What happened to the MMD thread this time?

[SaraVL57]

You have no experience or education in the law and are making shit up.

I did not completely avoid that. I linked the article. If I was avoiding I would have found another article.

You asked for me to find the feds "taking action on loli and or shotacon on someone who wasnt already a sex offender id love to see a single real arrest." And I did JUST that. The search warrant signed by the judge and executed by federal officials used a carton for valuation of that warrant. Subsequently, the guy was arrested and charged with 5 counts.

Text is not "real children"
Illustrated does not imply "real children" or "realistic"

I already said why you will find images on Twitter/X and other sites because of Safe Harbor. As long as they take action when found and/or reported they limit their liability. The accounts you find either have not been seen by Twitter staff nor been reported. Do a search for "Does Twitter allow lolicon?"

Again, no one should trust you about the legality on policy on anything.

At this time you have shown nothing substantive to back up your opinion. I'm done with you.

here's an actual up to date page on your ridiculous first google search result of lolicon legality claims which was overuled and deemed unconstitutionally vague on the part that had to do with animated and cartoon based content that it was too broad and violated first amendment rights, here is your substantive evidence you want so bad since you think you know everything

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"the term “

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” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually

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, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual

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engaged in

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. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting

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or adults."

 

[zeerin]

Wrong
Again, I linked the law that is active on the books.
I linked the US DOJ page which discusses the law.
You simply saying what you think is reality doesn't make it so.

You can keep being delusional, it's never going to make you right.

 

[SaraVL57]

Idk why you act like own the house, even tho you were not a house owner...

I think its no use ,if you still comparing other platform to f95zone...its different

I have no problem f95 banning loli and shota, I may think its stupid but it their rules. the problem stems from them being inconsistent on enforcing it in the site, anyway thats not what me and the other dude are talking about were talking about actual US law on cartoon porn.

 

[bradje]

Why is no one providing an alternative?
ULMF? Anime-Sharing? Someone please just give some alternatives so we can all move on with our lives.

There is a matrix server thing made by some users, and there is the arca mmd forum.
Both were made on the same day I believe, and people upload content on both places so choose to your preference.
You'll both have to make an account and log in to see content in either matrix or arca.

The arca link -

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The matrix link -

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There is an anime-sharing thread made few hours ago, but I doubt this will get many attention cause this was made pretty late. Also I'm not a fan of the thread system so I'll probably stick with the first 2.

 

[Count Morado]

here's an actual up to date page on your ridiculous first google search result of lolicon legality claims which was overuled and deemed unconstitutionally vague on the part that had to do with animated and cartoon based content that it was too broad and violated first amendment rights, here is your substantive evidence you want so bad since you think you know everything

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(11)
"the term “

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” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually

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, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual

You must be registered to see the links

engaged in

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. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting

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or adults."

you are correct that law is on the books. However, again you are wrong about what law was decided as overboard by the Supreme Court and what was struck down and what actions were taken by Congress after.

It was Ashcroft Supreme Court case in 2002 that determined the law at that time that was on the books was overboard.
In 2003, Congress passed the PROTECT Act of 2003 in direct response to and after that 2002 decision. It was written, passed, and signed by W Bush with the intent of making the virtual images of sexual exploitation of minors illegal in the US. That law, which I have linked over and over - as well as the US DOJs statement in it -still stands today

Again, no one should trust you about the legality on policy on anything. You have no legal or law enforcement education or experience.

 

[SaraVL57]

you are correct that law is on the books. However, again you are wrong about what law was decided as overboard by the Supreme Court and what was struck down and what actions were taken by Congress after.

It was Ashcroft Supreme Court case in 2002 that determined the law at that time that was on the books was overboard.
In 2003, Congress passed the PROTECT Act of 2003 in direct response to and after that 2002 decision. It was written, passed, and signed by W Bush with the intent of making the virtual images of sexual exploitation of minors illegal in the US. That law, which I have linked over and over - as well as the US DOJs statement in it -still stands today

Again, no one should trust you about the legality on policy on anything. You have no legal or law enforcement education or experience.

Alright lets stop this pointless argument here, I'm a stubborn person but I'm willing to change my views if shown with fact, I did alot of research and yea there is some things I was uneducated in but all this really comes down to is yes, loli and shota CAN be illegal but that's assuming it falls under obscenity laws which is very a subjective and grey area.

