HarryFlash

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I don't really think it matters if the update is split or not. I've said this many times but people who are complaining about the game development speed area always going to complain no matter what and most of them go to other threads and complain about the exact same thing. People want large updates that usually take months to make in the span of a single month or two and just have general unrealistic expectations. The majority of the people following and supporting the game don't actually care and I'm used to games on this site taking a while to update. As long as devs regularly post status update and evidence that they are still working on the game I think most people are fine. It's just a vocal minority whining about the development speed and most of them aren't patrons anyway, so it's not like they actually have anything to lose regardless of how long the update takes.
For this update it won't matter as they already committed to a completed route. But for future updates they should consider breaking up the story if the planned content is going to exceed a year to create.
Another thing that annoys me, is every time I recommend a split in a story somebody mentions "but we want large updates". Look this update has a 40% increase in art tasks. Had they been looking to release a part 1 in gomiras route right now (progress tracker is currently around 50%). It would be a large update.
I know another argument people will put to me is that "this is what the patreons voted for". But I suspect the reason they announced they would be working 7 days a week from now on. Is because they are probably getting a little heat from some of their patreons right now regarding the update progress.
 

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I'm suspecting the increment in art tasks won't mean a larger update, just a more complex one in terms of art design -something that I'm afraid many of those 'project management experts' around here won't be able to comprehend. Devs have mentioned they were aiming for a more cinematic vibe and action packed scenes, and that's just harder to, which means more tasks. But I don't believe that the whole update will be effectively larger than the previous ones, as there are only 2 quests planned instead of 3. I'm sure that this will bring new complains when the update comes out, so why face that backlash twice by releasing those 2 quests separately. While it would provide some relief for the most impatient fans, it would most likely feel really short for the time spent -again, at least for those who only measure their satisfaction in terms of playtime and can't see the work needed to create this kind of art.

The 7 days work schedule is something they usually do when they feel they are falling behind their own plan. Don't forget that, even though they won't share any deadlines, they actually have them at internal level as you can infere from their weekly reports. This development cycle has been pretty eventful and time has past way faster than in the previous ones, so I guess they just realized they should start pushing themselves a bit sooner than usual. But I don't think their patrons are pressuring them at all. From time to time in their Discord there's always some non-paying fans asking why is taking so much time, but that's no real pressure. Devs are smart enough to take actions before patrons get really annoyed, and rest assured that they are the most interested in getting the update done asap.
 

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Not to mention there was that gender swap in Rose's arc. The size change in the fairy arc, Rose, and so on...
 
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ProfN42

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Hey Folks,
Don't use this thread for pointless off-topic talks. I have to ban you if you continue this behavior.​
Please and thank you! I'm sick of our relevant discussions - like posting rankers of our WAL waifus, or fun speculation about upcoming plot events - being constantly derailed by an endless stream of new-account whiners who logged in just to cry that high quality free porn is taking too long. :rolleyes:
 

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Well, a forum is there to discuss things. So if members chime in and say "Hey, I think they could need some help, progress seems to happen slow given the amount of money they get pledged", then that's a legit topic to discuss.

And what I often see here, is that others users who feel like their personal very own project just got attacked jump in, defending the developers in their absence, suggesting that everything they do is perfect - the best it could be - and that there's no room for improvement. According to these posts no dev ever is relaxing on the huge loads of money they make through Patreon each month, and they all strive to end that great time of their life asap by finishing their project.

So this discussion wasn't about if they're doing it "wrong", or if they're secretly evil, or scamming their audience. It was about whether they use the 90k they got in the past 10 months efficiently enough to speed up development, or if they take it to make themselves a good life and just work slow and enjoy the trust and patience from their audience.

If it works for them, it works. People are pledging by free will. I didn't judge that, I never made a statement whether that's ethically correct or not. The only thing I stated is that given they didn't release anything for 90k in the past 10 months, they could certainly benefit from some help to speed up things.

Maybe I or you or another user would also do things slow with this amount of money and enjoy all the free time. In the end, if people are willing to fund it that way, you're lucky.

But people who read this thread are still potential customers / pledgers, so their opinion is valid, even if this is a pirate website. And their concerns are also legit. For some it works this way, for others it's too slow, it's fine to express or discuss that.
That's the post i'm looking for. And if you say this on their discord, they simply fire your ass. As you said, and imho the amount of cash they make with months is crazy. At least they can hire someone and speed up things.. having child or patrons are vote for the longer updates bs is not an excuse. Sad that boot lickers from discord are also here too like mf tf you even defending them for? you get the shit free from here so what. Or they probably those who paid for it and pretend to be they don't waste their money and act proud of it lol. Otherwise i can't see any reason, they must be having a blank life.
 

