ShadowLad
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Last I checked they actually removed the Mods Section on Discord and claimed itll come back later. So all that really is a thing is the pack I posted above.Any mods started popping up? If yes, anyone tried them and care to tell how they are working?
From what Ive seen the game is a complete mess and the creator keeps promising things but never does them. Time will tell though
ShadowLad
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Senko
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Working link here, finding these links is like a scavenger hunt.
Dev ended the game development and released the source code, would we have any hope of a nsfw version of this now?
Since you didn't post it yourself for whatever reason
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abelchrono
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MavisFeatherlight
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good that I stayed true to my motto and don't "support" anyone via Patreon.
Because now I wouldn't get my money back.
and all the people who gave him money are now officially scammed.
And yes, I'm angry that he suddenly canceled the project without any good reason
ngl I was really close to supporting him on Patreon...
TragicSolitude
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"Officially scammed"?
The game was released to v0.9.
I'd be interested to hear what promises he "made" that you feel he did not deliver on. Especially on a passion project that he started on his own for his own desires. Or what you think he should have added that you wouldn't have supported anyway!
A project, mind you, that only earned about $1k a month. Which, especially depending on where you live (like in my state for example) is not even enough to afford one MONTH of mortgage/rent.
This is not a giant game corporation making a AAA title. This is ONE dude making an incredibly niche project, that was worked on for five years. Especially on top of having to work an actual job, I'm sure. He even went through the effort of adding mod support and character import methods, which he had ZERO responsibility to do.
Crowdfunding is not a contract. You are not a shareholder. There is no guaranteed turn around for concepts/suggestions. A SCAM would be if he made a demo of a game, then never released anything past that. Despite reaching a crowdfunding goal that says, "I will make a finished game." A la, Kickstarter, which god help you is full of ACTUAL scams.
I wholly respect if you are just jaded and do not want to blindly support the first person you see. Everyone has that right, and you can be forthcoming about it. But to outright be angry about something you put no money into, and calling what he did a scam, is absolutely ridiculous and exceptionally disrespectful.
As a further note: No, I am not attacking you. Nor do I expect to change your mind, or want to start a cavalcade of fighting. But your take on this is exceptionally misplaced.
MavisFeatherlight
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if I support someone financially on a project, I expect this to be completed as well.
Of course he's not legally obliged to do this, but it's just logical thinking and a matter of respect for his supporters.
Even I, as a non-supporter, feel like I've been hit in the face by the action, what should the people who gave him money and expected a finished "product" say?
Officially and legally it is not a scam, but morally it is.
But that's just my way of thinking, there are certainly many who don't care that they were indirectly cheated of their money
TragicSolitude
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Then that's where you're going wrong. If you don't give money FULLY expecting to never see it do anything (With Patreon, Ko-fi, Kickstarter, etc), you're doing it wrong. You are still not entitled to anything. You are donating.
Further, he never said it would ever be a "finished" game. He said from the get go that he wanted an open-ended (read: a game with no ending) loli headpat simulator. And that's what he made. If you came in expecting something else, (like multiplayer in Subnautica) then that is on you. He never expressed that it would ever be anything more than that.
And no, it is not "morally" a scam. If he had labelled it v1.0 I doubt you would have even said a peep.
I could write a program, never revise it, and label it "Version 13.69.420", if I wanted to. It meets standard versioning nomenclature in terms of how you should format versioning, but is not at ALL indicative that it has had 13 major changes, with 69 minor changes, and 420 different patches. A game can be feature complete before version 1.0 if a new developer has no idea what they're doing with version numbering. See Night of Revenge which is coming to release soon, from ver 0.54! That version number is based on monthly updates rather than total minor changes in game. And yet, what is called, "Version 1.0" will be out soon enough!
Nobody was "cheated" out of their money, the dev added multiple things he had no plans on doing before AS WELL as releasing his ENTIRE SOURCE PROJECT to devs who message him. This is him saying he feels the game is feature complete, and finishing his 5 year work stint. People CAN get burned out on doing things for such extended periods of time.
I agree that there was no scam here. He simply created something, and kept adding to it.
