Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.03] [MagicNuts]

[whichone]

Some devs are just poor time managers, others scammers or simply start slacking as they see the money pile up.

If some backers keeps supporting and feeding the devs bad habits or simply bad service, it's their individual choice...

& some devs have standards and do not want to release rushed, buggy, sloppy updates.
They would rather take their time over attention to detail, to get it correct so that they are happy with it, which is obviously not slacking.
The fact that they have offered Patreon refunds during this time shows that they are not scamming & earning $11-18 per hour (60h-40h week) each doesn't really constitue "watching the money pile up".

Maybe they are not the best at time management, maybe they just have a lot to do.
Who's to say?

I agree with your point about patrons enabling devs' poor behaviours.
If you get paid to release nothing, why should you release something? lol
But, fortunately, not all devs are like that. This dev does not seem to be.

 

[Tokenugget]

2nd thing: On what grounds do you call the images "incredibly simplistic"?
To say something such as this, you must have produced some incredibly complex art work, or perhaps have an art degree, right?
If not, then how do you evidence this seemingly unfounded opinion & substantiate your claim?

Because actual dedicated and talented developers like digi.B (Artemis) have created TWO THOUSAND AND SEVEN HUNDRED (2700) renders in 5 months.

This game is pastel artwork. So basic that it's a joke compared. And much more simple than the realife, high def developer that i mentioned

Yeah, this dev is milking it... Sorry to say, i loved this game for what released.... but at this point... Icstor comes to mind

 

[whichone]

Because actual dedicated and talented developers like digi.B (Artemis) have created TWO THOUSAND AND SEVEN HUNDRED (2700) renders in 5 months.

This game is pastel artwork. So basic that that it's a joke compared. And much more simple than the realife, high def developer that i mentioned

Yeah, this dev is milking it...

So, because someone completely different, with a totally different skillset, does that amount, you think that's automatically the benchmark for everyone?
Fucking hell, get a grip kid.
Are those renders using completely custom, self designed assets? Or are they using modified stock assets?
As a matter of fact, how many renders has gone into this release? Do you know?
If not, then your argument fails, instantly.

End of the day, it's none of your business how other people choose to spend their money.
Take your salty bitters and go back to your corner.

 

[Tokenugget]

So, because someone completely different, with a totally different skillset, does that amount, you think that's automatically the benchmark for everyone?
Fucking hell, get a grip kid.
Are those renders using completely custom, self designed assets? Or are they using modified stock assets?
As a matter of fact, how many renders has gone into this release? Do you know?
If not, then your argument fails, instantly.

End of the day, it's none of your business how other people choose to spend their money.
Take your salty bitters and go back to your corner.

I guess we'll see. Maybe you're right?? Afterall... WMV said the 2000 render update was ready in February 2022.

Man, this industry is so full of scammers

 

[whichone]

Because actual dedicated and talented developers like digi.B (Artemis) have created TWO THOUSAND AND SEVEN HUNDRED (2700) renders in 5 months.

Artemis, you say?

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Yeah dude, absolute top quality there!
No wonder they churned out so many!
Please, continue. You're fucking hilarious!!

Man, this industry is so full of scammers

That I agree with.
But, again, just because it's out there, does not mean that it automatically applies to all.
London is rife with knife crime. Doesn't mean everyone's carrying a blade.

You don't seem to understand the bottom line, that this product is available for free.
The people who choose to pay to support the dev, do so of their own choice, for their own reasons.
But they are paying to support the dev, not to buy a game. That's why they're patrons, not customers.
The devs also offered refunds for the delays.
So it doesn't stand to reason to say that they are milking.

 

[hrimthyrs]

What we need is for our Lady and Savior Gomira to come clean up this thread.

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[Tokenugget]

Artemis, you say?

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Yeah dude, absolute top quality there!
No wonder they churned out so many!

Uh i see nothing with those renders. You're comparing that to this????


You're comparing cartoons to something actually trying to create real life renders??? Pathetic.

Anyway, i don't hate this game. In fact, i loved playing it. But the dev is basically an Icstor milker

 

[Sthr ▚ nix]

Because actual dedicated and talented developers like digi.B (Artemis) have created TWO THOUSAND AND SEVEN HUNDRED (2700) renders in 5 months.

Are you comparing, 3D computer generated visual, with 2D hand drawn visual?

