Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.03] [MagicNuts]

[BlacxXanderz]

I think I know why people here are angry with this dev...

 

[PPeters98]

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I think I know why people here are angry with this dev...

Well before christmas, so it's gonne be soon. Unless those woke nutjobs destroy out Christmas too....

 

[Xupuzulla]

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I think I know why people here are angry with this dev...

What the actual fuck...
Like seriously is this photoshop or something?
Those comments cant be real.

 

[Grey62]

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I think I know why people here are angry with this dev...

Holy fuck, the audacity! People, this is a renpy game not a creation engine game. There shouldnt be this much problem.

 

[moskyx]

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I think I know why people here are angry with this dev...

Probably because they don't read my messages anymore. Pistachio's words about posing are basically what I said one month ago:

This is 3 lines of text in a complex scene in WaL:

    show abusmall ewide sangry
    show pov enarrow hfneu2 hbneu2 msmile bangry scrazyhair
    show rose basemessy xwings xhornsnude enarrow bangryn msmile at s_left:
        xalign -0.5 alpha 1
    $ renpy.music.set_volume(0.8, channel='sfx4')
    play sfx4 "audio/magicdemon2.ogg" fadein 0.5
    abu "WHHHHHAAAAAAATTTTTTT?!" with vpunch
    show rose eneu bupn
    show pov hfreach eclosed bup at m_left with moveinleft:
        xalign 0.3 xzoom -1.0
    show pov hfneu2 eneudown
    show abusmall at t_right with moveoutleft:
        xalign 1.5 xzoom -1.0
    show pov hfneu1 hbneu1 bsad mneu
    show abusmall at t_right with quickdissolve:
        xzoom 1.0 xalign 1.5
    show rose bsadn
    show abusmall eangry sangry
    with quickdissolve
    pov "Ah, Rose, I was worried you wouldn't come."
    show rose ewide bupn mneu
    show pov ewideb bup mcry
    show abusmall eangry
    abu "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!" with vpunch

And that's basically the same for every piece of dialog. That's what they call 'posing'. This coding structure you see above needs to be done for every single dialog line in the game (maybe on a different scale, but still), and then you need to replay the scene taking extra care to detect if every single one of those short orders works as intended and make actual sense. Of course, if you edit the dialog lines, all those orders need to be adjusted too, and then checked once again.

Another reason may be that this is one of the few devs who don't lure people into thinking 'the update is around the corner' but keeps saying that it will take as much time as he needs to create a similar experience to previous updates (that's his next message, that for some reason you choose not to include in this screenshot you posted here after he wrote that second, missing message). And, well, people here tend to want everything tailored around their own wishes and whims, and sometimes that's not how things work in real life, and they get angry.

 

[fusibile87]

Lmao for Christmas... they really started working for this two months ago

Probably because they don't read my messages anymore. Pistachio's words about posing are basically what I said one month ago:


Another reason may be that this is one of the few devs who don't lure people into thinking 'the update is around the corner' but keeps saying that it will take as much time as he needs to create a similar experience to previous updates (that's his next message, that for some reason you choose not to include in this screenshot you posted here after he wrote that second, missing message). And, well, people here tend to want everything tailored around their own wishes and whims, and sometimes that's not how things work in real life, and they get angry.

Why they are basically redoing everything two years into the update? Oh yeah, they are not redoing it, they asre starting doing things now. Those dialogues aren't being "updated", they are being created right now after two years of not working

 

[moskyx]

Lmao for Christmas... they really started working for this two months ago



Why they are basically redoing everything two years into the update? Oh yeah, they are not redoing it, they asre starting doing things now. Those dialogues aren't being "updated", they are being created right now after two years of not working

He didn't say Christmas is the new deadline, ffs. Learn how to read

 

[Xupuzulla]

Christmas LMFAO!!!!!
Pack it up,is so over is not even funny

 

[Kisama33]

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I think I know why people here are angry with this dev...

