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Actions speak louder than words. Just because I tell people I'm going to the gym, doesn't mean I'm not on my couch eating Doritos most nights.
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On the subject of scammy devs, I think a note should be made of Patreon.
Like gym membership for a couch potato, Patreon suscription prosper on the hope that you will suscribe to a very small contribution per month and mostly forget about it. At any point, the act of canceling your subscription is more a hassle than loosing a few buck every month. You forget, you go on, you falsy rationalize than you COULD have usage of the suscription again. Most ONG don't take punctual donation anymore, they rather ask you for a small montly automated donation.
Some people are meticulous and accountable enough to look at their ledger often and terminate any no longer wanted suscription. Most people aren't.
Call it scammy, call it behavioral scheme, that's how Patreon is doing business. Are the devs accomplice of such business ? Are we willingly allowing that ? Well, it's the easiest way around. And we like easy.
Like gym membership for a couch potato, Patreon suscription prosper on the hope that you will suscribe to a very small contribution per month and mostly forget about it. At any point, the act of canceling your subscription is more a hassle than loosing a few buck every month. You forget, you go on, you falsy rationalize than you COULD have usage of the suscription again. Most ONG don't take punctual donation anymore, they rather ask you for a small montly automated donation.
Some people are meticulous and accountable enough to look at their ledger often and terminate any no longer wanted suscription. Most people aren't.
Call it scammy, call it behavioral scheme, that's how Patreon is doing business. Are the devs accomplice of such business ? Are we willingly allowing that ? Well, it's the easiest way around. And we like easy.
- Jul 14, 2017
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Oh yes, this thingy with "gym membership" (24 months in advance to save money!), I know quite well.
I signed a contract that I cannot get my money back, even when I die. Gym was 50 km away, was driving for 6 months.
When ppl are free to leave (like Patreon) and are too lazy for that, thats there own personal thing, their responsibility and their punishment.
That's the beauty about modern chains. The one we wear, we pretend to choose. The one others adorn, we judge them weak.
Anyway, its wasn't a philosophical but economical point. This is the business model of Patreon, it's a fact, it's documented, it's well studied, it's behavioral economics theory by Kahneman. It's everywhere in every field of our daily life. We can't avoid it but we can be wary of it. Don't dismiss it because it's simple or obvious. It's brilliant BECAUSE it's simple and obvious.
Anyway, its wasn't a philosophical but economical point. This is the business model of Patreon, it's a fact, it's documented, it's well studied, it's behavioral economics theory by Kahneman. It's everywhere in every field of our daily life. We can't avoid it but we can be wary of it. Don't dismiss it because it's simple or obvious. It's brilliant BECAUSE it's simple and obvious.
- Jun 19, 2017
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Honestly, it's not that bad. Patrons get a monthly detailed reciept via mail and everybody who isn't living behind the moon should get a notification on his/her phone/tablet, once the credit card/paypal is billed. That's like 2 to 3 notifactions each months (3 in my case, not counting the notifications you get, once the people you are subscribing to post something) and it literally takes 5 seconds to cancel a pledge.
So it's not like in other cases, where you could actually forget your subscription and where it's a real hassle to cancel. You really have to be hyper ignorant AND very, very lazy to forget your pledge for several months.
Developers are smart asf, working 1 hour per week while getting paid 7k+ per month. What a legend!
- Jul 7, 2017
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Still kicking myself that I never learned to draw, I know a bunch of programming languages but can't draw to save my life. I could be making a lot more than I do now and only work a few days a month if I was a patreon porn dev...
Thats why I am trying to learn to code. There are too many suckers to dry
- Oct 15, 2020
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I agree, the game is fantastic and you can unsubscribe from their Patreon and rejoin when the update arrives.
It's up to us to decide what's the best.
(I speak as both a gamer and a developer of hot games.)
It's never too late. Pewdiepie managet to do it, so you can do it too.
I'd even say: follow his steps and just draw anything, regularly. Every day or every other day, etc.
- Jun 10, 2018
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I have to say, PewDiePie is a beast. He perservered for an abnormally long time despite his art not coming out good. It's hard to pick up the pencil when you get no joy from drawing, but he did. From my experience, it seems one can only get good at their hobby at the point it stops being funIt's never too late. Pewdiepie managet to do it, so you can do it too.
I'd even say: follow his steps and just draw anything, regularly. Every day or every other day, etc.
I agree with you about the quality of the content 100%. But haven't you wondered, how is it possible, that first 4 updates were all realeased within a single year and now it's almost 2 years for single update? Is there so much new mechanics, content, etc., which could explain that? And mind you, the first releases were probably done without (much)Patreon money, while the devs probaby had been working regular jobs. It also does not help, that the last update, which took 10months was worth 2 hours of gameplay.
When the update finally comes out, I will definitely play it as I know it will be great. But will I defend the devs for not working even at 50%? Nope..
- Jul 14, 2017
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Quality does not necessarily depend on profit/hour.
Its the quality what matters for me.
If the product comes late, I have something else to do (everyone has, doesnt he ? No one sitting idle and waiting).
What I get is free, like a gift. Whenever it comes, I am happy.
Its the quality what matters for me.
If the product comes late, I have something else to do (everyone has, doesnt he ? No one sitting idle and waiting).
What I get is free, like a gift. Whenever it comes, I am happy.
But you said it yourself that it's not free. That you're paying them money on patreon in return for literally nothing for almost 2 years now.
- Jul 14, 2017
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No I said that there is a game which I supported for 2 years - without update (for some reasons).But you said it yourself that it's not free. That you're paying them money on patreon in return for literally nothing for almost 2 years now.
WAL I stopped supporting long ago.
I still think its fantastic, but my budget is limited,
and I support projects which I love even more. Projects where I love to be included in the development progress.
- Jun 17, 2019
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Actually, Pistachio addressed that (kind of) back in February (I've added release dates in italics):
So, let's see.
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So, tl;dr to your question: the first 4 updates were released within a year, but the actual time needed to complete them was 2 years, and 0.1 to 0.3 included roughly as much content as a whole as any single update released after them. 0.4 was the first update they made as a full-time job, and from that point on, updates have only become bigger, more complex (if nothing else, because they always include some encounters with other characters that may be in the middle of their own quests, and those story collisions have to be properly checked), and of higher art-quality. Money-wise, they are currently earning around the same money they earned after they released 0.5. Of course, we'll see what happens with 0.7 (taking into account all the issues they have shared with us) and, most importantly, what happens with 0.8, as much of their credibility is on the line with that one. But at least until 0.7 drops, I think they deserve to be given some slack.
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- Jun 21, 2017
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Yup, that's what abandoned looks like. Let's "discuss" it to death with the next 200 pages.
I don't want to discuss anything, I just wanted to share the screen from the patreon's video.Yup, that's what abandoned looks like. Let's "discuss" it to death with the next 200 pages.