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Would there be any art for our first time met with Juliette? I'm kinda waiting not to play just to make sure not missing any scene lol
 

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Would there be any art for our first time met with Juliette? I'm kinda waiting not to play just to make sure not missing any scene lol
Juliet and the bandit
Ensure your Lust is high and save the game before confronting the bandit ravaging Juliette.
Then repeat (selecting different options) until satisfied.
 
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hakarlman

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Does anyone know if the developer has any plans to make his game more accessible to the masses? The game is too complex and complicated in its current state, it's nearly unplayable even with a walkthrough. The walkthrough is extremely complicated too, which is a sign of very poor game design. I get it, it's a porn game, not a triple A title, but jesus, you have to make sure the game is accessible by the masses, not just a small niche audience who can put up with massive frustration and overly complicated mechanics/confusion.
 

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Does anyone know if the developer has any plans to make his game more accessible to the masses? The game is too complex and complicated in its current state, it's nearly unplayable even with a walkthrough. The walkthrough is extremely complicated too, which is a sign of very poor game design. I get it, it's a porn game, not a triple A title, but jesus, you have to make sure the game is accessible by the masses, not just a small niche audience who can put up with massive frustration and overly complicated mechanics/confusion.
Their is the easy combat that can be enable from the cheat room never tried it but I would say the biggest problem with the game is because Krowly can be under supplied and powered for exploring the vast maps by himself all the time early it the game. As well as it being an exploration based progression and you usually get one hint for a quest. Pretty much before you can start progressing the story you have to grind out at least one level of experience and make a bit of money which tbh, is never a good way to start an rpg even though most of them want you to play this way by the end which is a puzzling concept of game design that still exist today.
 

hakarlman

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Their is the easy combat that can be enable from the cheat room never tried it but I would say the biggest problem with the game is because Krowly can be under supplied and powered for exploring the vast maps by himself all the time early it the game. As well as it being an exploration based progression and you usually get one hint for a quest. Pretty much before you can start progressing the story you have to grind out at least one level of experience and make a bit of money which tbh, is never a good way to start an rpg even though most of them want you to play this way by the end which is a puzzling concept of game design that still exist today.
My problem is I can't figure out any of the quests or how to find events, it's just too hard.

For example, that Magic Circle quest is way too difficult to complete.

I don't remember the combat being hard, it was everything else that was too hard.
 

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My problem is I can't figure out any of the quests or how to find events, it's just too hard.

For example, that Magic Circle quest is way too difficult to complete.

I don't remember the combat being hard, it was everything else that was too hard.
By far one of the lasted guide iirc,at least helping me alot after long time
 
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By far one of the lasted guide iirc,at least helping me alot after long time
My problem is I can't figure out any of the quests or how to find events, it's just too hard.

For example, that Magic Circle quest is way too difficult to complete.

I don't remember the combat being hard, it was everything else that was too hard.
That jsut one of the game problem its lack hint.
 
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Yo what's the deal with the busty elves it has one move that deals 400+ damage,I can't paralyze, and they use silence on me which gets rid of most of Krowly's big damage. Its basically a game of fucking luck on whether they use the boulder, heal themselves, or use silence.
 

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Yo what's the deal with the busty elves it has one move that deals 400+ damage,I can't paralyze, and they use silence on me which gets rid of most of Krowly's big damage. Its basically a game of fucking luck on whether they use the boulder, heal themselves, or use silence.
I just stun them with the ice bomb repeatedly and then rng it till they die, the only thing you can do.
 

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What can I say, hoes be mad.

Your best bet is to try to freeze them. Freezing++ and snowball potion would help, but the potion costs 40 gold a pop, so it's only ever good for getting through a quest. At lvl6, you can reasonably farm a couple of them in the glade south of the Wizard tower before healing is required.
 

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Does anyone know if the developer has any plans to make his game more accessible to the masses? The game is too complex and complicated in its current state, it's nearly unplayable even with a walkthrough. The walkthrough is extremely complicated too, which is a sign of very poor game design. I get it, it's a porn game, not a triple A title, but jesus, you have to make sure the game is accessible by the masses, not just a small niche audience who can put up with massive frustration and overly complicated mechanics/confusion.
Firstly just to say I think it's a great game. I particularly like that the gameplay is challenging and would be disappointed to see it simplified in any way.

Any porn game could fall between two (admittedly unlikely) notional extremes
One extreme > a continual sequence of pornographic images loosely connected by some type of novel;
Other extreme > struggle for days all the way through a game for a single final pornographic cutscene;

Query: Do you play a porn game primarily for the game mechanics or the porn ?

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Query: If it was to be made more accessible which features would you consider changing or removing ?

