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all male. i guess this devs games are just not for you.
Yeah, in that case it does indeed seems like it, which is too bad. Spineless simp MC or manhating radfem revenge fantasy? I guess it doesn't really matter, either one will make it unbearable in the long run, if you ask me. But each to their own.
 
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