Thing is they don't like dealing with cases like these cause of all the arguments that are made for freedom of speech and art ect and of course wether the character is actually a minor cause as we know there are real people who are adults but may look like children.

I've concluded that there's just too many factors to determine an objective legality of it generally though it is safe to consume and the chances of something happening to someone who does is basically 0 assuming they aren't a sex offender and what not, it also depends on the amount owned severity of whats happening ect just a very grey area overall in law.

 

[HDGhost]

There's two main problems here no one is addressing or realizing.

1. Having the thread as a mix is what encouraged artists to get noticed for their works. People would upload their own works in one central viewing area, so everyone easily see it. If you separate threads by artists, NO ONE is going to look at every single thread to discover new artists, it's simply time consuming and way too annoying to have to navigate within subsections. This is the biggest loss for not having the giant megathread. My suggestion is to let us have a thread for newest works only from artists that are already shared. At least with this, it won't break any rules since the content was already approved as a thread.

2. Why is no one providing an alternative? Stop trying to convince the mods or backlash at them, you are wasting your time. Instead, provide an alternate website so we can go there.

ULMF? Anime-Sharing? Someone please just give some alternatives so we can all move on with our lives.

I did in #169 ... but nobody really react too that until now. But i´am full on your side with your 2 points.

 

[anne O'nymous]

it really shouldnt be that hard to understand that the media you can easily search up on hundreds of thousands of sites on the web is legal, [...]

You can find pornography "on hundreds of thousands of sites on the web", yet, pornography is illegal in around a third of the world.

[...] at the end of the day if loli/shota was deemed cp or taken anywhere near as seriously you wouldnt be able to find it by browsing your average hentai site all of which being allowed in the US [...]

As everyone know, piracy is 100% legal, reason why F95zone, but also hundreds of movie and song piracy sites, are "allowed in the US"...
As if "allowed in the US" meant something in that context.

even if you did argue it was illegal feds [...]

"Feds" have no power over the 7,8 Billions peoples who do not depend on the US jurisdiction. Nor do they have power over

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[...] you dont see admitted cons getting arrested for their loli collection its what they do with irl.

There's a dev, know under the name of Westy, who strongly disagree with your claim.


Please, don't come back on the topic until you understand how Law works, what is the network named "internet", and what "world wide" mean.

 

[V i e s s a]

To be honest, I don't see why people are complaining here to begin with. For three reasons, the MMD sharing thread was closed. The sharing of CP or R7 contents continued. Reason 2: As compared to strictly reporting the individuals who shared it. The typical user of the mmd thread continued to post new content despite the rules being broken. Reason 3: Since reason 2 makes it impossible to maintain the thread moderated, it is unrealistic to expect the staff or moderators to read through so many pages in order to find the "forbidden" content—especially since this is a recurring problem. It comes down to the overall benefit of the site users, which means nuking the MMD thread so Mods/Staff can concentrate on other more important areas that are more frequently used by the users of this site. Additionally, there aren't enough mods to dedicate one to a single thread that isn't even used by 98% of the community. No there isn't a conspiracy about Mod/Staff disliking the MMD content. There would be no more than 2% of content on the forum if we started removing anything we didn't like. After all taste is different. Last but not least, we don't currently forbid content sharing. Instead, we ask that you move to the animations area, start request threads about your artist, and share the content as soon as you can. You can then report any content that is shared, and we'll try our best to move it to the animation area. This will make the threads appear cleaner, make it easier to find content, and make it easier to spot rule violations. As for the F95 Volunteers, it will make it easier to keep track of the entire situation, and the MMD user will benefit from being able to locate his content more easily if he knows the artist.

 

[jennafjenna]

It's not ideal for MMD fans to be scattered, I think it's better for them to gather in one place like a forum.

 

[kiweh]

No there isn't a conspiracy about Mod/Staff disliking the MMD content.

There's 1 specific mod that certainly does not seem keen on proving that this is the case judging from his/her numerous actions/responses during this whole ordeal.

 

[V i e s s a]

There's 1 specific mod that certainly does not seem keen on proving that this is the case judging from his/her numerous actions/responses during this whole ordeal.

I assume you mean RedKnight especially with his response " Silly anime naked dancing." Which is just his opinion and probably most of the f95 community will agree with. Although most of us don't like MMD and don't see any appeal in it we still let people share it and don't nuke it because we dislike it. If this would be the case most content would already be nuked.

