RPGM Completed Werewolf Gungirl: Fallen Wife Tamed [Final] [MoonGlow]

[sinran987654321]

As long as the writing is done right, im fine with either. But I just cant stand MTL, my brain constantly tries to correct every sentence and that just takes me out of it.

I think the writing is nice, nothing too deep. But atleast it DOESN'T have "suck on my large penis and bow down and worship it, let me abuse you and shoot out addicting aphrosiac cum so you will whore yourself more into being a human pig" kind of story. It is just a story about a guy crushing on his nice neighbour.

But rip on your tolerance on mtl. I get that MTL tend to be shit, but like some user here used to say: "There are different tier of quality of MTL: No Effort Gibberish MTL, Low Effort MTL that roughly makes sense, Medium Effort MTL but the guy isn't dedicated for a full check/minor mistake/suck at japanese so not direct and accurate translation and Large Effort MTL where the translator reviews and edits every line and does research to understand from what the original japanese was trying to say".

I forgot how bad the MTL is but atleast it Low-Medium effort I think since I enjoyed the story and had no issue get confused with the story.

 

[Iggybousse]

And takes an image of the scene to use as blackmail.
The threats gradually escalate the situation until...!

Eh, it's a blackmail game, doesn't fall under NTR to me. Never disliked something more in a story as blackmail.

 

[subaru_dono]

You know... I love NTR H-RPGs. They're generally a fun blend of some of my favorite fetishes, but... I am so tired of the "I've got a picture, you do what I say now" trope. It's just such lazy writing.


Like in this game. The Bad Guy gives the Wolfgirl Wife the Cosby treatment, and takes a picture (don't bother asking how he has a camera in a fantasy world, it's magic) of her mid-rape. He then manages to leverage evidence of a crime that he committed into blackmail material, and said Wolfgirl Wife decides that she's entirely helpless in the face of said photograph. Like... seriously? Not only is it a tired trope more commonly used to evade the need for good writing, it's also a damning indictment of both the Wolfgirl's intelligence and her faith in her husband.


"Hey honey, remember that merchant dude? Well, he roofied and raped me, and took pictures. Let's get the police/guards/rangers/whatever." That's the abridged version of how the conversation should go. The fact that she apparently just decided that giving in would be the best way to go about things, and the fact that she thought her husband would decide that a picture of her being assaulted would destroy their relationship, both indicate either deep problems on the character's part, or a profound lack of creativity on the writer's.


I enjoy NTR, but dammit, why is it always the same tired tropes? I appreciate that someone took the time to reduce the typically grating MTL, but I wish the original Dev had actually tried to come up with a creative reason about why the Wolfgirl Wife would be cucked away.

I'll tolerate the tired tropes in short form, like a <40 page comic if the art is good and I enjoy her reaction to the process, but once the story becomes more flushed out or requires engagement (like in an interactive game) that stuff grates on me too. Too many writers jump straight to the full, violent rape scene rather than a slow boil corruption story. The initial setup of, "Your boyfriend/fiance/husband doesn't have to know, it's just this small kiss/pose/BJ, and you REALLY need this money/food/medicine/magical relic key to saving your race/village/nation/world" is what I want in my erotic fantasy RPG.

 

[MaydayM'dick]

I heard this is a Japanese thing. That people are so afraid of public opinion this actually works. I hope it's just bs, pretty bad if true.

Yes, some part of is because of Japan and it's social pressure. For example train molesters do sometimes get away with shit because their victims on the train don't want to be a bother to the other passengers.

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For one the writers of a good number of these games are usually just good artists and not great writers. I also understand a wish to be brief so that you don't spend an hour playing through the game with no sex scenes, as I have unfortunately been cursed to continuously endure due to both my playstyle and the ever growing list of "bunch of fun porn games that I want to really play, but just want the sex stuff for now." Unfortunately the best mix of "Satisfying visually and storyline wise," are usually hard to find thanks to the medium being choked with low effort garbage. And some of the high effort stuff is MTL which I can't translate.

Back to your point, I do think I know what some of the worst feeling NTR is like, and that's from ScaleGarden. Great art, great build up, and then out of nowhere there's a sudden escalation, usually by someone who wasn't even built up, and thus comes right out of left field. Personally the latest ScaleGarden game, when I was playing it felt the worst and felt strangely lazy with the usually great buildup before the disappointment.

