bro i think we agree on not being the time for there to be full sex yet.So whats the problem?I said its a process.Its one thing to understand and not coplain about and another to feel dissapointed.Also this is nts/ntr.I dont think wanting an alpha is gay at all.Maybe thats your problem
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Banger update. Total faith in the writing so far.
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I think I can understand why some people where a little upset with this update. I think a lot of the sentiment isn't just crying about ntr, I think people like myself just genuinely don't like Geist as a character. He comes across as a giant fucking douchebag. His attitude towards the mc, his threats to ruin your marriage and then threats to kill you.. yeah fuck that guy, there's no way I would ever be ok letting him him near my wife. I have no interest in him as a character but get the feeling he will be forced on us in the future. I know this is an nts game.. but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy letting douchebags fuck the wife.
You realize the guy doesn't understand their fetish? He thought the MC was forcing his wife into this "degeneracy", not many people would be accepting right from the get-go. He might start be more accepting after what the husband said at the end, I think the dev did a good job making it realistic.
The dev said there won't be hard ntr. So how do you explain what happened.
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He's a loyal bodyguard, of course hes gonna act the way he does, if he didn't that would be weird.
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I don't like him either, I think it would have been better if it was somebody neither of them knew.
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While I definitely dug it being somebody neither of them knew more (such as in the Club update), I have a feeling people'll calm down about Geist in a couple updates. It literally took half of an update to go from "I don't understand why you'd want to do this, this is degenerate, I will kill you if you hurt her" (or whatever the fuck he said) to fingering your wife. I have a feeling he'll stop threatening to kill MC after this update, and all the whiny little self-insert dweebs crying about how this is hard NTR all of a sudden (???) will perhaps abandon their crusade too. He's already had a pretty decent arc of growing on the audience within just one update.
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Yeeeah. The people able to look past that are just obsessed with big alpha chad in their wife, its so pathetic.
The point of NTRS is that the husband is an actual presence, and not just someone overshadowed by "The Alpha"
Also the Man-Bun is so silly
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I agree with you, he did seem to grow as a character. We'll see how this VN develops.
^- This.
I mean we're here on a porngame website, where so many fetish exist, and have often a heated debate over NTR / NTS. So if the biggest degenerates on the internet can't deal with these kinks, how do you expect someone would do which was about the safety person and even helped them out to get them to a safety spot so they can marry. If then this kink is dropped it shouldn't be to surprising that the thoughts "and for that sh't i went trhough all the trouble so you can whore your wife out" comes up and you become more antagonistic.
I really like it, because it gives the character/plot a bit more depth and authentic tension. And even further as mentioned before it also highlights the strength of the MC who despite being a cuck, doesn't back down if BS is spilled around. And at the very end it seems that even the wife respects and is super horny towards the MC standing his ground. That's why this NTR-Nonsese-Outcry is really weird.
Gotta say, the content of this update really surprised me.
One of the big issues with Netorase games is finding that perfect balance in the power dynamic without creating a war among your own fanbase. I've seen several game threads devolve into madness because an NTS relationship included some humiliation play or a perceived submissiveness in the MC as a result of dominant behavior from either the wife or her lovers. Even if the MC specifically requests humiliation, people still argue that he's being cucked or whatever, despite it being clear that the MC is in complete control.
What was great about this update is it subverted expectations most players have of the traditional "alpha/beta" relationship. Geist comes in, super jacked and with a tough guy persona, and it seems as though he's going to speak down to MC and force him into a submissive beta role. Instead, MC gets what he wants out of Geist and when he feels disrespected, he shuts Geist down and emasculates him, drawing a clear boundary and asserting himself as the one truly in control of the situation. I think it's a great touch that Ammie overhears this as the game continues to underscore the strength of their bond over and over.
I also think it's interesting that, when choosing the humiliation route, there is a huge disclaimer that needs to spell out the concept of humiliation being MC's request and that despite the language she doesn't actually mean it and only cares about him while he is in complete control because that language is only happening because he wanted it, and if he didn't it would stop. Crazy thing is, it's not even Ammie saying this where you could question whether she's being truthful, it's the literal author explicitly saying it in a 4th wall break. I don't know how you can make it any more clear.
