Unfuckable female character?

[Dr. Ronald Leopold]

Hey, everybody. I'm interested in this question: is it possible (without it being gameover for the player) to add an adult attractive female character to an adult visual novel, important to the plot but not make her a love interest? Has this been done before and, if so, how was it received by the players? How would you personally feel about having a female character important to the story but not being able to have a romance with her, given that the game features other attractive female characters who ARE a love interest.

Example: The main character has a sister who acts as a friend, advisor, or just a sister, but is NOT a love interest, hence no incest.

The sister can be replaced with a childhood friend, a coworker, a friend's girlfriend, and so on.

And a follow-up question: If an attractive female character who is NOT a love interest but is in a relationship with another male character, but their love life goes on without the player seeing it, how would you feel about that?

I know that from player to player preferences are different and tastes differ, but I'm asking each of you personally. I'd like to hear your answer.

In God among Kings you have a sister and you can't fuck her [For now, at least].
There was also a game that i played some years ago (Don't remember the name) , where a mc's friend has his own relation with a girl.
I personally don't care much about it, I wouldn't be bothered.

 

[kytee]

Best thing you can do is make her ugly, or make her super plain and make your other female characters significantly more attractive. I've played a VN or two before where I assumed I'd be able to pursue one of the prominent female NPC's and was pissed when I couldn't. It's worse when the developer understands this and purposely strings you along with no intentions of ever letting you have her.

 

[kidoman]

Here's the reality: the majority of players wouldn't be too keen on it. In an adult game, where the goal is ultimately for the player to get off, having a pretty woman who ISN'T available for romance/sex is just needless taunting. Like putting out a dessert buffet then telling everybody the cake isn't for eating. Sure, folks will enjoy the ice cream, the donuts, the pie, the cookies, etc., but that big cake is still gonna be there taunting everyone. And while it'll probably irk most guests to some degree or other, for the cake aficionados it's going to be a HUGE problem.

If this is a question for a game you're thinking about developing, ask yourself why you're thinking about creating such a character. To buck the trends? To screw with your potential player-base? Because you want to insert a character you created that you're fond of but don't want to have her 'lewded'? Because honestly there's no real good reason that I can think of to do such a thing. The amount of people who would applaud the decision would be VASTLY outnumbered by the people pissed by the decision. In fact, I think the most you could hope for from most players is apathy/indifference to the character's lack of availability.

 

[tanstaafl]

Here's the reality: the majority of players wouldn't be too keen on it. In an adult game, where the goal is ultimately for the player to get off, having a pretty woman who ISN'T available for romance/sex is just needless taunting. Like putting out a dessert buffet then telling everybody the cake isn't for eating. Sure, folks will enjoy the ice cream, the donuts, the pie, the cookies, etc., but that big cake is still gonna be there taunting everyone. And while it'll probably irk most guests to some degree or other, for the cake aficionados it's going to be a HUGE problem.

If this is a question for a game you're thinking about developing, ask yourself why you're thinking about creating such a character. To buck the trends? To screw with your potential player-base? Because you want to insert a character you created that you're fond of but don't want to have her 'lewded'? Because honestly there's no real good reason that I can think of to do such a thing. The amount of people who would applaud the decision would be VASTLY outnumbered by the people pissed by the decision. In fact, I think the most you could hope for from most players is apathy/indifference to the character's lack of availability.

Nah, this is wrong. Why? Because some of the games listed here as examples that have unsexable females are some incredibly popular games. Did people comment on being salty about it? Sure. Are they still some incredibly popular games anyway despite you (and a vocal minority) being salty about it? Yes, yes they are.

 

[Ass prefer]

"Unfuckable female character?"
What the fuck is this? If there is a woman in the game, she must be fucked in all holes.

 

[Ying Ko]

Nah, this is wrong. Why? Because some of the games listed here as examples that have unsexable females are some incredibly popular games. Did people comment on being salty about it? Sure. Are they still some incredibly popular games anyway despite you (and a vocal minority) being salty about it? Yes, yes they are.

They're popular despite the "unsexable" characters, not because of them, they could have been more popular without such unnecessary cockteasing, similarly to games that have NTR added in the eleventh hour. If the developer then decides to make a second game, that developer will met with a smaller player base, hesitant to support the cocktease developer.

 

[cool.mint]

I'd think that if you make it clear that it's not going to happen then it shouldn't be a problem. You only run into problems if there is an expectation that doesn't get met.

 

[researchpurposes]

Why would you want that in the first place?

 

[cool.mint]

Why would you want that in the first place?

