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RPGM Warlock and Boobs [v0.509] [boobsgames]
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I don't really get the reasoning that in-game, family members shouldn't have vaginal sex (meaning Jill/Samantha with Krowly). Fina and Jenna are both referred to as aunts to Krowly. That's not first degree family relation, but second degree is still pretty close. Now I get that some cultures, especially in the East (maybe just Japan), sometimes calls semi-parental older people for aunts/uncles, even with no family connection.
Secondly both Jill and Samantha are introduced as step-sister and step-mother respectively, indicating no actual family relation at all to Krowly. If Jill was a half-sister (meaning Jill and Krowly sharing a parent - kinda iffy about Krowly's father and if Jill is actually a half-sister) there could be some trouble but it wouldn't have been the first time such a pair happened.
So the in-world lore is already not a strong point as an explanation.
Then comes the line about the game being lighthearted. And it's a porn game. Why do we suddenly care so deeply about pregnancy and incest-induced risks? To me that seems a little heavy tackling if anything.
Many of those pregnancy risks are also shared with other characters who does have vaginal sex scenes; Alice, Fina, Jenna, Rose, and Rayna - possibly even Mabel. Basically only Agnieszka can be without risk.
Furthermore in medieval times people still had vaginal sex outside marriage despite the risks. They mostly didn't resort to anal sex except for sex between men - and possibly ancient Greece / Rome. Not that this is a historical game, but just to give perspective.
As for Sister Elizabeth and her refusal to do vaginal sex. It seems she's actually pulling away from the restrictive doctrine that the Order is doing. Now she makes clear that the Order and the Church are two separate things. However she also (spoiler) summons a demon, which is prohibited according to Fina. Elizabeth is already on a shaky foundation and only able to keep her position thanks to Krowly and Fina.
Now it would be an interesting path to see Elizabeth diverge from the Church's teachings in some ways. The village being part of the Frontier region seems to give them a shelter against the Order's authority, but rather under that of the Kingdom. It would not be too far fetched to say that the Church might not have as aggressive an approach as the Order. I mean the Church apparently teaches that anal sex is a good way to clear conflict and strengthen relations with neighbors (and some other group) - the sexual liberation in the region is strong.
And face it, who wouldn't want to see the holy Nun break their vows/restrictions in order to have gratifying pleasure? In a porn game... where with very few exceptions, all enemy characters wants to have sex.
I made a rough count of the sex scenes divided between anal and vaginal scenes (from what I could see on the Wiki and remember from the game).
This only counts scenes involving friendly female partners to Krowly - including Futas, but excluding any character who originates and remains as an enemy-type with the same scenes as the enemy-type (like the Elf Futa-girls in the Elven Spa or any monster girl lika Kaaren). This still includes Meril the Succubus (who technically originates as an enemy but mainly is an ally).
This only counts from Krowly's perspective, so in the Krowly-Jenna-Eric threesome, that counts as an anal scene, and I don't count the original Jenna-Eric scene (as the Player is not experiencing it).
Also not counting brief scenes - like the slip into Astra's butt during the butt-massage.
Not counting fantasies either (I read that some scenes have variants you can activate with the Meditate skill - also not terribly visible for the player, I had to read outside information to find it).
I am counting scenes involving voyeur where the character is masturbating (Astra and Alice x2 with the tavern "Dinner" scene).
There's 13 scenes that include Krowly doing vaginal penetration.
There's 29 scenes that include Krowly doing anal penetration (or self-insert in masturbation).
There's a heavy reliance on anal scenes and I'm not even counting male-to-male scenes or anal sex being done onto Krowly with either futa dicks or dildos. And filtering out scenes that Krowly is not in, with the masturbation exception.
Now, it may just be Boobsgames' fascination or preference - or hell it could even be the audience's preference through voting. I am fresh to the game so I don't know how it's been under development. However I feel like there could definitely be more scenes with vaginal penetration overall, especially with the friendly NPCs - as that's the easiest to plan for and chain together for a fap session.
Of the main village resident NPCs only 7 characters (out of 12 females that you can have sex with - no Bard Elizabeth or Jaina) have vaginal scenes, being Alice, Agniezska, Carla, Fina, Jenna, Juliette, and Rose. However both Alice and Jenna have more anal scenes and Agnieszka, Juliette, and Rose are 1-for-1, with Fina and Carla being the only characters in the game with 2 repeatable vaginal scenes at all and also 1 anal scene.
Of the remaining roster we only have; Astra, Jill, Samantha, Sister Elizabeth and Taisha. 4 of which are heavily interwoven in the story and are likely favorites.
Are we really so few who wants this?
In the last poll that was voted on there were 3 gay choices, 1 futa-on-Krowly, 1 presumed vaginal (non-Krowly btw), 1 anal and 1 undecided. Of the 8 choices, only 1-2 were vaginal and the rest were anal.
I mean if the creator doesn't want to add vaginal scenes, they don't want to. I would just like to know what the vision is then, because that may not be what I'm interested in and want to support.
Can you help me out here?
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Sure, I'll help you...
The game's nearly finished, has been on the go for several years with free releases each month and Boobsgames has been making the game he wants to make all along.
In other words, it's a very, very late stage to say that the lack of certain specific content with certain characters means that you won't offer financial support to Boobsgames.
