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You and Jaike have really got this thing going huh?Bro I'm not sure if it's a woman. It posts like a 30 something year old man
when did ntr became so popular?
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eaudecologne
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You better turn into one. Jaike has a bigger dick than all of us.I'm getting scared now I'm not a futa enjoyer bro
eaudecologne
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Conversion into a futa enjoyer? I thought such backwards practices were outlawed
It's always in the back of your mind. "What if I don't want to look at naked dudes anymore?", he asks himself, as futa rounds the corner looking expectedly, growing ever closer.Conversion into a futa enjoyer? I thought such backwards practices were outlawed
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Other poster had a point, your method of narrowing it down is also terrible, as its clearly referring to western games as Japanese are not restricted by the same standards. For example removing Japanese games lowers rape down to 247.
You also then added tags that weren't the fetishes mentioned and whether they get removed or not depends on how they are handled. Eternum one of the most popular games around has both the sexual harrassment and blackmail tag and its not one you would ever recommend for taboo content.
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Please pay attention to context. The original reply included ALL affected by " western financial censorship " (see below for their original rely) that includes many Japanese games as some Japanese sites were also targeted by " western financial censorship ". You are welcome to search this site for threads complaining / discussing this or if you are so inclined you are welcome to search news sources.
Some Japanese sites were targeted and so get included.
The original poster was also the one to switch from " story theme that isn't targeted by western financial censorship " to only those in the west "targeted by western financial censorship" AFTER my initial reply....
YOU are in a thread discussing "when did ntr become so popular" - The original poster was referencing netorare and you come along and mention a game that has absolutely nothing to do with anything... not the thread, not the original posters replies and not my replies...
You see the red arrow? Do you see a netorare tag?
If you want to post nonsense, might I suggest off-topic? I'm sure you will be able to find a thread to your liking there....
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Influenced or not we are still basically talking about games made for 2 different audiences and ultimately made by different rules. They are not made be the same rules, its stupid to put them in the same category.
Not relevant? Maybe you should try and remember your own post. You added additional irrelevant tags, that the other poster didn't mention. I highlighted how those where in a popular game that is basically vanilla, do you understand now.
I don't think you're an idiot, I do think you where just looking for info to skew your argument. Also that overly sensitive "go to off topic", don't be pissy.
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*sigh*
Rape, (blackmail + mind control + drugs + sexual harassment = non con)
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- "Non-consensual content (real or implied)"
- "Underage or “barely legal” themes"
- "Inc*st or pseudo-inc*st content"
- "B*stiality or animal-related"
- "R*pe, coercion, or force-related"
- "Sex trafficking implications"
- "Revenge p*rn / voyeur / hidden cam"
- "Fetish involving bodily waste or extreme harm (e.g., “scat,” “vomit”)"
and for the record, if I exclude everything on that list, the number of netorare games on this site plummets to 493 from 1937.
Plus I couldn't fit scat, loli or shota...
https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha...tags=30,105,111,339,374,417,485,670,1254,2217
I think, like with the other guy, you jumped into this thread and didn't bother to read, didn't try to understand and then posted nonsense.
Original exchange
Hooch
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18779226
Me
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18779890
Hooch
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18788302
Me
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18791117
Then for some unknown reason YOU
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18794339
It's not being pissy, it's called being low on patience with people who can't be bothered to read, understand and follow context and then posting nonsense. I mean, you didn't even bother to hide the fact you didn't read the exchange between hooch and me...
Now hopefully the following will spare me from more replies...
The gist
Hooch : netorare is going to grow in popularity because it's not targeted
Me: No because
A) Netorare is not targeted but many many netorare games have IN THEM content that IS targeted!
Hooch: flip flop the west... flip flop steam... flip flop real porn...
Me : explains in detail why they are wrong.
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B) People don't just suddenly change their preferences because something is banned / removed and especially NOT in the case of netorare.
So to quote you...
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You do realise how hypocrate it seems you pull the "offtopic" when the last 2 pages are nothing but... actually IF you are being pedantic everything after page 2 was I gues.*sigh*
Rape, (blackmail + mind control + drugs + sexual harassment = non con)
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" This list is just the latest development in the saga. Itch has already pulled adult games off the site, as it states it has to reassess the contents of games to make sure they comply with the demands of payment processors. "
- "Non-consensual content (real or implied)"
- "Underage or “barely legal” themes"
- "Inc*st or pseudo-inc*st content"
- "B*stiality or animal-related"
- "R*pe, coercion, or force-related"
- "Sex trafficking implications"
- "Revenge p*rn / voyeur / hidden cam"
- "Fetish involving bodily waste or extreme harm (e.g., “scat,” “vomit”)"
and for the record, if I exclude everything on that list, the number of netorare games on this site plummets to 493 from 1937.