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Well, a forum is there to discuss things. So if members chime in and say "Hey, I think they could need some help, progress seems to happen slow given the amount of money they get pledged", then that's a legit topic to discuss.

And what I often see here, is that others users who feel like their personal very own project just got attacked jump in, defending the developers in their absence, suggesting that everything they do is perfect - the best it could be - and that there's no room for improvement. According to these posts no dev ever is relaxing on the huge loads of money they make through Patreon each month, and they all strive to end that great time of their life asap by finishing their project.

So this discussion wasn't about if they're doing it "wrong", or if they're secretly evil, or scamming their audience. It was about whether they use the 90k they got in the past 10 months efficiently enough to speed up development, or if they take it to make themselves a good life and just work slow and enjoy the trust and patience from their audience.

If it works for them, it works. People are pledging by free will. I didn't judge that, I never made a statement whether that's ethically correct or not. The only thing I stated is that given they didn't release anything for 90k in the past 10 months, they could certainly benefit from some help to speed up things.

Maybe I or you or another user would also do things slow with this amount of money and enjoy all the free time. In the end, if people are willing to fund it that way, you're lucky.

But people who read this thread are still potential customers / pledgers, so their opinion is valid, even if this is a pirate website. And their concerns are also legit. For some it works this way, for others it's too slow, it's fine to express or discuss that.


If you've played the game then you are sure to have noticed that the artwork is awesome. Really good work.
If you've played the game then you are also sure to have noticed that it consists of the same 2 -3 scenes which are recycled.
Same scenes but with different characters over and over again.
Same uninspired story with no plot which makes no sense.

Why would they hire someone? There is no need to.
 

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Glad to see the thread wipe from last week and the mod warning got people to think ....... Oh wait
Downloaded WaL recently, and getting a bug, hoping I can find the solution here. I'm at the part where you steal the runestone and Lana goes back to the Cursed Mansion with you. Just as things get going, it crashes. How do I fix this? Thanks in advance.
What crashes how ? The game does nothing ? It crashes to Windows with no log ? You get a traceback screen ? It tries to format itself ? Try the 0.6.02 bugfix, if not, give less details and hope some1 can provide more help
 
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Glad to see the thread wipe from last week and the mod warning got people to think ....... Oh wait

What crashes how ? The game does nothing ? It crashes to Windows with no log ? You get a traceback screen ? It tries to format itself ? Try the 0.6.02 bugfix, if not, give less details and hope some1 can provide more help
Sorry, you're right, should've put more detail into it. Now, it's not doing it, so....yeah. Didn't do anything different either. Sorry for the bother.
 
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TheDevian

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Sorry, you're right, should've put more detail into it. Now, it's not doing it, so....yeah. Didn't do anything different either. Sorry for the bother.
Glad to hear it, Ren'Py can be that way sometimes.
 

TheDevian

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這遊戲還會更新嗎?
Will this game be updated?
Yes, it is being worked on. They post updates weekly.
Also, this is an English only site, please use a translator.


是的,它正在處理中。他們每周發佈更新。 另外,這是一個僅限英文的網站,請使用翻譯。
 

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Hi, everybody.
I hope you're all doing well. Here's a summary of our work since the last report:
Chestnut:
She finished the looping artwork and then spent two days working on various images for cutscenes that she had already started -- I posted a video from one of them earlier today -- before beginning work on a new background.
Pistachio:
I worked on the big event from the end of Gomira's last quest. It involves several characters and has a lot of dialogue and action sequences, so to change things a little, I also wrote some convos and posed them. Another thing that I worked on, which is not unusual for the posing job, was editing the text and tweaking the events to ensure they worked well.
Next week's plan:
Chestnut wants to finish the background she has started and begin a new one. I have given her a small list of new sprite additions I need, so if she has the time, she'll also work on those.
I plan to focus entirely on the big event I have at hand and pose as many of its scenes as possible.

That's all.
Have a great weekend!
Cheers

P.S. A question for everyone: which of the towns shown on the World map would you like to see next? We added Cin Town in 0.6 as part of Rose's quest and would love to know what towns you look most forward to visiting (I plan to make a poll out of it later).
 
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