Views on Netorare

[GottaLust]

One of the most interesting things I've seen that's mostly divides the community fetish wise is Netorare. If you have no clue what Netorare is, it's basically cheating or adultery in which the person cheating feels intense shame and distress from it. Netorase is cheating but they like it and are fine with it.

I've also seen a couple of creators publicly state that NTR will not be included and NTR is often optional in many other games. It's not a very popular genre.

But I'm still interested in the opinion of the community! What are your thoughts about Netorare and how do you feel about Netorare in your games?

All responses are welcome.

 

[215303j]

You need to distinguish between avoidable NTR and unavoidable NTR.

Avoidable NTR is a great plot device for a porn game. It's a threat that looms and you need to get the girls before that fucking asshole does. If you play it right, you never see the NTR. It can make an otherwise mediocre game (Big Brother) memorable. It can fit in any setting and it's also believable in any relationship based game, so a storyteller doesn't need to resort to other plot drivers that are much harder to explain.

Unavoidable NTR is about getting off watching some other guy do your woman. You get off from the humiliation, inadequacy, inferiority etc. Although in a few limited settings I can somewhat enjoy it, it is, in the basis, a pretty toxic and unhealthy fetish.

 

[GottaLust]

You need to distinguish between avoidable NTR and unavoidable NTR.

Avoidable NTR is a great plot device for a porn game. It's a threat that looms and you need to get the girls before that fucking asshole does. If you play it right, you never see the NTR. It can make an otherwise mediocre game (Big Brother) memorable. It can fit in any setting and it's also believable in any relationship based game, so a storyteller doesn't need to resort to other plot drivers that are much harder to explain.

Unavoidable NTR is about getting off watching some other guy do your woman. You get off from the humiliation, inadequacy, inferiority etc. Although in a few limited settings I can somewhat enjoy it, it is, in the basis, a pretty toxic and unhealthy fetish.

So technically, you somewhat dislike NTR? I guess I wasn't super specific but I'm essentially asking whether you like NTR or dislike it as a fetish, not a plot device.

 

[khumak]

So technically, you somewhat dislike NTR? I guess I wasn't super specific but I'm essentially asking whether you like NTR or dislike it as a fetish, not a plot device.

I think you missed his point. He's basically saying he thinks NTR is the most reasonable way to make a worthy adversary in an adult game. I pretty much have the same viewpoint. I think the threat of NTR adds to the game even if I don't want to actually see those scenes. It's sort of like a difficulty mode.

 

[GottaLust]

I think you missed his point. He's basically saying he thinks NTR is the most reasonable way to make a worthy adversary in an adult game. I pretty much have the same viewpoint. I think the threat of NTR adds to the game even if I don't want to actually see those scenes. It's sort of like a difficulty mode.

Huh. I guess if NTR is avoidable through plot, it's acceptable. I'm pretty sure I recall a few plots that include NTR in that form and they were quite enjoyable games. Nevertheless, this does mean that you enjoy NTR for the danger and spice it adds to the plot, not the actual act of NTR itself. I'm simply asking if that, if there was a scene of NTR, would you like it? Not whether or not NTR makes plots better but whether it arouses you or you can fap to it or something.

 

[kytee]

"Dislike" is too weak of a word for how I feel about NTR .

Avoidable NTR is one way to add conflict in a story, but I feel like most implementations are done poorly and are the cheapest and most shallow form of conflict an author can create in a romance/sex story. A conflict of interest, ideals, or desires between the main character and the love interest without the ticking time-bomb of losing that person to another, is much better in my opinion. This way, you can win the LI's love and affection back or lose it entirely, without the player hating the LI afterwards. For example, if NTR is avoidable but you choose not to pursue the school cheerleader, she ends up with a Football jock, who you love to hate, for the rest of the story. Versus no NTR, where the girl simply goes on with her life without you and, if enough time passes, you can simply infer that she got with another dude but that's never explicitly shown to you. The difference is, next time you see her in the story, you won't see her as Football jock's cocksleeve and you'll be able to use the character for other things in the story.

 

[Obscure]

I think that if you enjoy NTR then you are doing it all wrong.

But it is a great tool for exploring the darkest corners of the psyche.

 

[Johnny4x8]

NTR is a fetish that, when it's done right, can be effectively ignored and life can go on. 95% of the time, it's just "oh look at how happy that person is, guess I'll just have to rape them for 16 hours straight now" for no reason and no gain to the reader other than "look at this character be miserable", I really don't understand how it has somehow gained relatively widespread appeal. I get it's place but that it is approaching the position of "normal" is beyond me.

 

[GottaLust]

I think that if you enjoy NTR then you are doing it all wrong.

But it is a great tool for exploring the darkest corners of the psyche.