Plus I couldn't fit scat, loli or shota...
https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha...tags=30,105,111,339,374,417,485,670,1254,2217
I think, like with the other guy, you jumped into this thread and didn't bother to read, didn't try to understand and then posted nonsense.
Original exchange
Hooch
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18779226
Me
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18779890
Hooch
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18788302
Me
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18791117
Then for some unknown reason YOU
https://f95zone.to/threads/when-did-ntr-became-so-popular.278974/post-18794339
It's not being pissy, it's called being low on patience with people who can't be bothered to read, understand and follow context and then posting nonsense. I mean, you didn't even bother to hide the fact you didn't read the exchange between hooch and me...
Now hopefully the following will spare me from more replies...
The gist
Hooch : netorare is going to grow in popularity because it's not targeted
Me: No because
A) Netorare is not targeted but many many netorare games have IN THEM content that IS targeted!
Hooch: flip flop the west... flip flop steam... flip flop real porn...
Me : explains in detail why they are wrong.
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B) People don't just suddenly change their preferences because something is banned / removed and especially NOT in the case of netorare.
So to quote you...
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Don't expect that guy to act like a human being. Terminal case of redditor syndrome. Always goes on 5 pages of akshually here's how im right *adjusts glasses*
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i am trying to understand what your fundamental objection is, without commitment to a side, for i detect a degree of frustration here, is it your position that all attempts to reason against morphnet are simply fruitless, that his stance in the matter following "might i suggest off-topic" is wrong or that his cumulative argument is erroneous?
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More like this entire conversation is already offtopic as he argues how important NTR is rather than when it started as the title of the thread is, only reffering to offtopic when challenged in his opinion.
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Personally the only appeal I find in NTR is related to how stuff gains meaning, let me explain a bit, overall I have tried many games in this site and almost none had any appeal to me, but that's because I feel that nothing is important, nothing can go wrong.
The games I tend to enjoy are those that have risks or unexpected consequences, it doesn't have to be NTR, I played "Odyssey of Gianna", a whole game about people trying to transform or corrupt your characters, "descendants of the forest", which is kinda similar in how it works.
It all started with sengoku rance, a game in which bad stuff could happen, especially depending on the route you are on. Then discovered a previous game "kichikuou Rance" and that game had A LOT of bad stuff that could happen, I just felt that finally my actions were doing something, that I could finally feel that the MC is a hero, because I saw the consequences of failing to do so.
Overall when bad stuff can happen, it makes the MC feel important, you aren't getting a harem for free nor are the girls throwing themselves at the MC, but you are truly earning it and that's what I find the most important and ironically this feeling came from normal games, not porn, I was always like "If the villain can only lose... does the story have any meaning for my character?", I always liked for example how one of my first games "siege of avalon" when the hero (our MC) died I could get an epilogue of the story and I feel this had deeply influenced what I seek in games and how I ended up here.
The games I tend to enjoy are those that have risks or unexpected consequences, it doesn't have to be NTR, I played "Odyssey of Gianna", a whole game about people trying to transform or corrupt your characters, "descendants of the forest", which is kinda similar in how it works.
It all started with sengoku rance, a game in which bad stuff could happen, especially depending on the route you are on. Then discovered a previous game "kichikuou Rance" and that game had A LOT of bad stuff that could happen, I just felt that finally my actions were doing something, that I could finally feel that the MC is a hero, because I saw the consequences of failing to do so.
Overall when bad stuff can happen, it makes the MC feel important, you aren't getting a harem for free nor are the girls throwing themselves at the MC, but you are truly earning it and that's what I find the most important and ironically this feeling came from normal games, not porn, I was always like "If the villain can only lose... does the story have any meaning for my character?", I always liked for example how one of my first games "siege of avalon" when the hero (our MC) died I could get an epilogue of the story and I feel this had deeply influenced what I seek in games and how I ended up here.
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I think NTR for male protag and rape for female protag are nice punishment mechanics for bad performance as the player. "Get raped if you lose" is common for female protag games with actual gameplay, tho sadly often you get raped even if you don't lose. Get NTR'd if you lose - from the games I played I remember it was done more or less competently only in "Dungeon with girl".