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One last query: I assume there are features/properties of the game you enjoy (otherwise I'm guessing you'd probably not bother commenting at all). I'm also presuming these are what you would want a new game based around. What are they ?
 

hakarlman

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By far one of the lasted guide iirc,at least helping me alot after long time
How to summon a succubus?

Condition #1: Answer can be found inside the Old Tower.
Condition #2: After Melissa answers Krowly’s question about her home, ask Melissa again for more information about magic barriers (+20 EXP). Apparently [Elven root] makes a suitable fuel.
Condition #3: As it happens, you probably already know an elf who deals in… substances. [[[:LOL::LOL:NO I DO NOT LOL]]]]
Condition #4: But first, you need suitable goods for exchange. You may already have [Magic pollen] if you have fought the plant girl on the fairies’ glade - if not, you need to find her... [[ :mad::mad:FUCKING SHOOT ME NOW ]]
Condition #6: Talk to Leaf at night to exchange the pollen for four pieces of [Elven root]. .... [[[WHO?!? :ROFLMAO:]]]

Dude..... /facepalm

Look at the stupid ass quest objectives, THERE IS NOTHING THERE:

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You're telling me I have to figure out all the above shit on the basis of "find fuel for protective flame?" being the only clue?

"FIND FUEL FOR THE PROTECTIVE FLAME..."

IN OTHER WORDS:

"FIND FUEL FOR THE PROTECTIVE FLAME..." = 1616334824318.png

I was just starting to have fun with the game too. *sigh*

Can someone translate the following into something a person with an IQ of 70 can understand? EDIT: Make it 60 IQ.

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Do I go to the old tower first or do I talk to Melissa first, or do I talk to her again, or do I talk to the elf? or do i talk to the plant girl or do I talk to left? jesus fucking christ.

Why can't we just buy the fuckin fuel from the shop or something?

EDIT: is ther ea way to disable and turn off these stupid fucking slimes.
EDIT: is there a way to pass the time without going into the cheat menu?

I might be approaching this game in the wrong way.

Does anyone know if the game has a natural progression? Example:

1) wake up, work the field.
2) talk to day time npc(s) once each time?
3) do something to pass the time until sunset? then explore town around this time, like the tavern?
4) night: explore outside at night?
5) go to sleep

What's the natural expected way to play this nightmare of a fucking game with amazing art?
 
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hakarlman

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Firstly just to say I think it's a great game. I particularly like that the gameplay is challenging and would be disappointed to see it simplified in any way.
I just want a quest journal that tells you exactly what to do. I don't want to figure out any puzzles. Puzzles + Porn Game DO NOT MIX.

Imagine jerking off, but then doing ten math problems, then going back to fapping, then repeating this process over & over, who in their right mind would do such a thing? NO ONE.

Any porn game could fall between two (admittedly unlikely) notional extremes
One extreme > a continual sequence of pornographic images loosely connected by some type of novel;
Other extreme > struggle for days all the way through a game for a single final pornographic cutscene;
Yea, I'm experiencing the latter. I'm struggling way too long to get to any actual porn content in this game. It takes so long that it's not worth it. It destroys the mood.

Query: Do you play a porn game primarily for the game mechanics or the porn ?
Both, but I do not play porn games to solve puzzles. That's a deal breaker. Puzzles can also be trying to figure out vague quest descriptions that don't give you any relevant information, so you literally have no idea what to do next and are forced to alt tab out to a walkthrough.

Query: If it was to be made more accessible which features would you consider changing or removing ?
Disable crafting - Unless it's a sex toy, I don't want to craft shit in a porn game.
Disable farming - I'll just buy food at the tavern.
Disable alchemy - Let us buy the potions.
Disable gathering ingredients - FUCK THIS, lol.

My understanding (from the developer's Patreon pages) is the developer primarily considers themselves an erotic illustrator, if you subscribe to their Patreon page part of the reward is access to more erotic images.
He's a decent writer and he has kinky ideas, but his gameplay design is complete and utter shit of biblical proportions. His quest log is complete fail and gives you ZERO relevant information to help you finish the quest.

Basically, his current game design forces you to constantly alt tab out to a walkthrough, and the game quest objectives are so complicated, that it kills the fucking erotic mood.

"it's nearly unplayable even with a walkthrough" - I disagree, it's far more complex that a lot of other porn games but I've just about managed to struggle through without one (I have started my own walkthrough, a spreadsheet which currently has six sheets and over 1000 entries in it).
DUDE, you shouldn't have to do that for a porn game.

