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weirdanime
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You're sure about the Russian thing or do you think "Slavic" and say "Russian"?
firevoodoo
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Well, I just stumbled upon this game, didn’t read the whole thread and I just assumed it is common knowledge author is Russian (since it is obvious from reading all those literally translated Russian idioms). Let’s pick one of my early saves.
“Lord… all are good as a selection” – very weird for English ear, easily recognizable Google translation of Russian idiom «все хороши как на подбор» - very common since Pushkin. To be honest I spent some time picking appropriate translation and the best I came up with is “each of them is as beautiful as another one” or something. And is very clumsy one. The way to translate idiom is to pick corresponding idiom which is hell of a task.
While “talking in riddles” («говоришь загадками») is grammatically correct phrase it is not nearly as common in English, as it is in Russian.
“In life, anything can happen” – yet another example of literal Google translation of Russian idiom («Всякое в жизни случается (бывает)»).
I don’t know where am I in terms of progression, I just chased away that douche husband of Carol’s. But so far I encountered dozens of literal translations of Russian idioms and I wonder why not to present Russian original. I have my guesses though=)
twiztid
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People are complaining about the English in this game, let's take a step back and compair it to other games. The english is better than 99% of the other games as for as grammer goes.
dolfe67
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Hey guys been playing this game for a while I have a bug where it says I can text sara but it doesn't give me the option to choose a text or respond does any1 also have this bug and if so whats the fix
weirdanime
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Well the two latter ones can be found in Polish so I'm assuming they might work in Ukrainian and Belarussian too. But you're right, it's pretty probable that the author is Russian. I didn't notice the first one but it's quite interesting. I agree that it's a horrible translation but I disagree that you have to choose a corresponding idiom in the target language since not always there is one. Sometimes translators translate by sense in one place and then compensate several sentences later by putting some other idiom where in the source text there was none. I would go with ”Each more gorgeous than the next” and call it a day.
firevoodoo
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I’m not sure about Polish, but I respectfully disagree on Ukrainian or Belarusian guess. 1) I happen to know both and neither phrases endemic to them 2) Lets be real both are dead languages and predominantly used for governmental purposes. Creators in both countries overwhelmingly use Russian.
I would not call translation horrible per se. It’s fine …most of the time. Google made great progress as translation tool, let’s give them that. I’m just curious as to why not to provide Russian “translation” which is obviously original source. I assumed (as newbie to this thread) It was discussed earlier and I was fishing for an answer.
I like your translation more as well=)
dolfe67
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A lot of devs write directly in english and don't bother with their native language, it adds a bit more work (translating in renpy) for not much gain. The audience is international anyways
weirdanime
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Welp, using Russian does not equal being Russian.
Anyway, thanks for the insight about those two languages because my knowledge about eastern Slavic languages is pretty mediocre.I only meant that one sentence. I find the rest quite reasonable.
Actually there are translation tools that are much better than Google Translate. The best one out there is DeepL, I believe. I just threw those three phrases at it and got:
все хороши как на подбор - all good as can be / all are as good as can be
говоришь загадками - you speak in riddles
Всякое в жизни случается - All kinds of things happen in life
Apart from the need of present continuous in the second one, I'd say these are really good. If devs used that instead of GT the games would benefit tremendously.
Hey, thanks!
If you want to compare it to the worst ones, then sure. I would also note that you have misspelled several words in your post. You might not be the best judge in this instance.
There are many points in this game where I literally am not sure what was intended by the dialog. Is it as bad as "A Mother's Love" where there are countless sentences that actually say the opposite of what was intended, maybe not. But it is pretty bad.
I want to like this game, but the translation is really bad. It would be a better game with a better translation.
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The second is in French too:
For the two others. I don't think he exist in French.
For the translation i already see worst. For me his not so bad.
All the time i see people whining about the quality of the English. Do you realise how is hard learning and speaking (or writing in this case) a foreign language?
I have a response ready for this situation when people complain about my English. Write me in French at the same level you ask me for my English and i try hard to make an effort in my side.
It is now over 10 years since I started to launch this challenge. No one has picked it up yet.
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6.5e for Win stable. No problems when the exe is run as admin.
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Am I dumb and blind or did went something wrong uploading the extendend version 0.6.5 here?
I am wondering because the game request threat is moved to complete but this threat here already named basic and provides still the links to the 0.6.5 basic version of the game...
I am wondering because the game request threat is moved to complete but this threat here already named basic and provides still the links to the 0.6.5 basic version of the game...
Obviously it is hard to write in a foreign language. But isn't the goal to improve? Or do you just stop trying to improve?
The difficulty of writing in a non-native language doesn't somehow mean the reader can overlook the problems.
I watch a lot of foreign movies and TV shows (foreign from my point of view), but if the sub titles are bad then it just doesn't work. Most of these visual novels require a lot of time reading so it isn't any different. If the translation is too awkward then it just wears out the reader.
The fact that the translation is difficult to read or not very well done isn't a slight on the writer. Sometimes people need help. There comes a point where a lot of visual novels need to find a proof reader that can help clean up the writing.
The fact of the matter is that they typical visual novel has a LOT of text. The translation and writing doesn't have to be perfect, but if it is uncanny or odd then it really detracts from the whole project.
We aren't talking about basic communication here. A person's mastery of a language doesn't really matter when people are tying to communicate. But when you are trying to create a piece of art that requires a person to spend multiple hours reading your text then it does start to matter more and more.
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What you're saying is fair enough, but honestly that kind of thing doesn't really bother me for some reason. At least the dialogue/characters are decently written. Half of these games have the most annoying dialogue where the dev clearly thinks its hilarious. Or the anime inspired games where the characters are literally just copy/pasted archetypes.
The grammar police is out in force today, as a non-native yet fluent speaker can't say i find anything egregious about this game.