Unfuckable female character?

Doorknob22

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Hey, everybody. I'm interested in this question: is it possible (without it being gameover for the player) to add an adult attractive female character to an adult visual novel, important to the plot but not make her a love interest? Has this been done before and, if so, how was it received by the players? How would you personally feel about having a female character important to the story but not being able to have a romance with her, given that the game features other attractive female characters who ARE a love interest.

Example: The main character has a sister who acts as a friend, advisor, or just a sister, but is NOT a love interest, hence no incest.

The sister can be replaced with a childhood friend, a coworker, a friend's girlfriend, and so on.

And a follow-up question: If an attractive female character who is NOT a love interest but is in a relationship with another male character, but their love life goes on without the player seeing it, how would you feel about that?

I know that from player to player preferences are different and tastes differ, but I'm asking each of you personally. I'd like to hear your answer.
I have an idea which I'll probably never have to develop about a VN centering about a single dad and his daughter where they secretly lust after another but won't fulfill their desires, so the daughter gets off by hooking her dad with her (girl)friends, colleagues etc' and having him fuck them instead.
 

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It doesn't really matter, if she exists in any form you feel you are entitled to fuck her. Right?
The only person to bring up either banners or NTR is you. Are you arguing with yourself right now?
My original post.
In the past, the inclusion of off limits "landladies" have ruined experiences, that I would have otherwise enjoyed if they had never been introduced.
I like many others, perhaps all, click on threads if we see a lady we find attractive. Otherwise, generally, we scroll past. Banners, and what you put on them, are important.
Why did I mention "landladies", because they are my favorite love interest and usually, the reason I play these games. Now why would I be playing games where she was off limits, because the developers had failed to mention anywhere that she was off limits. If the dev mentions it, from moment one or two, in op, or on patron, or in the thread that's fine, I'll set the thread to ignore, they won't hear a peep from me. But those that don't are deceptive people, who willingly benefit from an audience they will never cater to. Deceptive developers, and their defenders are the ones I have umbrage with.
 
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Ah, WVM. Haven't played it in a year or so. It would help if you actually mentioned what game you were talking about. So, ok fine, I'll retract delusional and declare you are just pathetic.
 

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Ah, WVM. Haven't played it in a year or so. It would help if you actually mentioned what game you were talking about. So, ok fine, I'll retract delusional and declare you are just pathetic.
You are very kind, did you know about this?
 

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ALL WOMEN SHOULD BE FUCKED AND FILLED WITH CUM.
Why do I now have the idea of a gme with a MC that work in a retirement home? Of course the place is filled with the retirement home staff and residnent - both male and female. The later would be 70 to 100 or little more old people.
So have fun.:BootyTime:
 
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Why do I now have the idea of a gme with a MC that work in a retirement home? Of course the place is filled with the retirement home staff and residnent - both male and female. The later would be 70 to 100 or little more old people.
So have fun.:BootyTime:
I wish you could die with that idea tonight.
 

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It depends on the context and situation as well as the kind of story and game you are going for. For example there is nothing fundamentally wrong about having ufuckable female characters in a game that is heavily story driven. Doubly so if the story is linear and guiding you toward a particular romance. Indeed in such a situation you actually want the only sex scenes to be with the designated love interest. But if it's a harem game with an excuse plot that only serves to drive you to the next sex scene that's another thing entirely.

And obviously these are extremes but I think I've made the point.
 

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I predict that if MC ever has sex with NANA the game falls off precipitously and thus the developer will never allow it to happen. Just random food for thought on this fun little thread.

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I predict that if MC ever has sex with NANA the game falls off precipitously and thus the developer will never allow it to happen. Just random food for thought on this fun little thread.

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Never touched that game, it felt like a spiritual successor to WVM, as if it had been made by the same developer.
 

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Never touched that game, it felt like a spiritual successor to WVM, as if it had been made by the same developer.
I honestly don't disagree with you there, the only real difference between the two is that the MC of Grandma's House lays down the law moreso than WVM...and Nana is like 80 of course. I haven't played either in the last few updates. And, honestly, when harem's get to certain sizes it becomes more a cult game than a harem game and I find those annoying. I commented the same thing on Reunion.