Netorare is definitely something you should not enjoy in my opinion. I know kink-shaming is bad and all, but making someone cheat on someone they love whilst taking pleasure in their misery? Yikes. Also, despite NTR being pretty bad itself, NTR is nowhere near the darkest corner.

NTR is a fetish that, when it's done right, can be effectively ignored and life can go on. 95% of the time, it's just "oh look at how happy that person is, guess I'll just have to rape them for 16 hours straight now" for no reason and no gain to the reader other than "look at this character be miserable", I really don't understand how it has somehow gained relatively widespread appeal. I get it's place but that it is approaching the position of "normal" is beyond me.

I don't think it's approaching normality any time soon. The fact that NTR is a plot device that's instrumental for you to stop already means that it's unpopular among several people. But I did notice that Japanese games are effectively normalizing rape and asshole protags along with NTR, so not exactly good.

 

[Canade]

NTR hurts. NTR is painful. NTR takes you to the deepest pits of despair, as the one you care about is taken, abused and used like a tool. So no, don't like it. Don't even like being the one, doing the NTRing.

 

[Obscure]

<snip>...despite NTR being pretty bad itself, NTR is nowhere near the darkest corner.<snip>

No, of course not. The point is that it can help to guide a player on a tour of the darkest corners of their own mind.

What is the limit of the response? Is committing this literal war crime better then being helpless in the face of being NTR'd? Torture? Murder? Genocide? Nihilistic destruction of the earth? Against who? Where do you draw the line?

What is the minimum relationship to trigger the effects? Was your relationship with this person even real? Was they naught but a crush? Had you even spoken to them? Had you laid claim to the sexuality of an actual family member in the expectation of their perpetual chastity? How disgusting is that?

What is the maximum behavior that a person can do and have the relationship remain? How many dicks can she suck? Is it where the dicks are inserted? Does her consent matter? How much does it matter? Is your love even real if it can be extinguished with another man's semen?

 

[215303j]

So technically, you somewhat dislike NTR? I guess I wasn't super specific but I'm essentially asking whether you like NTR or dislike it as a fetish, not a plot device.

As a fetish, it can be hot, but for me, I need to firmly disconnect with the MC. It's more like watching from afar how person B breaks person A. The MC can (should?) be a pretty worthless person who deserves the NTR and/or gets off on it.

In a non-NTR game, I can and do self-immerse and make choices for the MC that I would also make IRL. As such I get attached to the MC and the LI.

For me NTR is only a real problem if both the MC and the LI are somewhat decent persons and the unavoidable NTR happens in update 4 or 6 or whatever. That is pretty much the only reason for me to rage quit a game and never go back.

However, I have the feeling that only the last case (unexpected unavoidable NTR where you identify with the MC) is the only real NTR.

Therefore this is an excellent post:

I think that if you enjoy NTR then you are doing it all wrong.

But it is a great tool for exploring the darkest corners of the psyche.

As for "darkest corners of the psyche", I do think this is correct. Provided you really care for / identify with the MC. True love is an incredibly strong emotion. Everybody who has had a girlfriend break up with him can attest that this is similar to the unexpected death of loved one. The difficult part is transferring that feeling of true love to a game (would be a nice subject for another thread how well that is actually achieved) and THEN destroying it on purpose.

 

[obibobi]

I think that if you enjoy NTR then you are doing it all wrong.

But it is a great tool for exploring the darkest corners of the psyche.

There are games that are labelled NTR but they aren't, it's normally about some female character who cheats on n husband or partner who is someone the player doesn't really care about. That's just a fetish for cheating but I've seen some mistakenly think its NTR.

There is Thiaff above me saying he enjoys it when he disconnects from the character who is being cheated on but that means the game fails to be NTR.

You have generic husband character wishes his wife well and she goes on and sluts it up, husband comes back early to find the wife fucking some guy and she waves at him. That wouldn't be NTR

Can't find and you should be glad, there's a story about this guy who meets a girl he hasn't seen since childhood and they play during the summer, he falls in love with her and he goes to her house to confess and she's fucking her boyfriend, really depressing, wouldn't want to read anything like that again, that was NTR, ruined the story for me but not people who like actual NTR. See what's interesting about this is there's no cheating and the girl isn't degraded but it's still NTR,

 

[BrokenDreams]

Netorare is definitely something you should not enjoy in my opinion. I know kink-shaming is bad and all, but making someone cheat on someone they love whilst taking pleasure in their misery? Yikes. Also, despite NTR being pretty bad itself, NTR is nowhere near the darkest corner.

Now, you will see many of the self inserting gamer will proclaim that if you enjoy NTR, there is something wrong with your self esteem but nobody seems to realize that there is a whole group of players who doesn't identify with the mc and just want to see the female love interest betraying her nice partner for a douchebag only for sexual satisfaction which is considered a taboo and such taboo situations are exactly the plot points of many porn.