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The reason for the husband not being involved in the story or even not being present at all is because while NTR is popular what's more popular is stuff with the dressings of NTR. "She's a wife, that's 5 times hotter than someone her age that's not a wife!" These stories are basically just corruption but with the plot device called a relationship that is purely there just to:

1. Give her a reason feel bad about the corruption besides the corruption itself.
2. Involve NTR situations and plays that aren't possible without a unwitting participant.
3. Make it personal. While the woman could be corrupted normally without a lover, adding one even if they aren't focused on gives the woman an easily understandable goal and maybe even reason for their corruption.
4. Make money. NTR situations even if it's the flimsiest non-NTR NTR you've ever seen sell gangbusters. Vanilla and Corruption sell too, but because it's so easy to formulate a popcorn NTR game; as long as you aren't too ambitious it can be low cost to produce and high profit.

I'll tolerate the tired tropes in short form, like a <40 page comic if the art is good and I enjoy her reaction to the process, but once the story becomes more flushed out or requires engagement (like in an interactive game) that stuff grates on me too. Too many writers jump straight to the full, violent rape scene rather than a slow boil corruption story. The initial setup of, "Your boyfriend/fiance/husband doesn't have to know, it's just this small kiss/pose/BJ, and you REALLY need this money/food/medicine/magical relic key to saving your race/village/nation/world" is what I want in my erotic fantasy RPG.

I get this so hard. My first Norn game was only like a year ago and I thought I had skipped some scenes or something. It's a pity, I wanted to read/play through the increasingly erotic situations and art in those games, only to find out it's just a veneer to just instant slaveplay. Which I wouldn't have a problem with if that was what I was looking for, but it wasn't.

 

[phampanvn1998]

Is NTR avoidable?

 

[sinran987654321]

The reason for the husband not being involved in the story or even not being present at all is because while NTR is popular what's more popular is stuff with the dressings of NTR. "She's a wife, that's 5 times hotter than someone her age that's not a wife!" These stories are basically just corruption but with the plot device called a relationship that is purely there just to:

1. Give her a reason feel bad about the corruption besides the corruption itself.
2. Involve NTR situations and plays that aren't possible without a unwitting participant.
3. Make it personal. While the woman could be corrupted normally without a lover, adding one even if they aren't focused on gives the woman an easily understandable goal and maybe even reason for their corruption.
4. Make money. NTR situations even if it's the flimsiest non-NTR NTR you've ever seen sell gangbusters. Vanilla and Corruption sell too, but because it's so easy to formulate a popcorn NTR game; as long as you aren't too ambitious it can be low cost to produce and high profit.

Although I get what you mean, there are some issues.

For no.1, most of the general ntr and netori results in the girl feeling like she won a million bucks, the cuck, who did nothing wrong/respects his wife, wanting to kill himself and the alpha being more douche and hoping he can fuck a new wife soon.

For no.3, my issue is that they aren't putting more effort to make it more personal. It more like: "Let mention the woman has a man, alright NTR completed, now for the sex scenes." If they are doing the least amount of effort and even sometimes not even include a sprite/art/name of the husband, then they might as well make the story about single woman rape/single woman vanilla/single woman corruption. *Single as in not in a relationship not referring to 1 woman

I agree with you with 4. Heck if you go dlsite and go best selling, every page tend to atleast have 2 NTR games in them. The top 10 sales tend to have atleast 1 to 3 ntr titles, though they are rarely top 5 and in dlsite ranking by age group, most age group wants/buys ntr in their top 20.

But most NTR isn't a low risk, high reward. In dlsite, despite NTR sometimes being in the top 10 sales for the month, they tend to in the end gain atmost 1k sales or less in total.

And to alot of worldwide people, they are into the art of the ntr and not the genre. Which is why there is the phrase of "Why NTR always have the best art?"

And although, I'm sure alot of them are because NTR is profitable, I legitimately suspect that a lot of the creators/japaneses have a ntr fetish. Like in dlsite, there are 13k different works, I highly doubt half of them are because "NTR is popular for some reason, let make a quick buck". Hell some circles/creators continues to constantly put out NTR works and not try other genres.