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You must be one of the very few who didn't change the relationship then and drop the "step" part then. (If that option to change the relationship wasn't there, can you imagine the crying for an I-Patch
?)Also, you might want to read this post first before you start stating the number of scenes in question https://f95zone.to/threads/warlock-and-boobs-v0-506-boobsgames.18692/post-15352763
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Ah, I didn't know it was close to completion. I thought the Palla gate was meant as an entrance to a new area yet to be made.
However it seems like Boobsgames is still posting out updates and making polls for new scenes that seems to run a cycle of 1 scene at least per month. So... I don't know if he's trying to wrap up or if there's going to be updates for a while yet.
What I meant was that if the creator is not close to be finished with the game and their direction is focused around primarily anal and futa content, then I don't think I'll hang around and neither would it make sense to offer financial support beyond an appreciation of what the game was. You don't really know this direction until you see it in-game or read up on these forums or Discord.
How late I join the party is however no matter to how I spend my money or the feedback I give. The content was free as the creator decided and financial support was meant as tips.
And my feedback was that vaginal scenes in general was low, especially compared to anal - even when limiting to only a selection of friendly characters who are capable and the scenes are repeatable.
I responded that some of the arguments you provided for why Boobsgames should not make Jill/Samantha vaginal sex scenes were flawed - and Sister Elizabeth easily could have explanations. But again if Boobsgames don't wanna do it, they don't want to do it. Can't twist their arm but I can provide feedback.
Again it seems like new polls, new scenes are added continuously.
Running back through the Patreon posts and polls it also seems I was a bit hasty in saying they seemed skewed. Many of the previous polls had a different distribution of... types of scenes. I guess I'll grant the benefit of the doubt.
I specifically stated the criteria for how I counted the scenes. If there are scenes I have not encountered and are not present on the Wiki for easy reference, then I couldn't count them - it was also stated to be a rough count.You must be one of the very few who didn't change the relationship then and drop the "step" part then. (If that option to change the relationship wasn't there, can you imagine the crying for an I-Patch
Also, you might want to read this post first before you start stating the number of scenes in question https://f95zone.to/threads/warlock-and-boobs-v0-506-boobsgames.18692/post-15352763
The key was that the scenes were with friendly female characters and that they are repeatable. Having to do combat first or any kind of "wind-up" kinda eliminates the flow and are not as "useful"/"valuable" as scenes that are more easily accessible to chain - hence the weight on village NPCs.
Secondly the point was to illustrate the weighting between vaginal and anal scenes. I'm fairly certain if we counted all available scenes the ratio would be even more skewed toward anal interactions.
I like anal I imagine just as much as the average "scientist", I mean I like chocolate. But we're dipping pretty heavily into the chocolate, and I would like some more vanilla. That feedback makes a bit more sense with some data behind it. Flawed it may be, and subjective on the scope - oh yes. But more clearly defined what it is I look at, so the feedback has grounding. And to better define what I want to see in the future.
I don't think that's unreasonable.
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The ending was added last month.
It's in the changelog available through the OP.
Both...
The game has an ending, and there's still side content to finish implementing.
Based on your own words here, you didn't read info here, and went ahead posting what you did without having read about basically anything...
Oh but it is.
You're basically giving an ultimatum in a highly passive-aggressive manner, saying "Cater to me or I won't give you money!".
When did I provide any "arguments" to you?
This was your second post in both the thread and on the forums.
Saying that you're not going to provide financial support on the basis of what is/isn't in the game, is not feedback.
Why are you so invested in tellng us all about the disparity of vaginal-to-anal scenes?
You think we're not aware of it?
You think you're the first to every raise it as an issue?
We're aware, and basically don't care. You're not the first, and won't be the last.
Irrelevant is more like it...
Harsh as that sounds, it's the truth.
What you want isn't likely to be what you'll get.
Not impossible, as Boobsgames has changed his mind on vaginal between Krowly and another character already, but still unlikely.
You're right. I didn't read up on the game before I played it. I didn't think there was a reason to. When I got into this thread there were 700+ pages... that's not reasonable to ask anyone to go through to find information about the game's direction or grade of completion and neither is checking changelogs. So I asked the question here, hoping some kind soul would paint me the broad strokes. Thank you.
I'm not giving an ultimatum. What I'm saying is I didn't know the direction the game was made with and at the time I didn't know if it was close to complete. From that standpoint it seemed a good idea to address a point of feedback I had about the game - again I don't have the history of its development and don't know what issues have been discussed - but by addressing it I hoped to find out.
My idea was not to give an ultimatum but if the game's direction is not to my taste, then it doesn't make sense to me to give tips. Is that unreasonable?
You didn't. But I latched onto the conversation you, PBS666, OBLIVION, and a few others. I don't know why you're giving me lip for jumping in the discussion, but okay...When did I provide any "arguments" to you?
This was your second post in both the thread and on the forums.
Again... no ultimatum. Just a matter of "does the game direction align with what I want?"
This is really not that difficult to understand.
And having no history, I don't know that. That's why I asked for people to help me understand where the creator and the fanbase stands on the subject.
Saying feedback is irrelevant is highly subjective. Unless you know the creator's mind on this. You said they changed their minds on something else, so to me it seems feedback is relevant - even still.
If I don't say anything, then my wishes are much less likely to be granted. And I'm perfectly clear on that they are wants/desires/wishes and not demands like you make it out to be.
I think I'm going to drop this conversation, as it seems you've already painted me a certain way and don't really want to change that view. So I think we'll just annoy each other by continuing.
I will say thank you for the information you have given me.
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Its janky game design. Description on the quests doesnt match. You have to progress elsewhere first without knowing where before some quests can be progressed.