 

[dick bullcock]

Hi
I feel sorry every time I read any comment about netorare or NTR (or whatever).
A developer works on his project. And this is sacred. Full stop.
Sex games are just this, sex games. Or must I say porn games? it is the same. And the more the better.

I regret that people because of age, religion, social retardation do not have an open mind.

I don't post every time "oh, the girl has no freckles" as if I was stupid. I have a respect to the developer, and if the girl has not freckles, I get mad and that is all. But I don't share it "oh, the girl has not freckles, the girl has not freckles". It is MY trouble.

Same with the eternal question "is avoidable..." I always think the same "Yes loser. Don't open it, full stop".

The sad trouble in this forum about NTR and netorare is just the same as if we were in a nutritionist forum. Suddenly appear a bunch of vegans trying to convince everybody that they have the possession of The Truth. And the disguise about NTR and netorare, is close to eat eggs or not. I break my ass laughing every time I read about. "NTR is not the same as netorare, you posted it bad" and I always think "looking how you express yourself, you have serious troubles for to distinguish your left hand from your right hand, and now you comes with that?"

I am not a hater. Well, false, I am a hater but not for this!

What is the starting point?
1.- Open mind.
2.- Respect.
3.- Respect to the developer works and his project.

Have a nice day.



PS.-

- I have stopped following games that began with a tag and the developer, due to pressure, decided to avoid the tag content. An artist who changes his project due to external pressures not deserve my respect.

- I feel sorry playing games that are ok, normal, funny. But with a little more spice could be GREAT.


Peace and love for everybody

 

[khumak]

"Dislike" is too weak of a word for how I feel about NTR .

Avoidable NTR is one way to add conflict in a story, but I feel like most implementations are done poorly and are the cheapest and most shallow form of conflict an author can create in a romance/sex story. A conflict of interest, ideals, or desires between the main character and the love interest without the ticking time-bomb of losing that person to another, is much better in my opinion. This way, you can win the LI's love and affection back or lose it entirely, without the player hating the LI afterwards. For example, if NTR is avoidable but you choose not to pursue the school cheerleader, she ends up with a Football jock, who you love to hate, for the rest of the story. Versus no NTR, where the girl simply goes on with her life without you and, if enough time passes, you can simply infer that she got with another dude but that's never explicitly shown to you. The difference is, next time you see her in the story, you won't see her as Football jock's cocksleeve and you'll be able to use the character for other things in the story.

There's another option that you didn't mention which is the one I prefer and that is for MC's rival to be a legitimate threat but with an option for the MC to get the upper hand on him. I find a game more satisfying if I beat an opponent who was an actual threat rather than feeling like I'm playing on "easy mode".

When I play a game with a male MC I just automatically identify with the MC so when bad things happen it feels like it's happening to me. I rarely play the NTR path through because I don't want the bad guy to win and I don't want "my" girl(s) taken from me. If I do decide to play that path through I have to make a real effort NOT to immerse myself in the story and just think of myself as a spectator or try to identify with the bad guy and basically do a "bad guy" playthrough.

I want the option to ruin the rival financially, beat him up, get him sent to jail, fuck his wife/daughter/sister, or some other form of dominance over him. I also want it to be fairly clear what options are going to lead to NTR. "Surprise, you wife is banging some other dude" is not a scene I want to just stumble onto accidently.

 

[ChaosOpen]

I even hate "avoidable NTR" since 99% of the time it's a lie, since if someone went to the effort to put in NTR, they most likely focused most of the content around it. So, while the game will technically give you the opportunity to avoid the NTR, it usually involves a significant amount of grinding while on a tightrope and for all of your efforts it will show you 2-3 of the 20-30 H-scenes in the game.

 

[patyos]

If there's Netorare, I don't mind as long as the story is good.

 

[ChaosOpen]

If there's Netorare, I don't mind as long as the story is good.

It's netorare, obviously the story won't be very good, since it is basically a group of people passing the idiot ball around in a story where plot holes appear more often than sex scenes.

 

[215303j]

I even hate "avoidable NTR" since 99% of the time it's a lie, since if someone went to the effort to put in NTR, they most likely focused most of the content around it. So, while the game will technically give you the opportunity to avoid the NTR, it usually involves a significant amount of grinding while on a tightrope and for all of your efforts it will show you 2-3 of the 20-30 H-scenes in the game.

Have you played Big Brother or The Tyrant?
Or read khumak 's post?

It's netorare, obviously the story won't be very good, since it is basically a group of people passing the idiot ball around in a story where plot holes appear more often than sex scenes.

I would say that NTR is rather more difficult to write well than romance.
Which is, I think, part of the appeal and why it has such vocal supporters.