The whole interaction is cool and all but omg the only thing that is calling my attention all the time, even now are those 15634 pings, and I thought that I had a problem with my 3300+ tabs on Firefox and then more 1200+ tabs on Chrome, god lord just delete that account and make a brand new on.

'.'.'.'.'.SAVE YOURSELF FROM THAT "pINg nIGtmaRe".'.'.'.'.'








Nah, I joking, just do whatever you want, you are fine, I am fine and everything is fine, as long as any of us doesn't spot any dog sit on a chair surrounded by flames we are fine

 

[Whitelightsuicide]

I told you all this game is an actual scam.

 

[DemiMaximoff]

Probably because they don't read my messages anymore. Pistachio's words about posing are basically what I said one month ago:


Another reason may be that this is one of the few devs who don't lure people into thinking 'the update is around the corner' but keeps saying that it will take as much time as he needs to create a similar experience to previous updates (that's his next message, that for some reason you choose not to include in this screenshot you posted here after he wrote that second, missing message). And, well, people here tend to want everything tailored around their own wishes and whims, and sometimes that's not how things work in real life, and they get angry.

The dude who's sunk money into a scam is in denial to justify his spendings. Who could have thought

 

[hoshimota]

Christmas LMFAO!!!!!
Pack it up,is so over is not even funny

He didn't say THIS Christmas either lmao

Also I love how mosk is doing double duty holding the line for the devs both here and in the discord...

 

[BlacxXanderz]

Probably because they don't read my messages anymore. Pistachio's words about posing are basically what I said one month ago:


Another reason may be that this is one of the few devs who don't lure people into thinking 'the update is around the corner' but keeps saying that it will take as much time as he needs to create a similar experience to previous updates (that's his next message, that for some reason you choose not to include in this screenshot you posted here after he wrote that second, missing message). And, well, people here tend to want everything tailored around their own wishes and whims, and sometimes that's not how things work in real life, and they get angry.

You mean, this? Look at the time when I wrote the screenshot comment here and the time when dev write new comment in discord dude. I just think dev mustn't give the answer like that to their supporters and fans. They had receive amount of money from patreon, it's like you have a job and target for the project to complete. But you give your supporters and fans the answers like the project never meet the ending. And that's why I think people here get mad with this dev.

And you know, why I ask the dev "do you still have guts to join the conversation in F95?" a few weeks or days ago? (I forgot) Because people here are very frustated with this update. They always support the dev (people get mad and angry 'cause they still believe with this game). If the dev itself give the answer here, or maybe update this thread, I think people here will really understanding about the reason or the answer. They just need the dev to give certainty this thread (or game) is not abandoned.

 

[fusibile87]

"Our update is gonna have the same quality as the others"
Then why other ones required 8-10 months, while this one is 2+ years...

 

[Mordikay]

Probably because they don't read my messages anymore. Pistachio's words about posing are basically what I said one month ago:


Another reason may be that this is one of the few devs who don't lure people into thinking 'the update is around the corner' but keeps saying that it will take as much time as he needs to create a similar experience to previous updates (that's his next message, that for some reason you choose not to include in this screenshot you posted here after he wrote that second, missing message). And, well, people here tend to want everything tailored around their own wishes and whims, and sometimes that's not how things work in real life, and they get angry.

To be fair to the guy I don't think anyone reads your msgs anymore when it's all just making excuses for the ones holding the leash.

 

[Kisama33]

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You mean, this? Look at the time when I wrote the screenshot comment here and the time when dev write new comment in discord dude. I just think dev mustn't give the answer like that to their supporters and fans. They had receive amount of money from patreon, it's like you have a job and target for the project to complete. But you give your supporters and fans the answers like the project never meet the ending. And that's why I think people here get mad with this dev.

And you know, why I ask the dev "do you still have guts to join the conversation in F95?" a few weeks or days ago? (I forgot) Because people here are very frustated with this update. They always support the dev (people get mad and angry 'cause they still believe with this game). If the dev itself give the answer here, or maybe update this thread, I think people here will really understanding about the reason or the answer. They just need the dev to give certainty this thread (or game) is not abandoned.