 

[Aleroth]

To be honest, I don't see why people are complaining here to begin with. For three reasons, the MMD sharing thread was closed. The sharing of CP or R7 contents continued. Reason 2: As compared to strictly reporting the individuals who shared it. The typical user of the mmd thread continued to post new content despite the rules being broken. Reason 3: Since reason 2 makes it impossible to maintain the thread moderated, it is unrealistic to expect the staff or moderators to read through so many pages in order to find the "forbidden" content—especially since this is a recurring problem. It comes down to the overall benefit of the site users, which means nuking the MMD thread so Mods/Staff can concentrate on other more important areas that are more frequently used by the users of this site. Additionally, there aren't enough mods to dedicate one to a single thread that isn't even used by 98% of the community. No there isn't a conspiracy about Mod/Staff disliking the MMD content. There would be no more than 2% of content on the forum if we started removing anything we didn't like. After all taste is different. Last but not least, we don't currently forbid content sharing. Instead, we ask that you move to the animations area, start request threads about your artist, and share the content as soon as you can. You can then report any content that is shared, and we'll try our best to move it to the animation area. This will make the threads appear cleaner, make it easier to find content, and make it easier to spot rule violations. As for the F95 Volunteers, it will make it easier to keep track of the entire situation, and the MMD user will benefit from being able to locate his content more easily if he knows the artist.

See this is the type of response the team should have made initially.

Clear and concise in its reasoning, with an actual solution to the issue at hand. And best of all, its without dismissive or inflammatory comments aimed towards the people that are supposed to read this. Kudos my friend, kudos.

 

[Aleroth]

I assume you mean RedKnight especially with his response " Silly anime naked dancing." Which is just his opinion and probably most of the f95 community will agree with. Although most of us don't like MMD and don't see any appeal in it we still let people share it and don't nuke it because we dislike it. If this would be the case most content would already be nuked.

Depends on which artist you look at. Granted a majority of them (or at least from the ones I have seen) do fall under that description; which while it could be true and a offhand joke is still kinda inflammatory given the context of the whole thread and general ongoing sentiment within it.

But then you have people like seruu or Bengugu that make longer, sequential animations set to a beat. Like a beat map (or in this case a… fap? map I guess) in something like osu!. The only difference, in my opinion, between someone like the and a more traditional NSFW animator is the program used to make them animation and the beat as a backdrop instead of other sounds.

 

[Bale99]

Yup...porn always porn

I Need onlyfans with MMD dancing in it...

Or make an AV with story "get cuck by Giant insec"...
(Its just joke example guys)

Different taste is not bad after all, but has a limit

 

[kiweh]

I assume you mean RedKnight especially with his response " Silly anime naked dancing." Which is just his opinion and probably most of the f95 community will agree with. Although most of us don't like MMD and don't see any appeal in it we still let people share it and don't nuke it because we dislike it. If this would be the case most content would already be nuked.

nah i actually don't give 2 shits about personal opinions, i am sure he enjoys something that a majority of people will also find silly.

In the very first day of the threads being deleted the only mod response that was given was a childish "No." to anything related to the MMD part. It wasn't until 2 days later before a mod actually made some clarifications about the reasoning, but it wasn't even the mod making the original reply.

 

[FloppaCougar]

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Lmao I'm moving in here, the admin in that site is already better

How do you request any videos in this site? Do you speak korean? Can u tell me how to request the video?

 

[bradje]

How do you request any videos in this site? Do you speak korean? Can u tell me how to request the video?

You log in and post it in the request category. Don't have to use korean, if you make yourself a ID and log in you'll see the rest of the post that was hidden to non-logged users

 

[SaraVL57]

You can find pornography "on hundreds of thousands of sites on the web", yet, pornography is illegal in around a third of the world.






As everyone know, piracy is 100% legal, reason why F95zone, but also hundreds of movie and song piracy sites, are "allowed in the US"...
As if "allowed in the US" meant something in that context.






"Feds" have no power over the 7,8 Billions peoples who do not depend on the US jurisdiction. Nor do they have power over

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There's a dev, know under the name of Westy, who strongly disagree with your claim.


Please, don't come back on the topic until you understand how Law works, what is the network named "internet", and what "world wide" mean.

There's no way you unironically posted a link to an Australian arrest after reading all of that? Are you fucking retarded? Nothing we talked about mentioned anything outside of the US hop off my cock you ant lmao the argument was over and I ended with the most agreeable stance

 

[451378620]

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