Good discussion though!

 

[Neriathis]

WHERE IS THE NTR TAG!!?

 

[Mr.SpacePenguin]

really weird how this game doesnt have NTR tag but its a NTR game

 

[MaydayM'dick]

Although I get what you mean, there are some issues.

For no.1, most of the general ntr and netori results in the girl feeling like she won a million bucks, the cuck, who did nothing wrong/respects his wife, wanting to kill himself and the alpha being more douche and hoping he can fuck a new wife soon.

For no.3, my issue is that they aren't putting more effort to make it more personal. It more like: "Let mention the woman has a man, alright NTR completed, now for the sex scenes." If they are doing the least amount of effort and even sometimes not even include a sprite/art/name of the husband, then they might as well make the story about single woman rape/single woman vanilla/single woman corruption. *Single as in not in a relationship not referring to 1 woman

I agree with you with 4. Heck if you go dlsite and go best selling, every page tend to atleast have 2 NTR games in them. The top 10 sales tend to have atleast 1 to 3 ntr titles, though they are rarely top 5 and in dlsite ranking by age group, most age group wants/buys ntr in their top 20.

But most NTR isn't a low risk, high reward. In dlsite, despite NTR sometimes being in the top 10 sales for the month, they tend to in the end gain atmost 1k sales or less in total.

And to alot of worldwide people, they are into the art of the ntr and not the genre. Which is why there is the phrase of "Why NTR always have the best art?"

And although, I'm sure alot of them are because NTR is profitable, I legitimately suspect that a lot of the creators/japaneses have a ntr fetish. Like in dlsite, there are 13k different works, I highly doubt half of them are because "NTR is popular for some reason, let make a quick buck". Hell some circles/creators continues to constantly put out NTR works and not try other genres.

Good discussion though!

For that rebuttal to my first point, I don't know how that connects to my "Give her a reason feel bad about the corruption," though we may have gotten our wires crossed on this. That first point relates to the corruption in progress while your point seems to be about the aftermath. While she's being corrupted she would feel worse about betrayal than simply being corrupted especially for those who are less inhibited.

Warning: Tangent. Also on your other point of generally netorare and netori with the "Alpha" leaving the woman after getting bored with her, that's more of a netorare trope than netori. Netori is more the protagonist or self insert making someone their own and having the reader identify with that protagonist, and having them pump and dump the woman is usually seen as bad taste. With netorare it's more often about the humiliation inflicted and so "getting tired of her" a woman that the protagonist worked so hard for, and the "Alpha" so easily corrupted, is a further humiliation and insult to the relationship.
Tangent over.

No.3 is somewhat included in my 4th point and the initial part. NTR is popular, and "Man! Women with significant others are hotter than those without!!1!" What can I say, people like being praised to the derision of others. "Taketo could never fuck me like you Kiyoshi!" Even if Taketo is barely in the game his existence is meant to be a device for the eroticism of the scenes.

4. I didn't mean to say that it's low risk high reward, more that it's easy to write a simple NTR plot and that because of that it's possible to make a game for lower effort than some others whose narratives necessitate a larger or more complex game. Also of course there are people who solely do NTR games and other such stuff. Just because I say it's easy to capitalize on or popular doesn't mean I don't know there are genuine fans of the NTR genre among the creators. I'm saying that cookie cutter NTR and stuff with NTR dressings are partially a symptom of it's popularity. Also the stuff with NTR dressings are usually made for people who don't care much for full NTR but just want quick and dirty situations, which I will reiterate is one of the big draws of NTR.

 

[3lfscout]

NTR makes a porngame better.

I have not played THIS one but there is one thing I know:
There is hardly a better sexscene then when there is a narrow thin wall between a sleeping husband and his hard fucked wife, and she keeps begging her fucker to slow down and he then speeds up just to make her scream and wake her husband. The tears and fear on her face are delicious.

This should be in every porngame.

Or this:
The wife is fucked above her sleeping husband, and has to really fight to not piss herself, or shit herself, and it then rains on his face. So the fucker obviously needs to reach exactly that to utterly break her.

 

[MaydayM'dick]

...Okay bro, that's enough internet for today.