If there is still such a thing like "fans" in this thread and they are that interested in knowing what is going on they can just join the discord and ask there. Expecting a dev to go to each platform and forum where there is supposed to be "fans" waiting for news is naive especially in a situation like this.

They come here, give their excuses and then what? Just the usual, a group of people (that is now predominant for obvious reason) will gather around, call them liers and scammers, distorce their words to fit their own versions of the story and then laugh together in commemoration for whatever they believe to have accomplished.

But that would not only help only them having fun, would help the devs too, because they would get even another excuse to blame for the "delay", they could just claim that because they now have to spend more time with "damage control" they can't work as much as they wished and because of that the update will take even longer than planned and I don't think fans would want that, and if all they needed is a direct explanation to "believe" in the whole story about the development of the update then they really are easier to trick (not taking any sides here, there may be no trick or lies or scams going on here).

Now an advice to you and everyone else that maybe in the same situation, if you are not here to troll and have fun around with the situation and you are actually sad or frustrated with all of this, for more harder that it may sound, JUST FORGET ABOUT THE GAME, for a year, for a decade, forever if it needs to be, if you are not feeling well with the situation then it's nor worthy, you should not feel frustrated for not getting what you want when you want and if you don't know how to deal with that the best you can do it's not deal at all.

 

[moskyx]

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You mean, this? Look at the time when I wrote the screenshot comment here and the time when dev write new comment in discord dude. I just think dev mustn't give the answer like that to their supporters and fans. They had receive amount of money from patreon, it's like you have a job and target for the project to complete. But you give your supporters and fans the answers like the project never meet the ending. And that's why I think people here get mad with this dev.

And you know, why I ask the dev "do you still have guts to join the conversation in F95?" a few weeks or days ago? (I forgot) Because people here are very frustated with this update. They always support the dev (people get mad and angry 'cause they still believe with this game). If the dev itself give the answer here, or maybe update this thread, I think people here will really understanding about the reason or the answer. They just need the dev to give certainty this thread (or game) is not abandoned.

Well, if devs can't give a better estimation than "it will take as much time as it needs, and not less", what do you suggest them to do? To give a fake deadline they may not meet, giving false hopes only to crush them later? To go silent and let the doubts about their actual work creep in? Both options would make them look like actual scammers. This is a clear case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, so it's best to just stick with the same kind of response they've been giving since they stopped giving (and missing) deadlines back in 0.3.

Also, I think you are wrong in your assumptions about the people in this thread. At this point, even releasing an update wouldn't stop the users who simply don't like what these devs are doing and how they are doing it. Having the dev dealing with these guys wouldn't change anything except dev's mood, and not for the best. If people are genuinely interested in what's going on with development they can join the free Discord (everyone can see we don't kick people out for criticizing or even complain about the delay as long as it's respectfully done) or just read my messages here and check the progress tracker someone uses to post.

 

[halo456]

its so over. the best 2 games on here(saga and this one) got abandoned tag and the devs are juicing money...stalling etc...

 

[HarryFlash]

I think magicnuts is in a bit of a losing situation with this release because of the time that has passed.
They're best chance of regaining a lot of the good will that they may have lost are:
1. Make sure the quality and length of the update are at a good standard when it does eventually release.
2. When it comes to the next update. Try to plan it so it'll release in 6 to 9 months and if it looks like it might take longer. Break it up into smaller parts, so there's always something being released in a reasonable amount of time.

A lot of people forget this is their first project, and it's perfectly natural for a new developer to make mistakes. And underestimating the time required to complete a project is one of the most common mistakes any new team makes. Hopefully they learn from this and return to releasing top notch content at a more regular pace.

 

[Xupuzulla]

2. When it comes to the next update. Try to plan it so it'll release in 6 to 9 months and if it looks like it might take longer. Break it up into smaller parts, so there's always something being released in a reasonable amount of time.

This point is very important,fuck the few who want long updates,releasing content often is always better than waiting for "big" updates.