Ren'Py Abandoned What a Legend! [v0.6.04] [MagicNuts]

[dongz69420]

Oh ok, but still, almost 2 years since the last update is kind of crazy. Is the dev doing some sort of remake/rework or is he just working on new content?

milfy city proved you can milk for years. every single dev since then has had longer times between updates. every single one.

 

[LB1990]

I honestly doesn't understand why you go on a website like f95zone if your goal is to spend money on some patreon, when you can actually pay for finished game almost everywhere, on steam or else. Patreon should be a form de compensation after you make ur work, not before. And that's why most people here got milked. The same story over and over again "oh this game is cool, i will support it... oh no the game is abandonned, but maybe if i keep supporting they will be back"

Some devs have their reason, be it because of IRL, sickness and stuff. Others just want the money. It's sad for the first category but Patreon shouldn't be allowed on this site, it's a bad system which bring bad people.That's my opinion.

Do whatever you want with ur money but don't complain if the game is abandonned, you tried and you lose ur bet. The game is still cool so you can at least enjoy the content until now.

 

[user115637]

Patreon should be a form de compensation after you make ur work, not before

it's a bad system which bring bad people

every single dev since then has had longer times between updates. every single one.

Good observations at the scale of a global patterns. Economical forces fueled by a basic human desires\emotions seems to be stronger than a rational\moralistic approach towards a supporters\product consumers. If only we could get some honest feedback from the devs. Maybe it's just a common tendency - that they just get lazy after they got some initial money flow from the first success. Or maybe most people inevitably get bored after a while, of the same routine actions during a long-running game development project.

 

[Xupuzulla]

milfy city proved you can milk for years. every single dev since then has had longer times between updates. every single one.

You are wrong,they are devs who work their ass off to release updates every month or every two months,always updating their social media.
Is the lazy ones,the scummy ones,the people who hate their game and their fans who take their sweet time releasing content and go hiding in their bunkers.

 

[massifteetees]

I honestly doesn't understand why you go on a website like f95zone if your goal is to spend money on some patreon, when you can actually pay for finished game almost everywhere, on steam or else. Patreon should be a form de compensation after you make ur work, not before. And that's why most people here got milked. The same story over and over again "oh this game is cool, i will support it... oh no the game is abandonned, but maybe if i keep supporting they will be back"

Some devs have their reason, be it because of IRL, sickness and stuff. Others just want the money. It's sad for the first category but Patreon shouldn't be allowed on this site, it's a bad system which bring bad people.That's my opinion.

Do whatever you want with ur money but don't complain if the game is abandonned, you tried and you lose ur bet. The game is still cool so you can at least enjoy the content until now.

You misunderstood the purpose of Patreon. It is not for people who want to pay for finished products. For that, you have sites like Steam. Patreon is a donation system. You support devs there not as a transaction ("I pay this value for a finished product based on what I perceive its worth"), but to support their passion ("I donate as long as I wish because I like the vision of this dev, their passion and their project").

On paper, Patreon is a good thing, especially for indie devs without budget, or hobbyist devs who have what we often call "passion projects" or "pet projects". Outside of NSFW games, Patreon helps Youtubers and content creators.

The problem is, it can easily be taken advantage of. Any devs who want quick bucks and get quick bucks and become popular, and won undying loyalty from gullible fans, can take advantage of this donation system.

Therefore, fuck these greedy devs, because there are other devs out there who are truly passionate and deserve our support.

 

[massifteetees]

It seems that the common strategy nowadays is to get people hooked subscribed and then to make them forget they subscribed - by real activity at first and then by a fake activity later, by promises. All in order to get an easy passive income from all these crowdfunding platforms.

Preach. Shame on these devs. And idk whether to pity or laugh at their gullible patrons who enable their greedy milking.

lazy ones,the scummy ones,the people who hate their game and their fans who take their sweet time releasing content and go hiding in their bunkers

Exactly. We see good devs here and there, but they are overshadowed by the big and popular greedy ones that dominate the scene, ironically enough haven't updated anything for ages, or have lazy updates.

 

[moskyx]

Good observations at the scale of a global patterns. Economical forces fueled by a basic human desires\emotions seems to be stronger than a rational\moralistic approach. If only we could get some honest feedback from the devs. Maybe it's just a common tendency - that they just get lazy after they got some initial money flow from the first success. Or maybe most people inevitably get bored after a while, of the same routine actions during a game project.

Maybe we are getting honest feedback from devs but some people just refuse to believe them

 

[user115637]

Maybe we are getting honest feedback from devs but some people just refuse to believe them
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Maybe. Hard to say in this world, hard to be sure of anything to a 100% degree, without being able to experience directly what the others feel. And there are many known cases of scum and liars in this world, which creates a rise to predispositions toward interpreting such cases as the current one in a negative light, in order to protect ourselves from the losses. We see only a peak of the iceberg in a form of a two following concurrent facts - 1) patreon payments continue to flow ; 2) updates keep getting delivered more rarely, until there aren't any at all. How to interpret these facts in a light of another facts - an open question for a discussion. And this is exactly what we do here in this thread right now. If you look at things in the light of how it's not a singular pattern with this particular game and that such pattern was observed with many other games throughout the years here... yeah, you got the idea.