I have played plenty of Netorase games and I don't think many have gone this far to make it blatantly obvious that the characters are playing into the kink and not in danger of breaking up or getting NTR'd. I feel like if you're signing up for an NTS game with all of these giant, obvious signs and you somehow still feel like it's NTR, then you're probably projecting really hard and dealing with a level of insecurity that would likely make it unhealthy for you to play any of these games in the first place.
All in all, this game has been a really pleasant surprise. I'm shocked this thread doesn't have more traction, but I expect that will change as people continue to stumble upon this gem.
One of the big issues with Netorase games is finding that perfect balance in the power dynamic without creating a war among your own fanbase. I've seen several game threads devolve into madness because an NTS relationship included some humiliation play or a perceived submissiveness in the MC as a result of dominant behavior from either the wife or her lovers. Even if the MC specifically requests humiliation, people still argue that he's being cucked or whatever, despite it being clear that the MC is in complete control.
What was great about this update is it subverted expectations most players have of the traditional "alpha/beta" relationship. Geist comes in, super jacked and with a tough guy persona, and it seems as though he's going to speak down to MC and force him into a submissive beta role. Instead, MC gets what he wants out of Geist and when he feels disrespected, he shuts Geist down and emasculates him, drawing a clear boundary and asserting himself as the one truly in control of the situation. I think it's a great touch that Ammie overhears this as the game continues to underscore the strength of their bond over and over.
I also think it's interesting that, when choosing the humiliation route, there is a huge disclaimer that needs to spell out the concept of humiliation being MC's request and that despite the language she doesn't actually mean it and only cares about him while he is in complete control because that language is only happening because he wanted it, and if he didn't it would stop. Crazy thing is, it's not even Ammie saying this where you could question whether she's being truthful, it's the literal author explicitly saying it in a 4th wall break. I don't know how you can make it any more clear.
I have played plenty of Netorase games and I don't think many have gone this far to make it blatantly obvious that the characters are playing into the kink and not in danger of breaking up or getting NTR'd. I feel like if you're signing up for an NTS game with all of these giant, obvious signs and you somehow still feel like it's NTR, then you're probably projecting really hard and dealing with a level of insecurity that would likely make it unhealthy for you to play any of these games in the first place.
All in all, this game has been a really pleasant surprise. I'm shocked this thread doesn't have more traction, but I expect that will change as people continue to stumble upon this gem.
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This ^.
Geist's character had been built up since earlier, he is loyal enough to help her escape and without leaking words back to family. His loyalty is not to be questioned, his hostility towards MC was simply built on lack of understanding to the kink or fetish. As for MC is not the usual spineless cuck which in time Geist will came to respect them.
I'm not saying the writing is the best of all NTRS games out there but this is something else, the power balance here isn't built on the alpha chad muscle or horse-sized cock. I'm really surprised how the fingering scene triggers "OMFG HARD NTR" cries, but seriously what kind of game is this? He is not being invited home to play some board games or dungeons and dragons with them LMAO.
If this extent could trigger the player's insecurities to scream NTR, a word of advice: Stay away from all games when they are being tagged ntrs/sharing/hotwife/cuckold/swinging since you clearly cannot make sense of the kink. I have seen people screaming ntr in a "swinging focused" game, it kills my brain cells for trying to read them.
Hard NTR? There's a game named "Turning the page", try playing the update from few days ago where MC finds his wife fucks her student in their bed. Then the wife takes off her engagement ring and throw it back to MC when she receives unprotected creampie.
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For a long time, I have been suspecting half of f95 users are illiterate. Now I'm convinced that is 100% true! Shocking, right? But unfortunately, it's true. Let me quote this from Beyond Redemption to describe those people:
Also, the writing is nothing groundbreaking but very well done. I feel like this need not to be said out loud and is very obvious, but in this update, the writer put the MC down first by letting us know his internal struggle, then have Geist showing his alpha attitude and fingering skills. But in the end, show the reader how MC is not like those typical weak netorare protags.
This clearly is basic writing structure, no?
For the life of me, I don't know how people read this 0.05 update and thought the male lead is beta lmao. The male lead is no way being a beta with how he confidently professing his love for Amelia and more importantly, his trust in her.
Also, the writing is nothing groundbreaking but very well done. I feel like this need not to be said out loud and is very obvious, but in this update, the writer put the MC down first by letting us know his internal struggle, then have Geist showing his alpha attitude and fingering skills. But in the end, show the reader how MC is not like those typical weak netorare protags.
This clearly is basic writing structure, no?