VN Ren'Py Victoria in Big City [v0.6.5] [Groovers Games]

[smarty101]

Yeah the lesbian content is a lie, and really, the choices overall. You're still getting forced into a bunch of stuff, it's just about how far she ends up going. That's it.

yep, forced to be a slut, shame because it started out pretty good.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I fear you may be right - we've been waiting for this update for how long? And it only featured a scene with 1 "old" character, and 1 "new" one. And as much as I enjoy Ben's path - nobody else got anything.

Just yesterday, on the game's Discord, I was arguing how every game (even these FMC Corruption AVNs) needs to work towards an ending - and with 0.6.5, we should be somewhere near the half-point at least.

You can imagine how many fans stepped in and said they just want more of Veronica, no matter how long the game lasts .

I think this game will keep drifting aimlessly for the next year, each update only adding more and more characters and "paths"... until the dev gets bored and wraps it up in 1 or 2 updates in a rush.

Adding so many characters and situations possible never worked out well: BaDIK shouldn't be a standard to aspire to - but a warning what to avoid.

It's a mistake to believe that the numbering of updates, bears any relation to the expected lifespan of a game. Just because version 1.0.0 is the ending in certain games, doesn't mean it will be in all of them. I remember recently someone suggesting that 'Anna Exciting Affection' was obviously approaching it's end, because it was now v0.9.5. But of course Chapter 1 of this game on it's own, finished on v2.0.0, so in effect we were actually approaching v3.0.0. The numbering means nothing, unless a Dev specifically says it does.

The Dev of this game though, does have history of biting off far more than he can chew, as was clearly demonstrated during his ill-fated attempt to completely revamp the game, which resulted in us going nowhere for a year, before embarrassingly having to return to the original game, despite numerous overblown statements about how amazing the new game was ultimately going to be. So it should be no surprise, that he's getting a bit carried away again and expanding the plot. I'm guessing that's just the way he is and we just have to accept it, if we want this game to continue.

The game may never get finished, but that's unfortunately the fate of the majority of games on this site, so he'll be in good company, if that in fact is where this game ends up. Let's face it, the fact it's actually been around for a few years, is a miracle in itself, since so many good games, barely survive a few updates. I play games on the assumption, that I'll probably never get an ending in most of them. And if one manages some really decent content over more than a dozen updates, it's already bucking the trend as far as I'm concerned.

I've really enjoyed this game so far, despite the Devs sometime's frustrating flights of folly, and as long as he keeps making it, I'll probably keep playing it, whatever he decides to do with it. As long as I get enjoyment from games, I don't really care whether they have a silly plot or appear to lack any clear structure or direction. I may say so, from time to time, but that doesn't necessarily stop me from enjoying it immensely. For me, the most important thing in a game, is does it tick the boxes that gets me turned on? And this one does.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Then he should remove the lesbian tag if there is no lesbian route. I'll wait a few more updates before i drop my financial support, but i guess this will probably go down the same route as every other FMC novel, feed the wants of those who want nothing more than creating a slut.

Maybe he intends to add more lesbian content eventually, and that will constitute a lesbian route of sorts. You've assumed that you were going to get a dedicated lesbian route, whereas I get the distinct impression he never originally intended lesbian content, as more than an extra bit of naughty content, added to the more conventionally popular male/female scenario. It's clear that Victoria is not a lesbian, she's at most bisexual. This is what the Dev originally intended her to be, but at some point he's decided to make it, so that people like you can play her just as a lesbian, even if the plot tends to contradict that.

Most of the people who play these female protagonist games, are men who want to turn the protagonists into sluts, so it's hardly surprising that Devs facilitate this. In most cases, the Devs themselves have similar fantasies, and they're basically making these games to their own taste. If you want to play a lesbian game, where the heroine concentrates entirely on women, then really this is the wrong type of game to play. You have to expect that lesbian content will always play second fiddle, to the more popular male/female scenarios.

 

[makcim334]

Скоро появится и Windows 10 (уже поддерживается многими играми), так как нет смысла поддерживать ее, поскольку ее поддержка также постепенно прекращается.
[/ЦИТИРОВАТЬ]
не могли бы вы помочь перепаковать для винды 7.пожалуйста.Could you help me repackage it for Windows 7? Please.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

It should have been pointed out in the changelog, that the new audio sounds incorporated into the game, require you to restart the game. Though I suspect you should wait until all of them have been added before doing so, since when the Dev adds more in future updates, you'll likely have to restart yet again to get them as well.