"you have to make sure the game is accessible by the masses" - I disagree. Clearly the developer is not under any obligation, they could, just like any other developer, decide to abandon the project at a moments notice. if the developer were reliant for income there may be some neccessity but othwise the game progression is up to the developer.
If he made is more accessible, he could make more $$$ and hire a game designer/developer, then he could focus on art only which is what he's good at. His kinky ideas are good too. He just needs proper gameplay design and a quest log system that actually tells you what the fuck to do.

One last query: I assume there are features/properties of the game you enjoy (otherwise I'm guessing you'd probably not bother commenting at all). I'm also presuming these are what you would want a new game based around. What are they ?
I'd like a game with Warlock & Boobs kinky ideas & art, but remove the following:

- no fucking crafting, unless you're crafting a sex toy or fuck furniture.
- no collecting alchemical ingredients, fuck that, unless every time you collect an ingredient you see a pair of titties or something.
- no having to explore a huge map, when the quest log could've just told you where to go and pointed an arrow into the direction you're supposed to go.
- NO quests that require a 10 sub conditions from 10 other quests, that makes things way too complicated. Each quest should have ONE objective, that's fucking it, keep it simple ffs. It's better to have 10 simple quests than one quest that's extremely fucking complicated.

The game would need a very simple quest system with SIMPLE quests, VERY simple.

QUEST DESIGN EXAMPLE
a) Talk to Lisa. She can be found on the map easily. Open map and look at the fucking picture of her fucking face on the map, see where to go? SEE, GO FUCKING THER ERIGHT NOW.
b) You've talked to Lisa, good job. THIS QUEST IS FUCKING DONE.

QUEST DESIGN CONTINUATION
a) You talked to lisa and she told you to jerk off into a cup. You can do this by clicking on the cup on the fucking table that's right fucking there, look at this fucking picture. SEE? that's where the fucking cup is, CLICK THAT FUCKER and be done with it.
b) Good job, you jerked off into the fucking cup. it's a fucking miracle.
c) Talk to Lisa again and you'll automatically give her the fucking cup filled with cum, hopefully she fucking drinks it or does some kinky shit.

quest design continuation
a) lisa drank your cup of sperm.
b) lisa can now be recruited into your party. here' show you fucking bring her along in your party. SEE THIS FUCKING PICTURE? SEE HOW FUCKING EASY IT IS TO DO? ANYONE CAN FIGURE THIS SHIT OUT CUZ I TOLD OU HOW TO FUCKING DO IT AND I EVEN SHOWED YOU A MOTHER FUCKING PICTURE.

The above quests are so specific, that it keeps the momentum of gameplay going without having to alt tab to a fucking walkthrough which breaks erotic momentum.
 

hakarlman

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How are you supposed to pass the time without cheating?

List of ways to pass time:

a) work in garden in front of house
b) help denizens of town during day with task

How do you pass the time just before it gets dark? Why the fuck would the dev not put this information into the game?
 

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EDIT: is there a way to pass the time without going into the cheat menu?
Err No (and I agree they are irritating) and Err No ...
... There are however a number of events that can move time on
Unfortunately different events on different days and at different times of day

Does anyone know if the game has a natural progression?
There is a main quest path ... but there's lots of distractions
And on a day to day basis really has to be a 'time of day' to 'time of day' basis; So four time slots around seven days making a 28 actions in a row routine.
This is still fraught because as relationship statuses change so do the available events and their results.

What's the natural expected way to play this nightmare of a fucking game with amazing art?
Ah Ha! you have revealed your weakness for the game and we have a point of mutual agreement "amazing art"

Subsequent edit: hey stop asking more questions before I've cross referenced all my notes to answer the previous one.
 
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Staimh

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I just want a quest journal that tells you exactly what to do. I don't want to figure out any puzzles. Puzzles + Porn Game DO NOT MIX.
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Good fulsome response
I've arrived at the conclusion you want to play a different game to me (from your responses I think you've reached a similar conclusion).
I play a porn game because I want to play a game and I like that there is some cracking horny porny art thrown in.
So I like the puzzles and even quite enjoy interminable trailing back and forward to work out what the fuck to do next.
By the time I get to fapping stage I'm quite likely to abandon the game and look for other inspiration (the porndude perhaps).

Imagine jerking off, but then doing ten math problems, then going back to fapping, then repeating this process over & over, who in their right mind would do such a thing? NO ONE.
You never jerked off in math ?

DUDE, you shouldn't have to do that for a porn game.
Problem is this is the only way I know to play this game so your earlier post did nail the fact it is a complex game.
For what little it's worth by the time you get to level six and have good relationships with most of the NPCs the art comes thick and fast (I love the English language).

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I intend plugging away at this for some time (I'm sitting in a flat with bugger all else to do in lockdown);
So once I've worked out a good route I'll let you know but there are a lot more porn game simultaneous equations to resolve yet :D
 
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