 

[moskyx]

Maybe. Hard to say in this world, hard to be sure of anything 100% without being able to feel directly what the others feel and with a known cases of liars existing. We see only a peak of the iceberg in a form a facts that patreon payments continue to flow and updates getting more rare until they are absent. How to interpret these facts in a light of which other facts - an open question.

I can understand people not believing devs anymore. I have lost trust in other devs in the past, too. But not believing them doesn't mean they are lying. So when I reach my 'that's enough' point, I prefer to be cautious and silently walk away from those games, just in case I'm actually wrong with them. At most, I can point out my reasons once before leaving for good, but I never felt the need to keep around those parts just to stir the shit. I'm realizing that's an enormously enjoyable entertainment for many people, though.

 

[hisnik2]

Maybe we are getting honest feedback from devs but some people just refuse to believe them
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What stress is he talking about?
Then just released it or tell people that is finished and be done with it. I dont understand what is so stressful in this situation.

 

[moskyx]

What stress is he talking about?
Then just released it or tell people that is finished and be done with it. I dont understand what is so stressful in this situation.

You can not release what you haven't finished. You have some quality standards from 6 previous updates you want to meet, and you are not being able to do it as fast as you (and your followers) wished. So you keep working while feeling this internal pressure (I'm not good enough, I'm not fast enough) and also reading some discouraging messages from unhappy people calling you names. That's a stressful situation in my book.

 

[shazba jnr]

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So it looks like my projection was a little bit off...

 

[polycentric]

Maybe we are getting honest feedback from devs but some people just refuse to believe them
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Hi moskyx -

I haven't made a serious post in over a year, but your ongoing efforts to be a voice of reason made me want to suggest this to you: save your breath.


It's clear to me that the people that complain the most about this project don't understand what the concept of "patronage" really means, don't understand that patronage isn't transactional and aren't themselves contributing.


The idea that a very small project team can deliver updates like a weekly TV show is absurd, and all anyone has to do is compare these kinds of projects to "triple-A" games or even non-game software such as business software. I'm in the software business and the fact that people that have no financial investment in this little hobby project complain as if they were EA or Ubisoft is borderline delusional. Disney, Epic Games and George R.R. Martin miss targets by years, and yet "MagicNuts" are accused of being some kind of Machiavellian geniuses, ripping off people one dollar at a time. This is preposterous.


Look at my account - I contribute to a number of projects, I get a statement every month and, like almost everyone with a mobile phone, get alerts every time something is deducted from my bank accounts. Everyone can watch every penny coming into and out of their accounts so the idea that I'm being "ripping off a dollar at a time" is a logic fallacy. No, the real problem is:


Thirsty non-patrons are angry that they're not getting their free sex cartoons as quickly as they want them. There are posts in this thread, and other threads, where non-patrons blame people that support "slow" developers for screwing them out of content. "Ur payin dem to not do nuttin" is their cry and...

I. Don't. Care.

My patronage is a way of saying thanks for something that I enjoyed, or are currently enjoying and, unless the developer solicited patronage based on performance claims, I don't give a damn if and when another installment/chapter/whatever comes out.


I do not, and will not, provide support to developers as an incentive to release "more" content "faster" and, if I'm being completely honest, there are comments in some game threads (including this one) that make me want to pay them to NOT develop games.

So save your breath - they're not looking at these projects realistically, they don't give a rat's ass about the developer and there's nothing you or I can do to change that.

 

[moskyx]

Hi moskyx -

I haven't made a serious post in over a year, but your ongoing efforts to be a voice of reason made me want to suggest this to you: save your breath.


It's clear to me that the people that complain the most about this project don't understand what the concept of "patronage" really means, don't understand that patronage isn't transactional and aren't themselves contributing.


The idea that a very small project team can deliver updates like a weekly TV show is absurd, and all anyone has to do is compare these kinds of projects to "triple-A" games or even non-game software such as business software. I'm in the software business and the fact that people that have no financial investment in this little hobby project complain as if they were EA or Ubisoft is borderline delusional. Disney, Epic Games and George R.R. Martin miss targets by years, and yet "MagicNuts" are accused of being some kind of Machiavellian geniuses, ripping off people one dollar at a time. This is preposterous.


Look at my account - I contribute to a number of projects, I get a statement every month and, like almost everyone with a mobile phone, get alerts every time something is deducted from my bank accounts. Everyone can watch every penny coming into and out of their accounts so the idea that I'm being "ripping off a dollar at a time" is a logic fallacy. No, the real problem is:


Thirsty non-patrons are angry that they're not getting their free sex cartoons as quickly as they want them. There are posts in this thread, and other threads, where non-patrons blame people that support "slow" developers for screwing them out of content. "Ur payin dem to not do nuttin" is their cry and...