But I just slid over to their discord. (Side note, I believe it was shut down before, and they switched to an different version, open source that ran on linked computers rather than servers, so no central control over it. Wish I could remember what it was called.)
Anyway they have a link to the Open Viva project discord.
Not sure if this will work as an invote, but it is the link I followed to get there:
So to me it looks like it has shifted from one developer to many. That could be a good thing, but we need to wait and see to know for sure.
But I was informed there aren't any "forks" unless people are building their own private ones, and the Oven Viva project is where it will keep being developed.
But I just slid over to their discord. (Side note, I believe it was shut down before, and they switched to an different version, open source that ran on linked computers rather than servers, so no central control over it. Wish I could remember what it was called.)
Anyway they have a link to the Open Viva project discord.
Not sure if this will work as an invote, but it is the link I followed to get there:
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So to me it looks like it has shifted from one developer to many. That could be a good thing, but we need to wait and see to know for sure.
But I was informed there aren't any "forks" unless people are building their own private ones, and the Oven Viva project is where it will keep being developed.
MavisFeatherlight
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I really hope that the game will be developed "normally" by the new people without nsfw mods and additions, but I doubt it a bit.
at least the game isn't dead, at least for now
There was already a nude mod. Essentially it treated it like clothing. I believe it ended up getting removed to protect the Discord, or Patreon, even though it was not created by the creator.
But I do like the idea of letting people decide for themselves how NSFW it is.
AlexWingace
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I hadn't played in a good while, so thought I'd check out the last update (9.3) to see how the game had advanced.
To say it feels like the game regressed is...Putting it lightly. All movement and interaction feels significantly worse than in older versions, characters moving around looks awful and is buggy as shit, and, I don't know if I'm just looking in the wrong place, but the old house and all that seems to just be gone entirely. Now there's a half-baked Onsen with a kitchen and barely any other interactable. Plus, the classic character (and subsequently the other method of character creation) seems to be gone or buried somewhere. Not to mention the characters in its place are just Genshin characters for...Some reason, and they look like they've been ripped by three or four different people and have no consistent shading method.
Interacting with the characters in almost any way is straight up busted, and trying to hold their hand or pick them up oftentimes just results in Gmod style ragdoll physics flailing about. My VR controllers (Index) don't line up with the hands in the slightest, and the physical player body seems to get stuck on geometry constantly.
Simply put, this is awful. I was thinking that "Huh, maybe the previous commenter complaining about the state the dev left the game in was just being overentitled and demanding things be in the game that they personally wanted" but. Yeahno, as someone who played the game at multiple stages earlier in development and enjoyed it pretty thoroughly then (in and out of VR), this is atrocious. When did the dev decide to do a full redux of the game, in which they did a fuckton of meth, blacked out, and woke up with a whole new line of code and animations and go "Hm yes, this all looks good."?
I'm dearly hoping that people working on OpenViva can make this a functional game in the future. Needless to say, I won't be supporting whatever horror game the dev dropped this for. If they managed to do such a complete 180 on game development and somehow demolish what they'd had built up previously, I don't want to see what they do with a new game from the ground up.
To say it feels like the game regressed is...Putting it lightly. All movement and interaction feels significantly worse than in older versions, characters moving around looks awful and is buggy as shit, and, I don't know if I'm just looking in the wrong place, but the old house and all that seems to just be gone entirely. Now there's a half-baked Onsen with a kitchen and barely any other interactable. Plus, the classic character (and subsequently the other method of character creation) seems to be gone or buried somewhere. Not to mention the characters in its place are just Genshin characters for...Some reason, and they look like they've been ripped by three or four different people and have no consistent shading method.
Interacting with the characters in almost any way is straight up busted, and trying to hold their hand or pick them up oftentimes just results in Gmod style ragdoll physics flailing about. My VR controllers (Index) don't line up with the hands in the slightest, and the physical player body seems to get stuck on geometry constantly.
