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The_Dirge

Newbie
Oct 19, 2018
25
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So there's a fetish out there called 'financial domination'. Its sort of like sado/masochist bondage play, only the person's wallet is the thing getting abused. There is little to no actual sexual contact between the two parties.
If that sounds weird, and youre wondering what sort of person would actually consider doing this - somehow getting off on the idea of shoveling money into a furnace - look at the guy above this post for an idea. ;)
 

GaRbS

Member
Apr 3, 2018
303
548
We don't know if it's "characters have a wrong expression in a few scenes" bug or "The mouse doesn't move anymore" bug. There's no point asking for a buggy release
There is a point, because the people on this forum could literally just fix those bugs faster than these devs for free. But that's counterproductive to milking so it's not on their best interests to do that.
 

Rexizor

Member
Mar 4, 2021
171
83
Is this game actually abandoned or is the dev just taking a long time with the next update? I know F95 does that from time to time (Bone's Tales: The Manor for example IIRC).

If it is abandoned, that's really disappointing. One of the greats in terms of VN games for me, and it would suck for it to go the way of so many very promising games and fall to burnout, demanding/ungrateful fans, and/or feature creep.
 

Kisama33

Active Member
May 13, 2018
692
988
Is this game actually abandoned or is the dev just taking a long time with the next update? I know F95 does that from time to time (Bone's Tales: The Manor for example IIRC).

If it is abandoned, that's really disappointing. One of the greats in terms of VN games for me, and it would suck for it to go the way of so many very promising games and fall to burnout, demanding/ungrateful fans, and/or feature creep.
So far the reason for the Abandoned tag is only related to this website rules that without any update for 18 months puts a "Abandoned" tag in it, the game was bot been declared abandoned by the devs or anything like that.
 
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figaro_negaro

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Jan 31, 2024
32
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So far the reason for the Abandoned tag is only related to this website rules that without any update for 18 months puts a "Abandoned" tag in it, the game was bot been declared abandoned by the devs or anything like that.
Yep, the dev came on here to let everyone know right as the Abandoned tag went on this game was clearly not abandoned and that the update was almost done, like... 4-5 months ago... so yea...

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Nov 25, 2018
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There's literally thousands of comments talking about the abandoned tag and this ape got mad no one except the discord mod answered his retarded question.
Poor fellow, apologies if my post was to complicated for you to read. Their clearly was no rage in my statement, that would be like feeling anger for ants at my feet. I am simply disappointed that we don't have a better community here, even if it is a gooner nest.
 
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Rexizor

Member
Mar 4, 2021
171
83
How about everyone just... stops being mad and insulting each other? Like, if we want to have a useful, productive, and just generally good-to-be-around comment thread... How about we stop just repeating the same points of "gamedev is hard" and "dev is a scumbag lol" and just have a discussion about it?

Like, sure the dev is taking a while to make this update, and it might be a slower pace than early updates, but lets be honest here: Have you seen a porn game that didn't slow down in update speed after some time? The early updates are always the fastest, since the devs don't have that many expectations on them for high quality, and they don't have as much content and story complexity to work around. Everyone expects each update to be at least as good as the last one, and if updates just take more time as time goes on, the players/patreons will expect the longer updates to be better to justify. Not to mention that devs work quick on the first updates since they're full of energy. They haven't been hit by burnout since they just started, but as time goes on, it can get tiring to work on a project for such a long stretch consecutively, even one you really like, as I can personally attest to (although obviously to a lesser extent, I'm not really a gamedev.) Plus, I don't know if the dev is working full time on the game or whether they also have a day job, and if so, you guys should really be giving a bit more slack.