 

[sinran987654321]

For that rebuttal to my first point, I don't know how that connects to my "Give her a reason feel bad about the corruption," though we may have gotten our wires crossed on this. That first point relates to the corruption in progress while your point seems to be about the aftermath. While she's being corrupted she would feel worse about betrayal than simply being corrupted especially for those who are less inhibited.

Warning: Tangent. Also on your other point of generally netorare and netori with the "Alpha" leaving the woman after getting bored with her, that's more of a netorare trope than netori. Netori is more the protagonist or self insert making someone their own and having the reader identify with that protagonist, and having them pump and dump the woman is usually seen as bad taste. With netorare it's more often about the humiliation inflicted and so "getting tired of her" a woman that the protagonist worked so hard for, and the "Alpha" so easily corrupted, is a further humiliation and insult to the relationship.
Tangent over.

No.3 is somewhat included in my 4th point and the initial part. NTR is popular, and "Man! Women with significant others are hotter than those without!!1!" What can I say, people like being praised to the derision of others. "Taketo could never fuck me like you Kiyoshi!" Even if Taketo is barely in the game his existence is meant to be a device for the eroticism of the scenes.

4. I didn't mean to say that it's low risk high reward, more that it's easy to write a simple NTR plot and that because of that it's possible to make a game for lower effort than some others whose narratives necessitate a larger or more complex game. Also of course there are people who solely do NTR games and other such stuff. Just because I say it's easy to capitalize on or popular doesn't mean I don't know there are genuine fans of the NTR genre among the creators. I'm saying that cookie cutter NTR and stuff with NTR dressings are partially a symptom of it's popularity. Also the stuff with NTR dressings are usually made for people who don't care much for full NTR but just want quick and dirty situations, which I will reiterate is one of the big draws of NTR.

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Lastly, if you still have any more to say, we can pm and stop our discussion here in this thread so that we won't bother others who probably not interested with our convo. It is also because I don't want to have to reach the point where mod have to come in and remove posts due to lack of relevancy with the topic of Werewolf Gungirl: Fallen Wife Tamed

 

[MrNTR]

Disappointing.

 

[ItsNeek]

NTR makes a porngame better.

I have not played THIS one but there is one thing I know:
There is hardly a better sexscene then when there is a narrow thin wall between a sleeping husband and his hard fucked wife, and she keeps begging her fucker to slow down and he then speeds up just to make her scream and wake her husband. The tears and fear on her face are delicious.

This should be in every porngame.

Or this:
The wife is fucked above her sleeping husband, and has to really fight to not piss herself, or shit herself, and it then rains on his face. So the fucker obviously needs to reach exactly that to utterly break her.

Meh I disagree.

Believe it or not but writing (to me) has a huge impact on how erotic something is and NTR stories are just so linear (especially this one) that it really ruins it most of the time.

Take VN's as an example, they're probably the most popular hentai games as a genre and it's largely due to the writing. They make you actually feel as if you gained some kind of connection with a character and then reward you with a scene. NTR just goes "hurr duhh big musty ugly dude with large dick likes your girl duhhh." It's just so basic and they're really only made to CG dump fetish art.

Edit: I realize that there are probably some NTR VN's as well although I haven't seen any. If you could point me to some I may change my mind.

 

[subaru_dono]

Meh I disagree.

Believe it or not but writing (to me) has a huge impact on how erotic something is and NTR stories are just so linear (especially this one) that it really ruins it most of the time.

Take VN's as an example, they're probably the most popular hentai games as a genre and it's largely due to the writing. They make you actually feel as if you gained some kind of connection with a character and then reward you with a scene. NTR just goes "hurr duhh big musty ugly dude with large dick likes your girl duhhh." It's just so basic and they're really only made to CG dump fetish art.

Edit: I realize that there are probably some NTR VN's as well although I haven't seen any. If you could point me to some I may change my mind.

Most of the NTR VNs that I've found in English are from the studio Sakura Atelier. Their inconsistently translated titles can make them hard to search for individually, so it's probably easiest to just search for the studio and maybe the wife's name, like Mayumi (2 VNs), Mariko (2 VNs) or Marina (3 VNs+2 untranslated prequels). Most of the translated ones feature a husband who specifically asks his wife/gf to cuckold him. The Marina series is the high water mark for me.