 

[smarty101]

Maybe he intends to add more lesbian content eventually, and that will constitute a lesbian route of sorts. You've assumed that you were going to get a dedicated lesbian route, whereas I get the distinct impression he never originally intended lesbian content, as more than an extra bit of naughty content, added to the more conventionally popular male/female scenario. It's clear that Victoria is not a lesbian, she's at most bisexual. This is what the Dev originally intended her to be, but at some point he's decided to make it, so that people like you can play her just as a lesbian, even if the plot tends to contradict that.

Most of the people who play these female protagonist games, are men who want to turn the protagonists into sluts, so it's hardly surprising that Devs facilitate this. In most cases, the Devs themselves have similar fantasies, and they're basically making these games to their own taste. If you want to play a lesbian game, where the heroine concentrates entirely on women, then really this is the wrong type of game to play. You have to expect that lesbian content will always play second fiddle, to the more popular male/female scenarios.

OH people like me???? Just because I like to see a lesbian route does not mean I don't mind the male/female route, it's about having an option to choose different routes, why just play one route that turns a FMC into a total slut, when you can have a variety of routes to play, play once as a slut, play agin as a lesbian/or bi, even a middle of the road FMC a bit of slut but have some morals, see the options are endless, its choices and different routes and endings that bring more players in. if thre are no lesbians scenes yet, then there should be no lesbian tag yet.

 

[CutieLvr]

Groovers, love this game. Vicky is a total slut bimbo cutie!!! I would love to see you expand on her stats a lot. Sex and corruption levels, number of times sex acts performed. Going from loyal girlfriend to total slut & prostitute. Her wardrobe should reflect at what level of slutdom she is at, going without bra and panties would be nice. Working for a friend at a club where she is groped and molested, wearing a slutty outfit. Deciding at some point to start accepting money for "special favors". Including a little incest would be wonderful as well. Just my thoughts and suggestions, Groover. Best of luck. There should also be stats on money she earns on the side.

 

[Vualen]

I really like the game, but there is definitely need for normal in game sounds and moans during animated scenes... Everything else pretty much ok, but animations could be more extended

 

[Filipis]

It's a mistake to believe that the numbering of updates, bears any relation to the expected lifespan of a game. Just because version 1.0.0 is the ending in certain games, doesn't mean it will be in all of them. I remember recently someone suggesting that 'Anna Exciting Affection' was obviously approaching it's end, because it was now v0.9.5. But of course Chapter 1 of this game on it's own, finished on v2.0.0, so in effect we were actually approaching v3.0.0. The numbering means nothing, unless a Dev specifically says it does.

The Dev of this game though, does have history of biting off far more than he can chew, as was clearly demonstrated during his ill-fated attempt to completely revamp the game, which resulted in us going nowhere for a year, before embarrassingly having to return to the original game, despite numerous overblown statements about how amazing the new game was ultimately going to be. So it should be no surprise, that he's getting a bit carried away again and expanding the plot. I'm guessing that's just the way he is and we just have to accept it, if we want this game to continue.

The game may never get finished, but that's unfortunately the fate of the majority of games on this site, so he'll be in good company, if that in fact is where this game ends up. Let's face it, the fact it's actually been around for a few years, is a miracle in itself, since so many good games, barely survive a few updates. I play games on the assumption, that I'll probably never get an ending in most of them. And if one manages some really decent content over more than a dozen updates, it's already bucking the trend as far as I'm concerned.

I've really enjoyed this game so far, despite the Devs sometime's frustrating flights of folly, and as long as he keeps making it, I'll probably keep playing it, whatever he decides to do with it. As long as I get enjoyment from games, I don't really care whether they have a silly plot or appear to lack any clear structure or direction. I may say so, from time to time, but that doesn't necessarily stop me from enjoying it immensely. For me, the most important thing in a game, is does it tick the boxes that gets me turned on? And this one does.

I'm not saying every game has to end with 1.0, as I long-since accepted that numbering scheme means very little when it comes to AVNs - just that, in terms of what little "plot" this game has + how long the game has been going on, we should be somewhere around the half-point, instead of still being "far from the end" as stated by the dev.

And you're right: the vast majority of games like these get abandoned, but that's not because the games themselves are at fault - but because their developers treat Patreon money like a job; they chase that monthly earning report, trying to get it as high as possible by trying to appease to as many people as possible (as a consequence), sacrificing their creator's privilege in the process. Even worse, sometimes even making a game like ViBC with the express purpose of starting a theoretically indefinite project that could, at some point, make them boat loads of cash.

It's sad to feel like ViBC will be one of the latter with how wide of a net the developer has cast.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

OH people like me???? Just because I like to see a lesbian route does not mean I don't mind the male/female route, it's about having an option to choose different routes, why just play one route that turns a FMC into a total slut, when you can have a variety of routes to play, play once as a slut, play agin as a lesbian/or bi, even a middle of the road FMC a bit of slut but have some morals, see the options are endless, its choices and different routes and endings that bring more players in. if thre are no lesbians scenes yet, then there should be no lesbian tag yet.