However, the dev making the players wait so long for one big update rather than finding some way to either release it as either a buggy "beta-version" situation (like most games, porn or otherwise, seem to do these days), or even splitting up the update into two or more parts. If the update takes this long to put out compared to other ones, where Patreon's system bills monthly/yearly, the dev should have almost certainly gone with some other plan over making Patrons wait more than a year for a single actual update to the game. I don't know whether the dev has done this, but I see lots of other devs, artists, or content creators of other types refunding their Patrons for billing cycles they didn't put anything out on. That seems like a very reasonable thing for this dev to do given the situation, for at least some of the billing cycles, and the fact that they haven't (if they haven't, again, i don't know), is a little suspect. Not impossible that the dev either doesn't know that that's a thing they can even do, or that the dev is just really lacking in terms of money, but if the latter, then the dev should definitely make a statement about it.

Also, despite what I said in the prior section, the speed of updates is pretty unreasonable by any standards, unless this update is just inordinately massive. It is a complicated game with very well-made art, but that doesn't justify the absolute massive timescale of this update. True, the game is made by one person who may or may not have a day job too (idk), but this is just one update, not a whole feature-complete game. And the Patrons aren't investors, so really, comparing this to mainstream game dev just isn't helpful, there's too many dissimilarities.

In the end, Patreon donations are completely voluntary, and if you're a Patron and continue to donate, you should notice the pattern that this update is taking way long to make, and either stop being a patron (like I'm sure many have already), or come to terms with the truth that the game may not be getting done any time soon, regardless of whether that's due to poor work ethic or a dedication to quality and making their game the best it can be. If you aren't a patron, have a little gratitude to those who are, for funding a dev who would likely have a lot less reason to be giving you guys free and high quality porn games if not for their donations.

And please, nobody talk about patrons "dickriding" the dev, or non-patrons being stupid and not understanding how gamedev works in "the real world" or whatever. It doesn't accomplish much of anything besides wasting everyone's time, making random strangers feel worse about themselves/get angry for no good reason, and making this comments section completely unusable.
 

TommyV23

Member
Mar 10, 2019
108
206
I mean, it's more than obvious to me (and hopefully everyone else) that the whole progress log was fake and that they are currently developing the new update. I really enjoy playing the game, but to rip off the supporters like that is really a shame...

...the abandoned tag is more than justified imo :(
 

Daskapitall

Member
Apr 25, 2023
106
211
How about everyone just... stops being mad and insulting each other? Like, if we want to have a useful, productive, and just generally good-to-be-around comment thread... How about we stop just repeating the same points of "gamedev is hard" and "dev is a scumbag lol" and just have a discussion about it?

Like, sure the dev is taking a while to make this update, and it might be a slower pace than early updates, but lets be honest here: Have you seen a porn game that didn't slow down in update speed after some time? The early updates are always the fastest, since the devs don't have that many expectations on them for high quality, and they don't have as much content and story complexity to work around. Everyone expects each update to be at least as good as the last one, and if updates just take more time as time goes on, the players/patreons will expect the longer updates to be better to justify. Not to mention that devs work quick on the first updates since they're full of energy. They haven't been hit by burnout since they just started, but as time goes on, it can get tiring to work on a project for such a long stretch consecutively, even one you really like, as I can personally attest to (although obviously to a lesser extent, I'm not really a gamedev.) Plus, I don't know if the dev is working full time on the game or whether they also have a day job, and if so, you guys should really be giving a bit more slack.

However, the dev making the players wait so long for one big update rather than finding some way to either release it as either a buggy "beta-version" situation (like most games, porn or otherwise, seem to do these days), or even splitting up the update into two or more parts. If the update takes this long to put out compared to other ones, where Patreon's system bills monthly/yearly, the dev should have almost certainly gone with some other plan over making Patrons wait more than a year for a single actual update to the game. I don't know whether the dev has done this, but I see lots of other devs, artists, or content creators of other types refunding their Patrons for billing cycles they didn't put anything out on. That seems like a very reasonable thing for this dev to do given the situation, for at least some of the billing cycles, and the fact that they haven't (if they haven't, again, i don't know), is a little suspect. Not impossible that the dev either doesn't know that that's a thing they can even do, or that the dev is just really lacking in terms of money, but if the latter, then the dev should definitely make a statement about it.

