CREATE YOUR AI CUM SLUT ON CANDY.AI TRY FOR FREE
x

Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.03] [MagicNuts]

4.70 star(s) 462 Votes
Discussion Reviews (462)
D

dkatryl

Active Member
May 26, 2018
646
1,229
Several months ago, i was having an internal wager if Summertime Saga was going to get its abandoned tag before this updated.

Well, it did, and then they released a half-assed update to remove the tag, but that's another topic

Now, as this creeps closer to being done, when that day does come, I guess my next internal wager is how big of a dumpster fire this thread will become over "OMG, 2 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT?!"

Regardless of big of an update it might be.
 
  • Haha
  • Like
Reactions: zmbr, Belphegor007, Deleted member 6309797 and 2 others
DemiMaximoff

DemiMaximoff

Member
Jun 10, 2018
163
650
HarryFlash said:
This is the most frustrating thing with their progress tracker. 14 tasks outstanding for the debug step. They've completed 3 tasks and theirs now 14 tasks outstanding.
For all their other updates the polish phase usually took 2 to 4 weeks with a week or 2 of play testing after that.
Click to expand...
According to the yellow logo dude, they put whatever they have been doing since they announced the polishing phase as "polish". They may be fixing a few typos, or redrawing entire images, or redoing an entire scene. It's all polish
 
  • Like
  • Thinking Face
Reactions: ogapetape and _Gaalec_
shazba jnr

shazba jnr

Member
Feb 3, 2024
399
2,867
DemiMaximoff said:
According to the yellow logo dude, they put whatever they have been doing since they announced the polishing phase as "polish". They may be fixing a few typos, or redrawing entire images, or redoing an entire scene. It's all polish
Click to expand...

What they say they've been doing for the last 5 months:


ezgif-5-42e054b64b.gif


What they've actually been doing for the last 5 months:


ezgif-5-fdf321628b.gif


Nah, I'm kidding, we all know they've been working hard for over 2 years to bring the best damn episode this game has ever seen! :whistle:
 
  • Haha
  • Like
Reactions: temp614699b1, Didyoupraytoday?, GERMAZM and 5 others
M

Mme De Bourgeois

Newbie
Jul 16, 2018
34
124
dkatryl said:
Now, as this creeps closer to being done, when that day does come, I guess my next internal wager is how big of a dumpster fire this thread will become over "OMG, 2 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT?!"
Click to expand...
Many people just skip everything for the NSFW stuff anyway or expect someone to provide them with a full save game and just look at the gallery.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ggray100 and difugirt
Finuee

Finuee

Gorehound Gal
Game Developer
Sep 14, 2022
414
1,482
The_Ismand said:
Seeing as i am usually just lurking around in here, this seems like a good time to actually throw in my 2 cents and make my own post.

It seems that most posts are rather one-sided in their perspective, so i will try to see things from both sides.
As far as i remember i first backed the Magic Nuts patreon around winter 2021/2022. Not too sure, but the first version i played was 0.5 (1st Main story update), released Sep. 2021. I initially backed at the Friend tier, which i upgraded to Close Friend after completing my first run. I subscribed till July when 0.6 (Rose update) was released and where i upgraded to Best Friend tier, in order to maximize voting power. I remained at Best Friend tier for a few months, then dropped back down to Close Friend, having no need of the voting power, but still wanting to back a great and rather unique AVN.

At this point in time we are at late 2022. This is when things really slowed down and after, hmmm, maybe 8 months or something like that, i stopped backing due to the lack of progress. Still kept tabs on the developement because i liked what i had played so far, but it became increasingly demotivating as time went on.

Here are the release dates and dev-time, just to make things convenient for whoever reads this behemoth of a post.
0.2 : June 28. 2020
0.3 : September 20. 2020 (apx. 3 months)
0.4 : February 13. 2021 (apx. 4,5 months)
0.5 : September 24. 2021 (apx. 7 months)
0.6 : July 30. 2022 (apx. 10 months)
0.7 : Reasonable guess is mid November. (2 years and 3-4 months)

OK, with that out of the way, the positives.
- WAL! was never ever going to be in the camp of AVN's with a good pace of developement. The high quality hand drawn 2D art with plenty of clothing and posing variations was always going to be in the way of fast developement. Even at full and nearly full effeciency WAL! was never gonna be able to keep up with the average DAZ/KK/HS developer.
- That said, before they started work on version 0.7, the update rate was reasonable. Sure, 0.6 with its 10 month developement is where things usually starts getting sketchy with AVN's. But i can tell you the content was great and there was a good amount of new locations that all needed new art assets.
- The excuses the Nuts have given are valid, to an extend. First and foremost, a second child. The first 6-12 months of any childs life is especially taxing for all parents. To keep things simple, lets just make the assumption that the Nuts productivity was reduced by 50% for 8 months. This is essentially their way of taking maternity/paternity leave as self-employed people.
On top of that, one of them had some kind of issue with a bone fracture that hadn't healed properly and needed some fairly extensive surgery. And after that, some time to recover, likely a few months. And since this surgery business happened around the same time as the childs first months, i wouldn't be surprised if they had at least 1 month with basically no work done.
Lets say these 2 factors averages out at 50% productivity for a full year. Even then, it will take some time to get back to 100%, a toddler is only slightly less of a burden than an infant.
- 0.7 might in fact turn out to have more and/or better quality content than 0.6. But honestly i doubt it.

The negatives.
Ok, so based on the above, you might get the impression that i consider the devtime of 2,3 years fully justified. I don't.
The number of tasks keeps increasing in tiny amounts with almost every progress update and this has been the case for at least half a year. This period of time could fittingly be called Polish-hell. Some of you are probably familiar with the Miyamoto quote: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad". Most of us can easily name at least 1 AAA game that could have been far better with just a few more months spent in developement. The rushing of AAA titles became common in the '10s and for this reason it is a lesson that many in the game industry could benefit from. Few studious have.
As for the AVN sphere, i have slowly gotten the impression that this quote is being taken too far, to the point that its getting destructive and not constructive. I think there is a large number of AVN's who finds themselves stuck in a bubble of yes-men, insulating them from trolls but also valid critics. Some of these AVN developers are straight up bad at planning things from the beginning. Some get lazy and complecent at a lack of scrutiny. Then there's the greedy ones, the real milkers who realize they can legally scam people out of their money and embraces the art of delaying and stretching developement for profit.

I think the Nuts belong in a forth more benevolent group. Broadly speaking i consider them "unrestrained perfectionists". If you read through a number of their Patreon posts you quickly realize that they care a lot about fixing even minor percieved flaws in already completed content. And this is likely why we have had this polish-hell since March. They keep finding things that juuuuuust has to be fixed, even if the fixes barely increases the overall quality. This is likely what will make or break WAL! in the long run. They have to rein in their perfectionism before it eats them up from inside.

Going forward.
Well, i will resubsribe in order to get voting for when the focus of 0.9 is to be decided.
I will play 0.7. Actually, i will play the entire thing from beginning to end, when i get around to it.
I will judge if the devtime minus the valid excuses is fair, in relation to released content.
I will unsub most of the time until 0.8 is released. If devtime goes back down to 7-10 months, they will regain my trust and i will sub most of the time.
Click to expand...
You have mostly summed up my feelings about this game, and the problem with 0.7
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
4.70 star(s) 462 Votes