The only problem with what you're suggesting, is that we'll never get anywhere, because the Dev gets bogged down trying to produce content for all these different routes. In a perfect world I'd agree with you, because choices are great. But the Dev is already struggling just to turn out a few scenes every 3-4 months on the few routes he already has. Add in all the extra ones that you want, and the game quickly becomes untenable, and loads of people are moaning because the route they're following, only gets updated once a year.

Personally, I don't think we should be encouraging him to expand this game. If he wants to include some additional characters, then at least make them one -offs, so the game doesn't become bloated with multiple pathways. If Victoria is becoming a slut she doesn't need to establish a connection with every single person she has sex with. She can just fuck them once and move on.

 

[Saerwen]

I'm not saying every game has to end with 1.0, as I long-since accepted that numbering scheme means very little when it comes to AVNs - just that, in terms of what little "plot" this game has + how long the game has been going on, we should be somewhere around the half-point, instead of still being "far from the end" as stated by the dev.

And you're right: the vast majority of games like these get abandoned, but that's not because the games themselves are at fault - but because their developers treat Patreon money like a job; they chase that monthly earning report, trying to get it as high as possible by trying to appease to as many people as possible (as a consequence), sacrificing their creator's privilege in the process. Even worse, sometimes even making a game like ViBC with the express purpose of starting a theoretically indefinite project that could, at some point, make them boat loads of cash.

It's sad to feel like ViBC will be one of the latter with how wide of a net the developer has cast.

I don't think that this game will be abandoned. Usually, games are abandoned at the beginning but this seems like it will be going on for years but not AWAM years. The only thing that can happen is that to either dev stop developing the game abruptly or rush the ending.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I'm not saying every game has to end with 1.0, as I long-since accepted that numbering scheme means very little when it comes to AVNs - just that, in terms of what little "plot" this game has + how long the game has been going on, we should be somewhere around the half-point, instead of still being "far from the end" as stated by the dev.

And you're right: the vast majority of games like these get abandoned, but that's not because the games themselves are at fault - but because their developers treat Patreon money like a job; they chase that monthly earning report, trying to get it as high as possible by trying to appease to as many people as possible (as a consequence), sacrificing their creator's privilege in the process. Even worse, sometimes even making a game like ViBC with the express purpose of starting a theoretically indefinite project that could, at some point, make them boat loads of cash.

It's sad to feel like ViBC will be one of the latter with how wide of a net the developer has cast.

This game has had 8 updates in 5 years. We could easily be half way and still be 'far from the end' (at least in terms of time), because nothing suggests that the Dev is suddenly going to start churning out updates any quicker. If we end up having far more than another 7 updates, it could be another decade before this game ends. I don't see that somehow. I reckon we are at least close to half way, and the Dev is referring more to how long he expects it to take him, rather than there being loads of updates remaining.

 

[Filipis]

This game has had 7 updates in 5 years. We could easily be half way and still be 'far from the end' (at least in terms of time), because nothing suggests that the Dev is suddenly going to start churning out updates any quicker. If we end up having far more, than another 7 updates, it could be another decade before this game ends. I don't see that somehow. I reckon we are at least close to half way, and the Dev is referring more to how long he expects it to take him, rather than there being dozens of updates remaining.

The dev expects to work on this game for the next 5 years at least, with this pace. And that is IF they can manage it. With the amount of paths already available in the game, it literally means your favourite path will get an update ONCE A YEAR.

If they don't want to rush the ending, each path needs to get at least 5 more updates, so that's 5 more years of development; if they want to give each of them a decent epilogue (as also promised), we're getting into the 6+ years of dev time.

 

[Filipis]

I don't think that this game will be abandoned. Usually, games are abandoned at the beginning but this seems like it will be going on for years but not AWAM years. The only thing that can happen is that to either dev stop developing the game abruptly or rush the ending.

The point of my argument is that developing a game for 7+ Years is just as bad as abandoning a game, since both products are going to end up incomplete; one is literally unfinished, the other will probably be unfinished or finished too fast for how long it took to get to that ending.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

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The dev expects to work on this game for the next 5 years at least, with this pace. And that is IF they can manage it. With the amount of paths already available in the game, it literally means your favourite path will get an update ONCE A YEAR.

If they don't want to rush the ending, each path needs to get at least 5 more updates, so that's 5 more years of development; if they want to give each of them a decent epilogue (as also promised), we're getting into the 6+ years of dev time.