Also, despite what I said in the prior section, the speed of updates is pretty unreasonable by any standards, unless this update is just inordinately massive. It is a complicated game with very well-made art, but that doesn't justify the absolute massive timescale of this update. True, the game is made by one person who may or may not have a day job too (idk), but this is just one update, not a whole feature-complete game. And the Patrons aren't investors, so really, comparing this to mainstream game dev just isn't helpful, there's too many dissimilarities.

In the end, Patreon donations are completely voluntary, and if you're a Patron and continue to donate, you should notice the pattern that this update is taking way long to make, and either stop being a patron (like I'm sure many have already), or come to terms with the truth that the game may not be getting done any time soon, regardless of whether that's due to poor work ethic or a dedication to quality and making their game the best it can be. If you aren't a patron, have a little gratitude to those who are, for funding a dev who would likely have a lot less reason to be giving you guys free and high quality porn games if not for their donations.

And please, nobody talk about patrons "dickriding" the dev, or non-patrons being stupid and not understanding how gamedev works in "the real world" or whatever. It doesn't accomplish much of anything besides wasting everyone's time, making random strangers feel worse about themselves/get angry for no good reason, and making this comments section completely unusable.
i'm not gonna read a article about porn game. can anybody summurize this ?
 

shazba jnr

Member
Feb 3, 2024
399
2,867
How about everyone just... stops being mad and insulting each other? Like, if we want to have a useful, productive, and just generally good-to-be-around comment thread... How about we stop just repeating the same points of "gamedev is hard" and "dev is a scumbag lol" and just have a discussion about it?

Like, sure the dev is taking a while to make this update, and it might be a slower pace than early updates, but lets be honest here: Have you seen a porn game that didn't slow down in update speed after some time? The early updates are always the fastest, since the devs don't have that many expectations on them for high quality, and they don't have as much content and story complexity to work around. Everyone expects each update to be at least as good as the last one, and if updates just take more time as time goes on, the players/patreons will expect the longer updates to be better to justify. Not to mention that devs work quick on the first updates since they're full of energy. They haven't been hit by burnout since they just started, but as time goes on, it can get tiring to work on a project for such a long stretch consecutively, even one you really like, as I can personally attest to (although obviously to a lesser extent, I'm not really a gamedev.) Plus, I don't know if the dev is working full time on the game or whether they also have a day job, and if so, you guys should really be giving a bit more slack.

However, the dev making the players wait so long for one big update rather than finding some way to either release it as either a buggy "beta-version" situation (like most games, porn or otherwise, seem to do these days), or even splitting up the update into two or more parts. If the update takes this long to put out compared to other ones, where Patreon's system bills monthly/yearly, the dev should have almost certainly gone with some other plan over making Patrons wait more than a year for a single actual update to the game. I don't know whether the dev has done this, but I see lots of other devs, artists, or content creators of other types refunding their Patrons for billing cycles they didn't put anything out on. That seems like a very reasonable thing for this dev to do given the situation, for at least some of the billing cycles, and the fact that they haven't (if they haven't, again, i don't know), is a little suspect. Not impossible that the dev either doesn't know that that's a thing they can even do, or that the dev is just really lacking in terms of money, but if the latter, then the dev should definitely make a statement about it.

Also, despite what I said in the prior section, the speed of updates is pretty unreasonable by any standards, unless this update is just inordinately massive. It is a complicated game with very well-made art, but that doesn't justify the absolute massive timescale of this update. True, the game is made by one person who may or may not have a day job too (idk), but this is just one update, not a whole feature-complete game. And the Patrons aren't investors, so really, comparing this to mainstream game dev just isn't helpful, there's too many dissimilarities.

