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What are the taboos for making games in prateon now?

kuvayimilfiye

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Even if they do have rules people dislike. Those rules are pretty simple and not hard to get around. If you put some effort into making a good patch and don't do anything dumb you'll be fine.
It's pretty hard to get around things like rape, beastiality, loli, incest. The easiest thing to get around can be incest, but in the cost of turning the game into a "landlady" game, you can't really solve incest with only changing characters' titles. Saying that "put some effort into making a good patch" can be equal to writing 2 different stories, and the non-patch one looks nonsense to read.

If the devs doing something against patreon, then just dont use it, you can be fairly successful in that way either,
 

asen-de

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No, that's considered rape as it's non-consensual. Patreon's rules are extremely easy to follow, and people only complain about getting their game banned because they try to circumvent them. The people who's games aren't banned are getting lucky.

No Incest (Don't try and get around it with "landlady" stuff.)
No rape (ALL forms of non-consensual sex.)
No bestiality (That's all animals, even make believe ones.)
No Loli/Shota
Nothing illegal
I don't agree with this.

When there is something that is blurry and no one knows what the heck they want, then it's Patreon and their rules.

Rape = No-No? Then what about the "survivor stories" which are allowed according to Patreon TOS. What is rape anyway? Let's define rape...that alone is not as easy as you might think. Getting creampied without consent can be considered rape or someone crawling into your bed and penetrates you without asking...but here we are "Summertime Saga" is doing fine.

Only Loli is not allowed? If the protagonist "might" seem like a teenager it could also become a problem: Teenagers are not lolis and having small tits might be enough already

What is bestiality? What are fictional monsters or humanoid monsters?

Nothing illigal? Illegal where? Prostitution is illegal in the country where Patreon sits..

People who consider Patreon rules "clear" and easy to follow probably just make games about Vanilla-Handholding and never had to think about Patreon rules in the first place ;>
 

Hagatagar

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When there is something that is blurry and no one knows what the heck they want, then it's Patreon and their rules.

Rape = No-No? Then what about the "survivor stories" which are allowed according to Patreon TOS.
There is also the factor of the intention of scenes. Is it about glorification/trivialization/sexualization of the act or the realistic/horrible presentation with all it's consequences?
This also applies to other subjects that can quickly lead to a ban.

...but here we are "Summertime Saga" is doing fine.
I wonder why...
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... why Patreon doesn't ban this cash cow? :unsure:
 

Stan5851

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I wonder why...
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... why Patreon doesn't ban this cash cow? :unsure:
You answered your own question. Because it's a cash cow. Patreon is not stupid either and they definitely don't want to lose profits. But they can publicly punish the developer of a less successful(financially) game, which has happened many times before.. The duplicity of patreon managers is well known.
 

Count Morado

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Getting creampied without consent can be considered rape or someone crawling into your bed and penetrates you without asking...but here we are "Summertime Saga" is doing fine.
If you are talking about when the MC does this to Jenny - that scene was redone almost 5 years ago and is in compliance with Patreon rules. (v0.18 or so)
then it's Patreon and their rules.
Agree.
 

peterppp

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You answered your own question. Because it's a cash cow. Patreon is not stupid either and they definitely don't want to lose profits. But they can publicly punish the developer of a less successful(financially) game, which has happened many times before.. The duplicity of patreon managers is well known.
or is it because summertime saga had to change a lot of stuff? like removing incest. and a "rape" scene that was removed 5 years ago (i'm trusting the count on this). milfy city also had to change things to please patreon, to mention another big game

big devs might get some leeway to be in talks with patreon to change stuff instead of just removing the page right off the bat. it's possible some special treatment occurs... patreon wants to earn money. but being big does not mean free to do what they want.

monster girl island got banned because contrary to summertime saga, the dev refused to remove incest. i estimate they made something like $80k/month at that time. patreon still kicked their ass.


recently, corrupted kingdoms was hit for underage. "only" about $9k/month but still not peanuts.
 

Stan5851

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recently, corrupted kingdoms was hit for underage. "only" about $9k/month but still not peanuts.
Honestly, it was a shock to me. :eek: And yes, I only found out about it from you, mate. Blocking a game just because it draws non-sexualized characters with no sexual interaction? The idiocy and stupidity of Patreon is off the charts. And developer CK is a brave man, if only because he didn't go along with Patreon and refused to remove Alice or all the MC..... kids from the game.



CK has always been a completely harmless game..I've been following it for quite some time, but I don't play every update. Well, as we can see, even this game fell victim to the patreon bloodsuckers, which means that no developer can feel safe on patreon, unless of course they are making a blatantly vanilla and sterile game.
 