Have to say, while I do really like this story, it is a bit tiring that most harem games these days stop being harem games and become cult games. I'm losing count of the number of times the line that is basically "Trust in MC" (paraphrased, but meaning is same) is dropped in this game.
 
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I honestly don't disagree with you there, the only real difference between the two is that the MC of Grandma's House lays down the law moreso than WVM...and Nana is like 80 of course. I haven't played either in the last few updates. And, honestly, when harem's get to certain sizes it becomes more a cult game than a harem game and I find those annoying. I commented the same thing on Reunion.
I think Talothral's games are some of the few consistent exceptions where huge harems somehow stay "grounded" and keep plot integrity. I'd say they're more adult games than porn games.

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Many people here think every adult game's a porn game and should follow porn logic. Most games on this site probably are, but there are a few ones that are styled adult games but not porn games. These are often targeted with whining by the forever horny crowd, who often find the idea there could be something like a non-porn adult game pretentious. Yeah those guys aren't high in empathy.

It's probably true that it doesn't make the most commercial sense to reject porn logic, but most devs don't bring in loads of money anyway. Not everything has to be a money making effort, and it's sad if you think it has to be.




Most of what you write assumes that you are talking about a porn game, so a game where porn's the core purpose. Later you mention adult games, but I don't know if you assume all adult games are porn games. But you sure don't eliminate that impression.

There's any number of reasons it'd be a good idea, those reasons usually involve plot and narrative. You know, like, the stuff porn games absolutely suck at and most other adult games aren't doing too great either. Maybe she's an antagonist and a normal relation wouldn't make sense and it doesn't fit the MC's character to rape her. Maybe she's a relative and it isn't an incest game. Maybe she's already someone's partner and it isn't a netori game.


Well that'd happen anyway, if she's like fuckable or unfuckable. :WeSmart: Coomers gonna coom.
Now that's a valid point, I was thinking purely in terms of porn games as opposed to games targeted at adults that have explicit sex (like Katawa Shoujo, I'm guessing you mean, which is a fantastic VN in my book). I tend to avoid story-heavy adult games because usually if I'm in the market for something with depictions of explicit sexual acts I'm not really in the market for spending a lot of time reading. There are exceptions of course. Once in a Lifetime, Eternum, and Desert Stalker are three games I can think of off of the top of my head that actually hooked me with their stories to the point that I forgot to jerk my gherkin. But since most people are searching for adult games for the purpose of sexual gratification I imagine it's a tall hurtle to overcome. Your story doesn't just have to be good enough to be generally interesting, it has to be good enough to override your audience's hornyness.

If your story is good enough to stand on its own then one could argue that putting explicit sexual content into it could do more harm than good, whereas if it's not good enough to stand on its own and the game is very story-heavy then your story will just be an obstacle to the 'good' stuff, which isn't going to do a dev any favors.

I'll always support the notion that devs should make the game THEY want to play first, as a passion project. If it's something they would want to play, then there are other people who would want to play it as well (...probably). But the OP asked, and I gave an answer. The reality is there's going to be people who aren't happy about it, and the dev has to decide for themselves if the fairly unpopular decision they're going to make for their game is important enough to take a potentially smaller following than they might otherwise have had.

It's also why I presented potential alternatives. For example, if it's a non-incest game, how important is it that the girl is your sibling? And if it's important for them to be family, how important is it that they're female rather than male? That sort of thing. Whether the desire to bang all female characters in a game is 'pathetic' or 'wrong' isn't really important to this particular situation, I don't think. What's important is whether it will happen or not, and the answer is that it will definitely happen. And I just wanted the OP to have all the info, since I assume they're doing research for a potential game they want to make.
 
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It depends on the context and situation as well as the kind of story and game you are going for. For example there is nothing fundamentally wrong about having ufuckable female characters in a game that is heavily story driven. Doubly so if the story is linear and guiding you toward a particular romance. Indeed in such a situation you actually want the only sex scenes to be with the designated love interest. But if it's a harem game with an excuse plot that only serves to drive you to the next sex scene that's another thing entirely.

And obviously these are extremes but I think I've made the point.
Dang, you just summed it all up right here in a singular, succinct paragraph. This right here is all the facts in one place.
 
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