Well if that's the case, well we probably are half way through or close to it, because the first update of this game was released in May 2020 ( 5 years and 3 months ago). He started off with a fair amount of content early on, and then we had a 10 month period where he made no progress at all, because he was working on a revamp that eventually got discarded. So if you eliminate that and the fact he'd made a fair amount of content, before he released the first update. I reckon he should be able to make a similar amount of content in next 5 years, as he's produced since the first update was released.

There's literally only 2 ways through the game, which both share a lot of the same content, because the so-called lesbian route doesn't really exist. What people describe as different pathways, are not really separate from one another, because you can play them on both routes. The game only stops being linear, when you're playing content with Michael or David, and besides that the only real choice, is whether to play other content at all. In other words you make Victoria into a slut, or less of one. It all comes down to individual choices and whether you decide to ignore certain characters, in which case you only have yourself to blame, if there's no content for you in the current update. Because that pretty much happens in every game on this site. If you choose to miss out a lot of content, you end up with nothing to do, in a lot of updates.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

The point of my argument is that developing a game for 7+ Years is just as bad as abandoning a game, since both products are going to end up incomplete; one is literally unfinished, the other will probably be unfinished or finished too fast for how long it took to get to that ending.

That's a matter of opinion. Most patrons are quite happy for their favourite game, to go on and on. Very few of them look forward to it ending, even if inevitably it will. A lot of people on this site forget, that Devs are primarily concerned with satisfying their patrons, because they depend on them for much or all of their income. And if they're mostly saying they want the game to carry on for as long as possible, Devs would be stupid to ignore that. Obviously, there are other considerations, such as burnout and wanting to try new things at some point in the future. But don't assume that everyone agrees with your point of view. Because many patrons are along for the journey, no matter how long that is.

 

[Jokr_]

bruh I don't get whats with these lesbian lovers who go through each thread complaining the game does not have enough "lesbian' scenes or they don't like the MC being fucked by men in general which is a bit weird in a way. I see numerous users posting "forced to be a slut" lol like what the hell, this is a porn game, what were you expecting, that the MC goes to church every morning for prayers and finish her day doing normal tasks. That would be a big meme for the game in general. If you don't like girls getting slutty why not go watch netflix or some movie where you can get what you want. It's also not hard to avoid those scene, just keep pressing space bar without paying much attention to the screen. This is a fictional character, she really didn't get a bunch of dicks shoved into her tight cunt in real.

At the end of the day its up to the creator what he or she WANTS to do with the game, whether they make her a slut, a lesbian, get her fucked by aliens, cockroaches, octopus whatever. Of course, I am sure many of them take advice from their patreons and then the game heads that way.

I am not trying to be rude or being snarky by having a go at lesbian lovers. Just put yourself in the creator's shoes, then you will understand what I mean. There's so many kinks nowadays and each person has their own individual tastes, its hard to please EVERYONE.

Enjoy this game and happy masturbating (or complaining)!

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I don't think that this game will be abandoned. Usually, games are abandoned at the beginning but this seems like it will be going on for years but not AWAM years. The only thing that can happen is that to either dev stop developing the game abruptly or rush the ending.

I agree, there's no sign of the Dev losing interest in developing this game. As long as there's no personal problems, which make it impossible to continue. I don't see him stopping anytime soon.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Last update vote 6/10

 

[twiz4]

bruh I don't get whats with these lesbian lovers who go through each thread complaining the game does not have enough "lesbian' scenes or they don't like the MC being fucked by men in general which is a bit weird in a way. I see numerous users posting "forced to be a slut" lol like what the hell, this is a porn game, what were you expecting, that the MC goes to church every morning for prayers and finish her day doing normal tasks.

It's about the facade of choice.

A lot of games with "choices" in them should really just be kinetic novels, because it's clear the creator wants the MC to go a certain route, but they try to add in different paths to satisfy people. They know some people don't want to hook up with a swinger couple, or some weird old man, and the choices are the attempt to appeal to that. But that's not what the creator *wants* to do, and it shows, especially in the lesbian choices in this game that have yet to produce anything of interest outside of a fantasy.

Yet it's also in the ways you keep getting stuck going to dinner with certain guys, or "randomly" running into them, even though you haven't expressed interest in them through the choices that were provided. How the MC fangirls over one of the guys, and when you choose not to ask him out, she chastises herself, wondering if the made the right choice. So it's clear you're *supposed* to go ask him out, it's intended for you to do so, though you're given the opportunity not to. There's quite a few examples of this.

If you don't want your MC to be bisexual/lesbian, then don't make her like that. If you want people to watch every scene, then make it kinetic. Make what you *want* to make, rather than trying to appeal to certain groups to get more recognition and play. Because when you start forcing yourself to do stuff you're not interested in, stuff that you don't want in your game, your product suffers.