In the end, Patreon donations are completely voluntary, and if you're a Patron and continue to donate, you should notice the pattern that this update is taking way long to make, and either stop being a patron (like I'm sure many have already), or come to terms with the truth that the game may not be getting done any time soon, regardless of whether that's due to poor work ethic or a dedication to quality and making their game the best it can be. If you aren't a patron, have a little gratitude to those who are, for funding a dev who would likely have a lot less reason to be giving you guys free and high quality porn games if not for their donations.

And please, nobody talk about patrons "dickriding" the dev, or non-patrons being stupid and not understanding how gamedev works in "the real world" or whatever. It doesn't accomplish much of anything besides wasting everyone's time, making random strangers feel worse about themselves/get angry for no good reason, and making this comments section completely unusable.
It’s a husband and wife team and they work full time on this game. They’ve had some typical life events interfere with development.

I understand they’ve actually had two kids over the last two years, and one of the devs needed some surgery for something, so that changes the dynamics a bit. It’s very likely that one of the two devs doesn’t work full time on this game anymore, that’d be understandable, and very normal.

In the grand scheme of things, good luck to the devs if they can have patrons pay for their lives as they produce this little game at such a slow pace now. It’s none of our business how well they do off the back of supporters.

But here’s a singular statistic that completely justifies why people are sceptical of the latest episode’s development:
  • Episodes 1-6 combined took a little over 2 years to complete all together. Episode 7 has taken over two years on its own.
i'm not gonna read a article about porn game. can anybody summurize this ?
They said, “Now now, play nice, children.” :p
 

Rexizor

Member
Mar 4, 2021
171
83
It’s a husband and wife team and they work full time on this game. They’ve had some typical life events interfere with development.

I understand they’ve actually had two kids over the last two years, and one of the devs needed some surgery for something, so that changes the dynamics a bit. It’s very likely that one of the two devs doesn’t work full time on this game anymore, that’d be understandable, and very normal.
Thanks for the info, that's good to know. Seems kinda odd to me how many husband-and-wife lewd-game-dev teams I've seen recently. Or maybe that's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.

But here’s a singular statistic that completely justifies why people are sceptical of the latest episode’s development:
  • Episodes 1-6 combined took a little over 2 years to complete all together. Episode 7 has taken over two years on its own.
I never said people weren't justified about complaining about the dev time. I think it is absolutely justifiable to complain about. However, doing so by insulting the patrons or the dev, and the dev's supporters insulting them back isn't accomplishing much of anything. I'm sure that the reason the dev time is so long is a combination of just real-life factors getting in the way, expectation and feature creep, and also possibly the dev not feeling very motivated to work on it, either because they're getting paid either way, or just because of burnout/similar things. I'm also quite skeptical about the dev time, I was just trying to present both sides of the argument in a concise and reasonable form so as to make it easier for people to see both sides of the issue as valid points.

Also, yeah, your summary of my previous comment is pretty accurate.
 

Darnbob

Newbie
Aug 11, 2018
58
166
This game was last updated more than 2 years ago. Yes, updates take longer with each patch, but not like this - and frankly, unless they literally double the amount of content they have in the game, it doesn't justify taking 2 years for a SINGLE update. It's pretty obvious that the devs are dragging the updates out to milk their patrons.
 

Rexizor

Member
Mar 4, 2021
171
83
This game was last updated more than 2 years ago. Yes, updates take longer with each patch, but not like this - and frankly, unless they literally double the amount of content they have in the game, it doesn't justify taking 2 years for a SINGLE update. It's pretty obvious that the devs are dragging the updates out to milk their patrons.
You are correct that no singular factor can make a game take so much longer, but factor in all the individual factors, then it becomes a bit more obvious why it could happen. Of course, there's probably a good amount of... not the best behavior in there. But lets not be hasty and assume the worst intentions in a dev. Most likely they did have a semi-significant number of days when they did less work than they were supposedly being paid for, but I assume you can imagine how demotivating working on a project for so long could be, due to all these complications reducing the time they could work and giving them a lot of financial issues. Read the post above your comment for more info.
 
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