 

[Tokenugget]

Are you comparing, 3D computer generated visual, with 2D hand drawn visual?

Maybe? I guess 10 months past the last update and 8 grand each speaks for itself. But who knows.

 

[Sthr ▚ nix]

Maybe? I guess 10 months past the last update and 8 grand each speaks for itself. But who knows.

It's a stupid comparison actually. Because you just need to create one model and you can rig it freely throughout the development and easily created tons of renders, when the other one, you need to hand draw each frame, one by one. And not talking about artstyle, where in game like this, they just have one person to draw to maintain consistency in artstyle, where you can have 100 guys to make a 3D render, as long as they using same model.

 

[Evilfowl]

30% is a fair estimate.
Circa 20% tax (UK & US rates), Patreon fees are 5% for Lite, 8% for Pro.
There is also a Premium bracket at 12%, but I doubt many devs have gone for that.
They also charge 2.5% per foreign payment conversion.

$18 p/h is obviously calculated on a 40 hour work week ($2,876.5 pcm / 160 = 17.9).
I suspect you can add quite a bit more to this pair's weekly hours, so their hourly rate is probably considerably lower.
If they work a 60 hour week, it's $2,876.5 / 240 = $11.9 p/h.

Totally agree that these guys are still likely working their asses off, and think the idiots complaining about the wait should get over it, but you really wouldn't calculate hourly wages based off what you make post-taxes, it's a bit disingenuous. I'd say count the 8% patreon rate, you're still only sitting around around $23.63 an hour, for game development and art work that's cheap as fuck.

 

[Tokenugget]

It's a stupid comparison actually. Because you just need to create one model and you can rig it freely throughout the development and easily created tons of renders, when the other one, you need to hand draw each frame, one by one. And not talking about artstyle, where in game like this, they just have one person to draw to maintain consistency in artstyle, where you can have 100 guys to make a 3D render, as long as they using same model.

Well then... pardon my ignorance... but you're saying each of these renders are hand drawn. One by one?

Not that i doubt that, in a way... but they do reuse many "drawn" renders... it makes sense why you see only 5ish facial expressions per character. I guess the groundwork have been established. Let's hope the next update in 2025 is actually new stuff.

 

[whichone]

Totally agree that these guys are still likely working their asses off, and think the idiots complaining about the wait should get over it, but you really wouldn't calculate hourly wages based off what you make post-taxes, it's a bit disingenuous. I'd say count the 8% patreon rate, you're still only sitting around around $23.63 an hour, for game development and art work that's cheap as fuck.

OK, so pre-tax is $8,219 pcm, /2.
$4,109.5 each.
Let's say it's a 50 hour week.
That's roughly 200 hours per month.
$20.54 p/h, before any deductions.

As you say, cheap as fuck for the work.

 

[Tokenugget]

This is hand drawn art that looks good, that is digitally reproduced art & those images were pretty shit.
You, once again, prove that you do not have the first clue what you're talking about.
Well done.
Now back in your bitter little corner.

Just as long as i have my bottle of Titos.

 

[Tokenugget]

You were funny before, but you're becoming boring now.
Just take your doubts & join a PM with the other 3-4 people who share your unfounded, baseless opinion.
You can all validate each other in a little pity party.
Obviously the 2,000+ people who are happy to choose to financially support this dev are much more stupid than you 5 intellectual titans.
You are not achieving anything here, other than painting yourself as an object of mockery.

Not trying to humor you... sorry if you don't feel special. I'm Just expressing an opinion on a porn game in a corrupt world. You don't have to like it.

 

[HarryFlash]

All this talk of milking is just pointless until the update comes out. If the content and quality are there then obviously they haven't been milking. If the update doesn't then all the milking comments may hold true.
The only thing we know for sure is magicnuts has delivered every time they released an update so far.

 

[Tokenugget]

All this talk of milking is just pointless until the update comes out. If the content and quality are there then obviously they haven't been milking. If the update doesn't then all the milking comments may hold true.
The only thing we know for sure is magicnuts has delivered every time they released an update so far.

Yes and no. As i've said, the game that's released is amazing. No doubt about it.


Time to get my drunk ass to bed

 

[Sthr ▚ nix]

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[Sthr ▚ nix]

Now that Lewandowski join the party . . .

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

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