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peterppp

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Honestly, it was a shock to me. :eek: And yes, I only found out about it from you, mate. Blocking a game just because it draws non-sexualized characters with no sexual interaction? The idiocy and stupidity of Patreon is off the charts. And developer CK is a brave man, if only because he didn't go along with Patreon and refused to remove Alice or all the MC..... kids from the game.



CK has always been a completely harmless game..I've been following it for quite some time, but I don't play every update. Well, as we can see, even this game fell victim to the patreon bloodsuckers, which means that no developer can feel safe on patreon, unless of course they are making a blatantly vanilla and sterile game.
that's a clueless take from the ck dev. it was not about just having kids. read the game thread. even people who play the game say it breaks patreons rules in several ways, underage looking characters in sexual situations being one of them
 
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asen-de

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that's a clueless take from the ck dev. it was not about just having kids. read the game thread. even people who play the game say it breaks patreons rules in several ways, underage looking characters in sexual situations being one of them
The question is how Patreon reasoned the ban and not what the opinion of some players in a game thread is.

Anyway, based dev for not complying to patreon. Bigger Devs moving to a platform which values freedom of art more like Subscribestar is overall a good thing. We need more competition between the crowdfunding platforms.
 
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peterppp

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The question is how Patreon reasoned the ban and not what the opinion of some players in a game thread is.

Anyway, based dev for not complying to patreon. Bigger Devs moving to a platform which values freedom of art more like Subscribestar is overall a good thing. We need more competition between the crowdfunding platforms.
i've seen the mail from patreon, i think it was posted on discord. ck dev is making his own (wrong) interpretation.
i'm just saying the game was known to break several rules. crying about it and blaming patreon now is silly
 

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or is it because summertime saga had to change a lot of stuff? like removing incest. and a "rape" scene that was removed 5 years ago (i'm trusting the count on this). milfy city also had to change things to please patreon, to mention another big game
It's the thing, when Patreon started its ban, they didn't banned everyone, but offered them the possibility to discuss what is possible and what isn't, and therefore how to change the game for it to comply with the new rules.
They were sometimes strict, like with Mr.Dots that had to submit the script of his new game for prior approbation, but in the same time indulgent since they let him continue Dating my Daughter openly as a incest story, as long as there's no direct links with Patreon.
There's two long threads about this somewhere in the depth of the forum, with some of those devs unofficially sharing most step of the discussion.


big devs might get some leeway to be in talks with patreon to change stuff instead of just removing the page right off the bat.
Not just big devs. No one have ever had his page removed right of the bat. And I mean absolutely no one.
There isn't a single example of a dev loosing his account because he had banned content, excepted those who categorically refused to remove the said content. In the opposite, there's example of creators who've been hit more than once by the ban hammer, and just had to apology and remove the litigious content to have their account stop being under review.
What's funny is that those who complained surely thought that it would draw attention to them, and therefore give them more support ; they are rebels, internet love rebels. But in the end one month later everyone already forgot their names. But the bullshit they served, that some still remember it, alas.


it's possible some special treatment occurs... patreon wants to earn money. but being big does not mean free to do what they want.
There's only one treatment: What they aren't warned about do not exist.

Jack Conte (Patreon funder and CEO) said it more than once, what he want is to offer a way to have support for the higher possible number of creators.
Patreon have been forced to change the rules because they discarded complaints about some litigious content. Now they react to all complaint regarding banned content, period.
But strictly speaking, as long as no one complain, there's no risk that their partners goes after them, so...
 

asen-de

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"Under review" is still a factual account closure. You can't withdraw any money and your supporters also won't be charged during that period or see your content. And if the creator complies then the account opens again, if not it is a permaban.

So to say "No one have ever had his page removed right of the bat" is wrong. You mean more like EVERYONE got their page removed right of the bat and got it only back if he complied with the unclear rules which are so soggy that you just have to be lucky being under mercy of a generous reviewer
 

bolso_lula

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Imagine thinking like this... anyone who uses patreon to receive payments know how shitty they are on doing that in the past few months with so many payments being declined. not only porn games devs but from everyone, it was clear that they would have to take some action to reduce the cases of payments being marked as payments to a porn site.

No one have ever had his page removed right of the bat
"hey, we will remove your page if you don't remove this in 1 week, btw our response time is 2 weeks"
No comments about this... this guys is clearly patreon staff, at least he showed some good reasons to move to ss.

His boss, I mean Jack, can even be really thinking like this but in the end patreon will discard you as soon as they can.
heh, I bet the next rule they will add is characters can't live on the same house.
 

Insomnimaniac Games

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CK has always been a completely harmless game.
Well, this is just an outright lie. The MC literally mind controls people and turns them into what is essentially sex slaves. I'm not a big fan of patreons rules either, but let's muddy the situation with BS like this.