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caviarkush1

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We all love the game, that's why we're frustrated with the lack of updates. Even the developers have said 2 years is inexcusable.

I can't understand why this guy is fighting on the frontlines - defending the developers' lack of updates when even the developers themselves admit this is unacceptable.

Everyone is right to be frustrated at this, especially when some are financially supporting it.
 

moskyx

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Jun 17, 2019
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We all love the game, that's why we're frustrated with the lack of updates. Even the developers have said 2 years is inexcusable.

I can't understand why this guy is fighting on the frontlines - defending the developers' lack of updates when even the developers themselves admit this is unacceptable.

Everyone is right to be frustrated at this, especially when some are financially supporting it.
I'm not fighting, I'm just sharing official info when I feel other people are spreading wrong info like playtesting taking 2 months, and also stating every once in a while that not believing in devs' word doesn't mean they are lying. As you said, devs are the first to acknowledge this is an unacceptable situation. The 0.8 update will be the real test for them: if they manage to release it within a reasonably quick timeframe and everything comes back to what it was before 0.7, there would be no harm done; if they claim they keep facing unexpected real-life issues and delaying the update, I'll be the first one leaving this thread to rotten.
 

Kisama33

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i dont get it, according to the first page there was an update on "2024-08-27", so none of the conditions were met, also if there was an recent update idk why the game page (when searched) show the last update as 2 years ago
The "update" in question is not considered even an update at all, it's more like a patch to make the original game compatible with the new Patreon guidelines (check the changelog for details about these changes).

Nos I don't know what "page" you are talking about but the original website for the game page and probably patreon have the new version/patch available to download same for the OP of this thread.
 
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Kisama33

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The 0.8 update will be the real test for them: if they manage to release it within a reasonably quick timeframe and everything comes back to what it was before 0.7, there would be no harm done; if they claim they keep facing unexpected real-life issues and delaying the update, I'll be the first one leaving this thread to rotten.
This is how I see it too, I can't say for sure if what they are saying the truth but can't say the opposite either.

The frustration people have is what you can expect from "consumers", the "process" doesn't matter to them only the "product" and for more than 2 years all they got was the "process". But it's still true that 6 updates released without issues and in the first 1 things went wrong they immediately turned their back to the "product" they enjoyed so far because that was "easier" to them. Some even try to label it a "scam" (and it may very well be one) with the expectation that this would make the devs work faster (that has in fact what also happened at some point some when members requested the abandoned tag for this exact motive and look how much that helped).

Now I will not play this game again until it's finished/abandoned officially but I still want to see how the next update is going to turn out. I want to know if the benefit of doubt I gave them is deserved or not. And I know very well that if they really want to recover the trust from their fans and supporters they must do it different this time no mattering if the motives they gave were real or not, 0.8 may be the final test to save their reputation.
 

Porn_Jesus

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Wouldn't be surprised they release this new build and then call it quits due to overwhelming bad feedback.

Ofc no bugfixing, build is fucked up with lots of errors. :D
 

Kisama33

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Wouldn't be surprised they release this new build and then call it quits due to overwhelming bad feedback.

Ofc no bugfixing, build is fucked up with lots of errors. :D
From what I can see this "overwhelming bad feedback" is exclusive to this place, other places like itch.io, Newgrounds and even reddit are free of that for the most time and when it happens is in a more respectful way and with less toxicity,

Can't say anything about how it is on discord or what amount of work is made by mods to keep it that way in each of those places but that would be a bad excuse to use and harder to accept than a simple "We just don't feel engaged to keep working in this project anymore", at least from my perspective.
 

moskyx

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From what I can see this "overwhelming bad feedback" is exclusive to this place, other places like itch.io, Newgrounds and even reddit are free of that for the most time and when it happens is in a more respectful way and with less toxicity,

Can't say anything about how it is on discord or what amount of work is made by mods to keep it that way in each of those places but that would be a bad excuse to use and harder to accept than a simple "We just don't feel engaged to keep working in this project anymore", at least from my perspective.
Discord is pretty chill despite being open to non-patrons, who have less info about development and are logically bound to ask more often why it's taking so long, sometimes not with the best manners. Sure, every once in a while someone comes in straight-up laughing at patrons and insulting devs, but those are a clear minority; most newcomers and randos only ask if there's any ETA, get their info, and go back to their silent wait. People tend to voice their concerns respectfully, or simply stop supporting the game and leave quietly, as adults do.

In fact, I think this announcement of an upcoming ETA came because someone on Discord pointed out how misleading the progress tracker is for this update, and devs agreed with him. Since devs did a 'lousy job' estimating the tasks needed (in devs' own words) and they keep changing and editing things as they go instead of taking some days to play the whole thing and make another estimation of the actual tasks needed, the tracker has become a mere indication of the work done instead of the amount of pending work -the infamous one task added and completed per day shows they keep working on it but no longer allows people to guesstimate how much work is still to be done. So devs considered that, if everything goes smoothly in the next couple of weeks, they'll be ready to set a proper deadline they'll be confident enough to meet, so they'll share it with the game's fans despite the pressure this could put on them. We'll see.
 

Finuee

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I'm not fighting, I'm just sharing official info when I feel other people are spreading wrong info like playtesting taking 2 months, and also stating every once in a while that not believing in devs' word doesn't mean they are lying. As you said, devs are the first to acknowledge this is an unacceptable situation. The 0.8 update will be the real test for them: if they manage to release it within a reasonably quick timeframe and everything comes back to what it was before 0.7, there would be no harm done; if they claim they keep facing unexpected real-life issues and delaying the update, I'll be the first one leaving this thread to rotten.
I agree that update 0.8 will need to go back to a similar release schedule as before, for them to earn back some trust. The wait time for that one will be crucial.

This is how I see it too, I can't say for sure if what they are saying the truth but can't say the opposite either.

The frustration people have is what you can expect from "consumers", the "process" doesn't matter to them only the "product" and for more than 2 years all they got was the "process". But it's still true that 6 updates released without issues and in the first 1 things went wrong they immediately turned their back to the "product" they enjoyed so far because that was "easier" to them. Some even try to label it a "scam" (and it may very well be one) with the expectation that this would make the devs work faster (that has in fact what also happened at some point some when members requested the abandoned tag for this exact motive and look how much that helped).

Now I will not play this game again until it's finished/abandoned officially but I still want to see how the next update is going to turn out. I want to know if the benefit of doubt I gave them is deserved or not. And I know very well that if they really want to recover the trust from their fans and supporters they must do it different this time no mattering if the motives they gave were real or not, 0.8 may be the final test to save their reputation.
Mostly agree with you, except that I will indeed play the release as soon as it's out. ;)

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I wonder how long it'll take to go to other parts of the map, the far right island the bottom right desert village look really cool
Oh yeah, I agree! The desert village looks really intriguing!
 

mayylok

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I think the next update must be really bad if the creators are so excited about the release. They are rightly postponing the final burial of this game and scraping together some more money.. I feel like I'm thinking this way today, I hope I'm wrong but for me the last two updates have already been downhill. sorry my eng
 
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