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[tanstaafl]

They're popular despite the "unsexable" characters, not because of them, they could have been more popular without such unnecessary cockteasing, similarly to games that have NTR added in the eleventh hour. If the developer then decides to make a second game, that developer will met with a smaller player base, hesitant to support the cocktease developer.

Do you have any idea how pathetic this makes you sound? "Woman exists" -> "Unnecessary cockteasing"

Edit: And the fact that you 1. Automatically bring up NTR if there's a girl you can't have sex with. 2. Think a developer like Braindrop would have a smaller following because he dared make a game with literal dozes of women that are fuckable, but one you can't gives the level of how pathetic you are an almost exponential quality.

 

[kidoman]

Do you have any idea how pathetic this makes you sound? "Woman exists" -> "Unnecessary cockteasing"

Edit: And the fact that you 1. Automatically bring up NTR if there's a girl you can't have sex with. 2. Think a developer like Braindrop would have a smaller following because he dared make a game with literal dozes of women that are fuckable, but one you can't gives the level of how pathetic you are an almost exponential quality.

Sure, it sounds 'pathetic' in a void, but you're ignoring context. In a porn game that is ultimately intended for jacking off to, any attractive/appealing female character is there for sexual gratification. I don't know why you're so indignant about that concept for a **porn game.** And as Ying Ko mentioned, those games are popular in spite of the unsexable characters, not because of them. You can't honestly think that anybody is looking at the attractive, appealing characters that they can't get with and think "I'm really happy that I can't do anything with this woman in this porn game, I'm glad the developer made such a bold move!' Anybody who unironically thinks that (if they even exist) is in a very, VERY tiny minority. I don't think I've ever seen that sentiment expressed in the comments section of any of those games (not to say they haven't, but they're rare enough that I haven't seen them). It's a very bizarre decision on the game developers part and it has a virtually zero percent chance of making anybody like the game more, and a very solid chance of making people like the game less. It's not a risk vs reward scenario, it's all risk no reward.

Does an attractive woman existing in reality automatically make her a 'cocktease' if she's not available/into you? Of course not, that's a twisted mindset to have. But porn games aren't reality, they're meant to be fantasies. Even the more 'realistic' ones are still sexual fantasies and wish-fulfillment scenarios. And the only people who include women they can't have in their sexual fantasies are cuckolds, and unless the NTR crowd is your target audience there's zero point in having a female character who isn't available to the player.

 

[tanstaafl]

Sure, it sounds 'pathetic' in a void, but you're ignoring context. In a porn game that is ultimately intended for jacking off to, any attractive/appealing female character is there for sexual gratification. I don't know why you're so indignant about that concept for a **porn game.** And as Ying Ko mentioned, those games are popular in spite of the unsexable characters, not because of them. You can't honestly think that anybody is looking at the attractive, appealing characters that they can't get with and think "I'm really happy that I can't do anything with this woman in this porn game, I'm glad the developer made such a bold move!' Anybody who unironically thinks that (if they even exist) is in a very, VERY tiny minority. I don't think I've ever seen that sentiment expressed in the comments section of any of those games (not to say they haven't, but they're rare enough that I haven't seen them). It's a very bizarre decision on the game developers part and it has a virtually zero percent chance of making anybody like the game more, and a very solid chance of making people like the game less. It's not a risk vs reward scenario, it's all risk no reward.

Does an attractive woman existing in reality automatically make her a 'cocktease' if she's not available/into you? Of course not, that's a twisted mindset to have. But porn games aren't reality, they're meant to be fantasies. Even the more 'realistic' ones are still sexual fantasies and wish-fulfillment scenarios. And the only people who include women they can't have in their sexual fantasies are cuckolds, and unless the NTR crowd is your target audience there's zero point in having a female character who isn't available to the player.

No. This site has thousands of games. Most harem games (the majority of the games listed on this thread are harem games so I'm using it as a base line.) that have been out for a good time have a lot of sexable LIs. Insert ONE pixel clump that you can't sex up and you all start talking about a dev ruining their careers. It's not pathetic "in a void" it's pathetic full stop. No qualifier needed. You can stop arguing your case now, there is literally nothing you can pull out of your ass that will make me think you are any less pathetic than I already think you are.

 

[Writefuck]

I made a game where the antagonist is basically a gang leader, and I made the leader a woman for variety's sake I guess. Probably the loudest and most consistent criticism I got was not being able to romance the villain. In a game where you can fuck multiple girls, the audience is going to just assume they can fuck anyone who gets at least a moderate amount of screen time. Not giving the audience what they expect is maybe a bad thing. Even though I made her evil and unlikable, and even gave her very plain art, people still wanted to fuck her.