 

[ItsNeek]

Most of the NTR VNs that I've found in English are from the studio Sakura Atelier. Their inconsistently translated titles can make them hard to search for individually, so it's probably easiest to just search for the studio and maybe the wife's name, like Mayumi (2 VNs), Mariko (2 VNs) or Marina (3 VNs+2 untranslated prequels). Most of the translated ones feature a husband who specifically asks his wife/gf to cuckold him. The Marina series is the high water mark for me.

I see. Will look into some of them the next time I need to find something to play. Thanks.

 

[3lfscout]

I heard this is a Japanese thing. That people are so afraid of public opinion this actually works. I hope it's just bs, pretty bad if true.

Actually that IS true. Remainder of centuries of feudalism. She can only have sex with her husband and noone else.
Unless she officially declares she's a whore first (with tons of white paint in her face for example).
If she is not a registered whore and sleeps with her fiancee?
Result: she deserves to die.
The Japanese Public does neither forget nor forgive women who say "Yes" to unmarried sex -- if she can't at least show bruises or severe coercion the Public Court will end her.

Good example would be Hirano Aya (she did the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya soundtrack and others). Just ONE incident of fucking a fellow bandmember (the guitarist I think) and her life basically ended. Instantly fired (of course the only one, the guys kept their jobs) and practically disappeared after tons of "fanmail" ("Kill yourself whore" etc.)

Meh I disagree.

Believe it or not but writing (to me) has a huge impact on how erotic something is and NTR stories are just so linear (especially this one) that it really ruins it most of the time.

Take VN's as an example, they're probably the most popular hentai games as a genre and it's largely due to the writing. They make you actually feel as if you gained some kind of connection with a character and then reward you with a scene. NTR just goes "hurr duhh big musty ugly dude with large dick likes your girl duhhh." It's just so basic and they're really only made to CG dump fetish art.

Edit: I realize that there are probably some NTR VN's as well although I haven't seen any. If you could point me to some I may change my mind.

Black Lilith VNs tend to have NTR,
a husband / father in Kangoku Senkan 2,
Kousuke in Asagi 1,
the dumb guy in Yukikaze 1 and 2,
the dumb guy in Annerose

 

[Sillynius]

Finished game.

 

[AlexVN]

You know... I love NTR H-RPGs. They're generally a fun blend of some of my favorite fetishes, but... I am so tired of the "I've got a picture, you do what I say now" trope. It's just such lazy writing.


Like in this game. The Bad Guy gives the Wolfgirl Wife the Cosby treatment, and takes a picture (don't bother asking how he has a camera in a fantasy world, it's magic) of her mid-rape. He then manages to leverage evidence of a crime that he committed into blackmail material, and said Wolfgirl Wife decides that she's entirely helpless in the face of said photograph. Like... seriously? Not only is it a tired trope more commonly used to evade the need for good writing, it's also a damning indictment of both the Wolfgirl's intelligence and her faith in her husband.


"Hey honey, remember that merchant dude? Well, he roofied and raped me, and took pictures. Let's get the police/guards/rangers/whatever." That's the abridged version of how the conversation should go. The fact that she apparently just decided that giving in would be the best way to go about things, and the fact that she thought her husband would decide that a picture of her being assaulted would destroy their relationship, both indicate either deep problems on the character's part, or a profound lack of creativity on the writer's.


I enjoy NTR, but dammit, why is it always the same tired tropes? I appreciate that someone took the time to reduce the typically grating MTL, but I wish the original Dev had actually tried to come up with a creative reason about why the Wolfgirl Wife would be cucked away.

It will probably take 30 minutes to end the game if u just call the police then arrest him lmao

 

[hewhocumsbynight]

It will probably take 30 minutes to end the game if u just call the police then arrest him lmao

I know, I know. Suspension of disbelief and all that. I just wish that, instead of forcing us to assume that all of the characters are either profoundly stupid, porn writers could actually be bothered to work out a decent plot to go along with the art. I am probably in the minority here, but I personally enjoy my porn more when it has a plot and characters with some depth to them.


But yeah, I understand that "some allowances have to be made" to allow the sexy to happen.