Why NTR is so popular is a simple question to answer: money to be made. More specifically, the NTR market was initially very niche so a lot of content creators swarmed to make more of it = rapid expansion. In contrast, an ever staple genre like vanilla is always market saturated so new content is easily over looked unless the art (mainly) or another aspect is insanely good despite this genre getting a ton of new content daily.
Now to answer when it "became" so "popular" my estimation is roughly late 2000s/early 2010s when more people got hooked online. I would argue though that NTR was always a staple niche genre that was always "popular" relative to other niche fetishes.
But if you want to get into the real nitty gritty of who this expanding market is based on you'll have to guess as the data collection on this is going to be extremely tainted and untracked. IMO you can split it up into 4 rough categories from largest consumers to lowest:
1) Women
2) Closeted men
3) Gooners
4) Real life cucks
Again these groups are my opinions and not meant to disparage anyone. It is purely academic from my anecdotal reviews and conjunctures of me seeing NTR grow in popularity.
My reasoning for #1 is I've seen more and more NTR focused on how a woman feels (e.g. her internal dialogue and how she feels so bad and good at the same time) since the early 2010s upto now which mirriors heavily women romance novels & to a lesser extent hallmark movie love interests (e.g. big dick, muscular, and dark triad men/animals). Additionally, we know that more and more women have entered less "PC" online spaces since the mid-late 2000s & during that same time period upto today women have been earning more leaving them with more expendible income. If women were the largest consumer of NTR it would explain why such a niche market suddenly grew in extreme popularity relatively quickly.
#2 and #3 could be switched around but IMO this order makes more sense as gooners don't really care that what they are fapping to is specifically NTR but rather they will jackoff to anything that looks good or for another niche reason in the media. On the flip side, #2 cares about NTR not because of the women being fucked silly but rather the idea of a big, strong, dominate man doing the fucking. It's also why, IMO, so many NTR games in recent years have now introduced so much sissy porn into it.
#4 IMO obviously ranks dead last because this market was already extremely niche and capped out until recently. Of course there is an arugment to be had that actually it wasn't the increase of women that made NTR more popular but more cucks also coming into online spaces fueling the growth. My counter-argument to that is that men who were into more heavy sexual fetishes in the early 2000s were already online before the major internet boom or already in real life situations for their preferred fetishes. Also if this were the case we should be seeing more netorase content which I hardly even see coming out compared to other forms of NTR.
Now to answer when it "became" so "popular" my estimation is roughly late 2000s/early 2010s when more people got hooked online. I would argue though that NTR was always a staple niche genre that was always "popular" relative to other niche fetishes.
But if you want to get into the real nitty gritty of who this expanding market is based on you'll have to guess as the data collection on this is going to be extremely tainted and untracked. IMO you can split it up into 4 rough categories from largest consumers to lowest:
1) Women
2) Closeted men
3) Gooners
4) Real life cucks
Again these groups are my opinions and not meant to disparage anyone. It is purely academic from my anecdotal reviews and conjunctures of me seeing NTR grow in popularity.
My reasoning for #1 is I've seen more and more NTR focused on how a woman feels (e.g. her internal dialogue and how she feels so bad and good at the same time) since the early 2010s upto now which mirriors heavily women romance novels & to a lesser extent hallmark movie love interests (e.g. big dick, muscular, and dark triad men/animals). Additionally, we know that more and more women have entered less "PC" online spaces since the mid-late 2000s & during that same time period upto today women have been earning more leaving them with more expendible income. If women were the largest consumer of NTR it would explain why such a niche market suddenly grew in extreme popularity relatively quickly.
#2 and #3 could be switched around but IMO this order makes more sense as gooners don't really care that what they are fapping to is specifically NTR but rather they will jackoff to anything that looks good or for another niche reason in the media. On the flip side, #2 cares about NTR not because of the women being fucked silly but rather the idea of a big, strong, dominate man doing the fucking. It's also why, IMO, so many NTR games in recent years have now introduced so much sissy porn into it.
#4 IMO obviously ranks dead last because this market was already extremely niche and capped out until recently. Of course there is an arugment to be had that actually it wasn't the increase of women that made NTR more popular but more cucks also coming into online spaces fueling the growth. My counter-argument to that is that men who were into more heavy sexual fetishes in the early 2000s were already online before the major internet boom or already in real life situations for their preferred fetishes. Also if this were the case we should be seeing more netorase content which I hardly even see coming out compared to other forms of NTR.