Simply put, this is awful. I was thinking that "Huh, maybe the previous commenter complaining about the state the dev left the game in was just being overentitled and demanding things be in the game that they personally wanted" but. Yeahno, as someone who played the game at multiple stages earlier in development and enjoyed it pretty thoroughly then (in and out of VR), this is atrocious. When did the dev decide to do a full redux of the game, in which they did a fuckton of meth, blacked out, and woke up with a whole new line of code and animations and go "Hm yes, this all looks good."?
I'm dearly hoping that people working on OpenViva can make this a functional game in the future. Needless to say, I won't be supporting whatever horror game the dev dropped this for. If they managed to do such a complete 180 on game development and somehow demolish what they'd had built up previously, I don't want to see what they do with a new game from the ground up.
TragicSolitude
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There are several takeaways here:
1) Shinobu was nixed for legal issues. Because, seriously, it's Japan and Japanese copyright. If you think that isn't a valid reason after it gained popularity, I should only need to mention Nintendo and Toei to reinforce that. (Now you can argue that the other characters in it don't make sense, and I don't disagree. But there has to be something somewhere.)
2) The older character creation was removed to support more involved character import and to support potential modding. Makes it more difficult for the layman, but you can only do so much with the card feature.
3) I'll touch on the bugs and physics issues here. Those are odd, yes. But I can also see why those are happening. Earlier Viva, 0.75, did not have dynamic physics. So what you're talking about isn't inherently a lack of bugs or issues in earlier versions, it's a lack of complexity. And while you'd ask yourself, "Well why sacrifice stability to do more?" Because if you didn't, the game would then become stale and we'd end up at a different road-ending but still have the same type of complaints. Except now the game would be close-sourced, with less ability to add things easily. It doesn't hand-wave the weirdness present as is, but it is something to keep in perspective. I certainly agree that it lacks polish, and leaving it as is seems odd but there's no real winning here I don't think.
The original reason I took such umbrage with the previous person is because of how they approached the situation. They did not address anything you stated, or brought up any real issues or concerns as you stated they did. Their comments boiled down to, "This is scam." Which is nothing other than ridiculous and inflammatory. The game is free, and always has been. I can understand if you take issues with sudden dev shifts wherein the game ISN'T free, and you're paying for it. (A la Fallen Doll: Lovecraft. That whole debacle is somethin' else.) But it isn't, and so a more granular approach needs to be taken in my eyes. Especially since they called it a scam, but never even supported them anyway.
I do not deny the physics oddities or the need to have polish in some aspects, and in fact I would have readily just left things alone if that was the opener. But I still stand by the fact that spending 5 years alone on a project is a very difficult task that eventually breeds more issues for the project than it doesn't. Leaving it where it is now, while rough and unpolished, is better than any other option.
AlexWingace
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The problem with you saying "Shinobu was removed for copyright reasons" is immediately made invalid by the fact that the characters that replaced her by default are all copywritten characters. And again, the new character framework is straight up inferior. The characters are worse to interact with in any way, are way less expressive and therefore look worse.
He didn't need to keep Shinobu specifically, but if he'd changed it to a generic character as a base (or even an OC) using the same expressionset and/or face, body/skeleton, and animations that were present in the old ones, that would have been a hundred times better than the garbage we did get.
I would 100% have taken stability and polish over the game being open source, since there's absolutely no guarantee people will do anything meaningful with the game from this point on. The dynamic physics don't really add anything to the game, either. It's just kinda added without a second thought. It would have been better to make an entirely separate game for whatever the hell he was trying to do with this build.
Not gonna lie, the "improved" character import feature is...Not a better option. The Card system was just fine. There were characters that you could import alongside fully customizable outfits that were simple to utilize. If you wanted more in terms of customization (IE, height, proportions, etc), it would have been better to add in-game options to save to certain characters. A more complex and less intuitive system for importation =/= a better system.
Lastly, on the topic of "scams"...I can't speak personally, since I never supported the game financially, but I can very much understand why a lot of backers on Patreon feel scammed and/or betrayed. The grand majority likely joined it for the specific game that was being developed, and everything the game had being scrapped in favor of the shit they left us with would be infuriating if i dumped any amount of money into helping the development of the old game.