 

[tanstaafl]

I made a game where the antagonist is basically a gang leader, and I made the leader a woman for variety's sake I guess. Probably the loudest and most consistent criticism I got was not being able to romance the villain. In a game where you can fuck multiple girls, the audience is going to just assume they can fuck anyone who gets at least a moderate amount of screen time. Not giving the audience what they expect is maybe a bad thing. Even though I made her evil and unlikable, and even gave her very plain art, people still wanted to fuck her.

Wanting to fuck her is fine. Complaining about it on a forum is fine. When they start getting into lengthy debates arguing every possible side, bring in other fetishes as contrasts, philosophize on the concept of fantasy games, and extrapolate on the the success overall of devs making said games...All with the goal to explain just why every single female that exists in a game is required to be fuckable. THAT is where they cross over into the wasteland of the pathetic.

 

[desmosome]

In most cases, I'd like the option to see any hot models in a sex scene (by MC or NTR IDGAF), and doubly so for major characters featured in the plot, but I'm not an entitled child. I can respect devs that want to add a character for, god forbid, plot and character development reasons.

 

[Writefuck]

Wanting to fuck her is fine. Complaining about it on a forum is fine. When they start getting into lengthy debates arguing every possible side, bring in other fetishes as contrasts, philosophize on the concept of fantasy games, and extrapolate on the the success overall of devs making said games...All with the goal to explain just why every single female that exists in a game is required to be fuckable. THAT is where they cross over into the wasteland of the pathetic.

I dunno, I think having fans have lengthy debates about one's original characters is a sign that the writing is good and strikes an emotional chord with the audience. Even if the debate is just long ramblings about being horny.

 

[kidoman]

No. This site has thousands of games. Most harem games (the majority of the games listed on this thread are harem games so I'm using it as a base line.) that have been out for a good time have a lot of sexable LIs. Insert ONE pixel clump that you can't sex up and you all start talking about a dev ruining their careers. It's not pathetic "in a void" it's pathetic full stop. No qualifier needed. You can stop arguing your case now, there is literally nothing you can pull out of your ass that will make me think you are any less pathetic than I already think you are.

I just realized you've yet to provide any reason that having an 'unsexable' female character in a porn game would be a good idea. Or if you have it was lost in the sea of your aggressive diatribe. My point isn't whether the mindset is 'pathetic' (I don't think it is, but that's not what I'm debating here), my point is that there's no discernible benefit to including attractive female characters in a porn game that aren't available to the player. I've laid out the reasons why I think that's the case, I'd be curious to know your reasoning why you disagree beyond thinking the (large amount of) people who think so are 'pathetic'.

The nature of your responses make me wonder if it's personal for you, but I've no clue if that's the case (or what circumstances would make this particular issue personal in the first place). At any rate I think you'll find your opinion is not the majority, and you can rail against the adult games crowd and call people 'pathetic' all you please but it's not going to change the reality that if there is any benefit to making an 'unsexable' female character in a porn game (which I doubt), it will be vastly outweighed by the negatives.

 

[Ying Ko]

Do you have any idea how pathetic this makes you sound? "Woman exists" -> "Unnecessary cockteasing"

pixel clump

Schrödinger's Love Interest, is she just pixels or is she a real woman? I guess it depends on what's expedient for the given argument the NTR fan wants to make.

Sure, it sounds 'pathetic' in a void, but you're ignoring context.

Context is king.

Edit: And the fact that you 1. Automatically bring up NTR if there's a girl you can't have sex with.

"Close but no cigar." My point was that designing an attractive female character, making her a banner girl and teasing your player base with her is a highly unpopular thing to do, especially if you're developing a vanilla HAREM game, much like adding NTR.

2. Think a developer like Braindrop would have a smaller following because he dared make a game with literal dozes of women that are fuckable, but one you can't gives the level of how pathetic you are an almost exponential quality.

Foot of the Mountains was very popular too, SerialNumberComics did something unpopular in the eleventh hour, add NTR, his game still seemed very popular though. However, once FotM ended his supporter numbers shrank, considerably, his new game is nowhere near as popular.

 

[tanstaafl]

I just realized you've yet to provide any reason that having an 'unsexable' female character in a porn game would be a good idea.

But that's beside the point. If you think it will make the story better, then do it. Don't worry about other games.

 

[tanstaafl]

The nature of your responses make me wonder if it's personal for you, but I've no clue if that's the case (or what circumstances would make this particular issue personal in the first place).

Personal? No. But I find your entire way of thinking pathetic. It's hard to not think that way, the entitlement you must carry to believe that devs must bow to your way of thinking. The thought that they can't just do something in their own creation without your entitled ass thinking they owe you the pussy.