Hey, that's 14 000 Euros of extra money for writing stupid crap about "polishing" and "bug fixing". Who would refuse?
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I have an odd and somewhat irrelevant question here, but one question to those who pledged to their Patreon: have, at any point, the devs ever paused their monthly billing? I know some honest devs who have done this, ironically they are very small devs who need the support most... But anyway I assume No.
Have you never heard about the rule of 90% done in 10% of the time, and the last 10% takes 90% of the development time.12% progress in the last 6 monthsDon't worry guys, just a bit of polishing left
Yeh real life sucks...
Hell even people are complaining about de VN 'guilty pleasure', it got 1 update almost every month.
Oh, you're still in this thread? Weird. You went missing after Xupuzulla called you out lol
I'm sorry, I think you are mistaking identity. I never was called out, and I didn't go missing. I never stopped ranting, and making fun of life either...
Edit: It seems I will never know what the F he was talking about...
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Can't wait to play another 15 mins story update, must be totally worth 2 years of subscription
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It's not that my plan was to create any impression on an audience ready to justify anything. Especially if they do it for free. Without connecting the central nervous system to the process.
Perhaps I overreacted about the 6 months spent fixing bugs. But what has changed the essence? The progress of work on their site is a scam.
At the same time, it turns out from your information that the developers do not even hide this. After all, if they add new "points" - why didn't this happen with bugs? Why does the progress that has been changing for almost 2 years not reflect the real state of affairs when it took another 2 months for BUGFIXES?
This is literally a deliberate deception - subscribe to us for another month to find out that the game is actually waiting not just a few days, but two months. At least. This is if, in the process of working out the game balance in a porn game, there are no problems with the game economy, which will take another month to eliminate.
Yeah, months of "bug fixes" on a really simple 2D VN with no branching storylines or real choices... I'm sorta lost on how you could even have a lot of bugs in the first place.
But don't worry, as soon as they burn out this excuse I'm sure a distant relative will fall ill or one of them will need appendix surgery or their dog will get cancer...
But don't worry, as soon as they burn out this excuse I'm sure a distant relative will fall ill or one of them will need appendix surgery or their dog will get cancer...
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It's exactly the opposite of a scam and you are stating why: the developers do not hide what they are doing. They are updating that info daily, and all those progress charts are kept on their public discord server, so people only need to check them to see how fast they are working. It's so obvious that things are going slow that no one with a half-functional brain can feel cheated about the development pace - frustrated? absolutely, but not cheated. People can also know how much money devs are earning, as it's also publicly available on their Patreon page. If someone chooses to pledge, is because he is fine with that, not because he's being misled into believing that the update is going to be released soon or devs may be running short of money. And those unhappy with how things are progressing only need to hit the unsubscribe button, which is as easy as hitting subscribe -and they'll still get the game for free whenever it's ready. That can't possibly be a scam.
Because the actual amount of what they call 'bugs' (you can find the description in the 'FAQ' section in the OP) can only be properly estimated once the planned content is ready. When they start any development cycle, they are aware of a few bugs from previous chapters, and then a few more get added during development as people report them or devs notice them while coding and testing parts of the new content. But it's only when everything is put together that they fully focus on looking for all the things that wouldn't work in a full build after that new content is added - which is why the bug tasks took such a bump after content tasks got to (almost) 100%.
You can think of those 'bugs' tasks as a second pass (and third, and even fourth if necessary) to make sure the 'coding' tasks were properly done: i.e., they initially added a coding task to indicate the MC needs to start a quest during the first evening at his tent after meeting a certain character; then, when they have this coding task completed and all the art and dialogues have been added, they test the full game from scratch and find out that, for some players who may choose to play the available quests in a different order, there's another quest blocking this particular scene or taking precedence when it shouldn't, and that means a bug task needs to be added. Sometimes they detect those issues while still making the planned content and update that bug count during that phase, but sometimes it's just impossible to detect them unless you start a new playthrough, or devs are just too short-sighted and don't realize those possible conflicts before it's too late. That's standard game development.
And, if you take a look at the most recent progress trackers, you'll see that these days they are mainly completing 'edit' tasks (that is, fixing art and dialogues, as stated in their message), because it's only after having those fixed when they can properly test the game again and focus on fixing actual 'bugs'.
No, it's not a deception. All those tasks they keep adding, everyone can learn about them first thing in the morning -not just patrons, but everyone. So no one needs to subscribe to find out, and that's exactly the point of making that tracker public: to let everybody know how things are progressing, as stated above. On top of that, and in case these numbers weren't explicit enough (because, as some comments I've seen today about the % of progress show, some people have serious problems with Maths even if they have 'math' in their usernames), devs keep saying the update won't be ready *soon*, but in a few months. Again, clear and transparent info so people can make informed decisions about supporting the game. Even if someone were so financially stupid to rush and pledge based only on the false assumption the game was about to be released (and anyway I wonder, why would anyone do that instead of waiting a little bit more until the game is actually out?), devs quickly stated in several public comments that we are still some months away. And this last time they even described what they are currently working on.
If they think the game needs that extra month, you can be sure they'll take that month. And fear not, everybody will know about it as soon as possible and without paying a dime for that info.
You can be frustrated, and you can not believe what devs say, but, so far, all their statements check out using fair logic. However, most of what I've seen here in the last months is exactly the opposite: twisting logic (or blatantly making false statements) to support prejudices and unmovable opinions against these devs and their supporters. It's a sad mix of frustration, jealousy, and pure trolling and brigading from self-righteous people who can't accept others freely spending their money how they see fit -or maybe from people who simply get off on collecting reactions from their online 'friends in hate' that keep patrolling the thread.
Hey as long as this thraed still not dead the game is in the same page. For me (and many people here) that not pay for Dev's Patron we still heard and see people argue so that make it still alive for sure.
As for people that lost hope or feel like thie game turn to scam hole. You can shout as loud as you want and leave. No need to recruit more people to your crusade. Look, you can judge by yourself that 'thing' are scam or not. But people can also judge by themself. Let them be and let time reveal true of this Dev'. People will decide to stop paying their monthly by themself not by someone shout at their face that their fool.
As for people that lost hope or feel like thie game turn to scam hole. You can shout as loud as you want and leave. No need to recruit more people to your crusade. Look, you can judge by yourself that 'thing' are scam or not. But people can also judge by themself. Let them be and let time reveal true of this Dev'. People will decide to stop paying their monthly by themself not by someone shout at their face that their fool.
If Fantasy Valley came back to active development I would absolutely pay for that 15 minute update. Lots of people have different ideas of what money should get you, especially when it comes to indie devs.
I think we need new formula to calculate progress...12% progress in the last 6 months
If you keep paying money to these scam artists - you are the problem!
I'm SO SAD this got abandoned! This was my new favorite game next to summertime saga. Why for the love of God was this abandoned? Please continue to work on this masterpiece, or let us know what we can do to help you continue this amazing game.
I'm SO SAD this got abandoned! This was my new favorite game next to summertime saga. Why for the love of God was this abandoned? Please continue to work on this masterpiece, or let us know what we can do to help you continue this amazing game.
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