I. Don't. Care.

My patronage is a way of saying thanks for something that I enjoyed, or are currently enjoying and, unless the developer solicited patronage based on performance claims, I don't give a damn if and when another installment/chapter/whatever comes out.


I do not, and will not, provide support to developers as an incentive to release "more" content "faster" and, if I'm being completely honest, there are comments in some game threads (including this one) that make me want to pay them to NOT develop games.

So save your breath - they're not looking at these projects realistically, they don't give a rat's ass about the developer and there's nothing you or I can do to change that.

I get that, I know the type. And you failed to mention those other users who don't even care about getting their free sex cartoons and simply find their fun in posting these accusations to get a dozen reactions from fellow haters and maybe feel they triggered me or other fans. The thing is that, when I post the official info shared by the devs and my own vision and insight on this game's development, I'm not actually talking to them, but to anyone else who might casually find the thread and might get the false impression that this game is what these users claim. Which is not. It doesn't really get me and I'll keep going until mods kick me out of here. But thanks for your words. I really appreciate it.

 

[Kisama33]

I guess that everyone just forgets how things were in the past, when we didn't know about a great game until it actually came out, when the possibility of a sequel was a mystery until the said sequel got finished and ready to release, when every game didn't had a announcement, release date and lunch trailer, when there was no things like early access or dlc's, kickstarters or patreon, when we didn't have social media filled with unnecessary and repetitive information (some times even kake) everywhere.

Because of how things are now everyone's believes that companies are obligated to give them answers and explanations and the worse part is that this belief spreads even to small developers and indie companies that are so many times much better that most of the AAA's companies out there because how they work with freely in their own time and with an objective that goes many times far beyond just making money.

But I guess it's too late to go back, doing so would be a total chaos, too bad in my opinion, I miss how much simple things were back there when players are just interested in have fun and enjoy a good game, too bad indeed.

 

[Nightguy1]

Hi moskyx -

I haven't made a serious post in over a year, but your ongoing efforts to be a voice of reason made me want to suggest this to you: save your breath.


It's clear to me that the people that complain the most about this project don't understand what the concept of "patronage" really means, don't understand that patronage isn't transactional and aren't themselves contributing.


The idea that a very small project team can deliver updates like a weekly TV show is absurd, and all anyone has to do is compare these kinds of projects to "triple-A" games or even non-game software such as business software. I'm in the software business and the fact that people that have no financial investment in this little hobby project complain as if they were EA or Ubisoft is borderline delusional. Disney, Epic Games and George R.R. Martin miss targets by years, and yet "MagicNuts" are accused of being some kind of Machiavellian geniuses, ripping off people one dollar at a time. This is preposterous.


Look at my account - I contribute to a number of projects, I get a statement every month and, like almost everyone with a mobile phone, get alerts every time something is deducted from my bank accounts. Everyone can watch every penny coming into and out of their accounts so the idea that I'm being "ripping off a dollar at a time" is a logic fallacy. No, the real problem is:


Thirsty non-patrons are angry that they're not getting their free sex cartoons as quickly as they want them. There are posts in this thread, and other threads, where non-patrons blame people that support "slow" developers for screwing them out of content. "Ur payin dem to not do nuttin" is their cry and...

I. Don't. Care.

My patronage is a way of saying thanks for something that I enjoyed, or are currently enjoying and, unless the developer solicited patronage based on performance claims, I don't give a damn if and when another installment/chapter/whatever comes out.


I do not, and will not, provide support to developers as an incentive to release "more" content "faster" and, if I'm being completely honest, there are comments in some game threads (including this one) that make me want to pay them to NOT develop games.

So save your breath - they're not looking at these projects realistically, they don't give a rat's ass about the developer and there's nothing you or I can do to change that.

The people can complain as much as they want its been 2 years and this game and 90% of others would not be anywhere without these complainers on f95 so they have as much right as anybody. Its silly to think that there should be no negative feedback to such a delay idc if your a big company or a mom and pop shop .

 

[Glorious Cat]

Maybe we are getting honest feedback from devs but some people just refuse to believe them
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55% in the drain when using patreon? That much?

 

[Syrabert]

55% in the drain when using patreon? That much?

no, the 55% is the complete package as in tax, patreon cut's, insurance and so on.

 

[Glorious Cat]

no, the 55% is the complete package as in tax, patreon cut's, insurance and so on.

Yeah I know, but I thought it was more like 30/40% maximum at the end, not more than half.

 

[Syrabert]

well, don't know the proper values in spain, but here in germany as a freelancer i have to pay 43% income-tax and 21% health insurance per month, around 5k euro per year for other insurances and around 600 euro for "government stuff" per year.