VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[Dragon59]

Could be worse. Could have said an Eisenhower dollar.

Those are the measurements of an Eisenhower dollar. No Susan B. Anthony here.

 

[mommysboiii]

how much ntr are in the game ? and what type of ntr in there ?

as far as I understood ocean there will be ntr in the future but probably not the ntr you expect it will be SLOW BURN corruption ntr so not neighbour that magicly breaks your wife after 1 day.

It will be more realistic and will not be a only ntr game and will focus on relationship build up ,cuddling ,romances and story progression, other kinks ...

This theoretically means that you as a reader build a better connection with the love interest you choose and that the ntr will be more hurtful if it happens but it will take a longer time to build up and will take longer until your gf actually breaks because ocean trys to make a more realistic game.

so if you just wanna see someone punding your gfs brain out and want a fast dopamine rush it will probabily take a very long time but this game looks very promising

 

[Alexanderson037500aa]

I am curious about this new Daphne character; she looks like a rewritten version of Crazy Ex from the old version

 

[HunterSeeker]

With this new Leia, they need to add "pancake areolas" as a tag.

 

[Nurikabe]

Heavy spoilers ahead and opinions that don't make a difference...

As a long-time player and supporter, there are a few things on my mind about the direction this VN has taken.

It is great to see that his skills as a 3D artist have increased significantly. They were always pretty good, but they just get better each time. The sex scene animations are top-notch. However, the other animations...I often find myself asking, why is there an animation here? Is it for dramatic crescendo? They take a long time to create and work well when they are used sparingly to increase emotion or add an exclamation point to great sex scenes. It just seems to be sometimes random, unnecessary, and occasionally distracting and annoying (same in SG).

The changes to the characters... I think this has been beat up a lot here, on Discord, and on Patreon. There are some really great changes. Details that truly add to the beauty. But then there are some gigantic misses. The MC is way too swollen. Katie loses a lot of that girlish charm. And the lip piercings...absolutely hate them. Leia (the daughter) looks years older than Helen (the mother). Miru appears much less Japanese—still very cute and sexy, but just...something's missing. And all the breasts must have been grown using hormones! Shit, they're huge on every character!

Speaking of Miru, I love the story Ocean created for Miru! The loving nympho girlfriend who would take a bullet for her man. A sexy playfulness in their relationship and it carries through to the greater story. Every scene with her in it (and there are a lot) adds to a wonderful, rich portrayal of her character. But the buildup of Katie and Leia is severely lacking compared to earlier versions of the story. I do not feel the angst and heartache that Katie felt not being chosen. Or the longing Leia has had for her twin and true love. Instead, we get a weak embarrassing moment of Katie and the MC not recognizing each other but being attracted to each other when they first meet. And then some back-and-forth sibling rivalry. And Leia's no longer the sister who just wants to be with her brother (in every way); she's just angry and dismissive.

I guess there are a lot of positive changes and just as many negative losses in my view. Even though the relationship with Miru carries the entire VN and adds playful comedy, heartwarming romance, and steamy sex scenes. Yet overall, the story seems diluted and weak.

Anyway, just one guy's opinion.

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

Heavy spoilers ahead and opinions that don't make a difference...

As a long-time player and supporter, there are a few things on my mind about the direction this VN has taken.

It is great to see that his skills as a 3D artist have increased significantly. They were always pretty good, but they just get better each time. The sex scene animations are top-notch. However, the other animations...I often find myself asking, why is there an animation here? Is it for dramatic crescendo? They take a long time to create and work well when they are used sparingly to increase emotion or add an exclamation point to great sex scenes. It just seems to be sometimes random, unnecessary, and occasionally distracting and annoying (same in SG).

The changes to the characters... I think this has been beat up a lot here, on Discord, and on Patreon. There are some really great changes. Details that truly add to the beauty. But then there are some gigantic misses. The MC is way too swollen. Katie loses a lot of that girlish charm. And the lip piercings...absolutely hate them. Leia (the daughter) looks years older than Helen (the mother). Miru appears much less Japanese—still very cute and sexy, but just...something's missing. And all the breasts must have been grown using hormones! Shit, they're huge on every character!

Speaking of Miru, I love the story Ocean created for Miru! The loving nympho girlfriend who would take a bullet for her man. A sexy playfulness in their relationship and it carries through to the greater story. Every scene with her in it (and there are a lot) adds to a wonderful, rich portrayal of her character. But the buildup of Katie and Leia is severely lacking compared to earlier versions of the story. I do not feel the angst and heartache that Katie felt not being chosen. Or the longing Leia has had for her twin and true love. Instead, we get a weak embarrassing moment of Katie and the MC not recognizing each other but being attracted to each other when they first meet. And then some back-and-forth sibling rivalry. And Leia's no longer the sister who just wants to be with her brother (in every way); she's just angry and dismissive.

I guess there are a lot of positive changes and just as many negative losses in my view. Even though the relationship with Miru carries the entire VN and adds playful comedy, heartwarming romance, and steamy sex scenes. Yet overall, the story seems diluted and weak.

Anyway, just one guy's opinion.

It's always interesting to read fans of the old game's opinion on this kind of stuff. I briefly tried the original, but IMO it was such a downgrade that I couldn't keep pushing through it.

I initially felt a similarly to how you do about a few scenes in the recent SG CH2 rework, but after some time and a fresh play-through, I can now look past most of the problems I had with it. Maybe this version will grow on you after another chapter or two and Ocean's new vision becomes clearer.

 

[Uriel ☁]

What follows is just my opinion.

It is great to see that his skills as a 3D artist have increased significantly. They were always pretty good

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However, the other animations...I often find myself asking, why is there an animation here? Is it for dramatic crescendo? They take a long time to create and work well when they are used sparingly to increase emotion or add an exclamation point to great sex scenes. It just seems to be sometimes random, unnecessary, and occasionally distracting and annoying (same in SG).

What other animations? I looked at the game's folders and other than the sex scenes there's only the intro/trailer.
You mean the leaf animation inbetween scenes? That's just a single leaf image overimposed, the animation is done by Ren'py on your client. In SG back in Ch4 it kinda pissed me off cause it fired every minute, but I don't mind it inbetween scenes in WiAB.

The MC is way too swollen.

I personally like him. He's unique and fits into the story. He got the right phisique du role for a porn game protagonist.

And the lip piercings...absolutely hate them.

Not fully disagreeing on the lip piercings, but they've always been present even in the pre-reworked game.

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Miru appears much less Japanese—still very cute and sexy, but just...something's missing.

Because she is. In the old WiAB she was fully japanese, now she's half japanese.
This will probably be more relevant later on in the story.

And Leia's no longer the sister who just wants to be with her brother (in every way); she's just angry and dismissive.

Out of all the people William abandoned, nobody is as pissed off as Leia. She still hasn't forgiven him for that, I guess this will start being addressed in the next chapter since Leia and Will start in the same car. She might be glad he's back, but she's still royally pissed off.

 

[Mortarion]

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If you post a pic of the old Miru, please keep it fair and don't pick that one that shows Miru from the MC point of view while he is drugged by Katie and makes a short trip to the hospital after. There are "better" pictures for a example of the old Miru.

An important point has to be considered: WIAB was in the beginning only written by Ocean, the art and coding was done by Regium. So the blame for the optical mess the old was lies by Regium. And we should put in mind that back then the hardwarepower was not present.

That was bullshit from me, I confused the games ...

What other animations? I looked at the game's folders and other than the sex scenes there's only the intro/trailer.
You mean the leaf animation inbetween scenes? That's just a single leaf image overimposed, the animation is done by Ren'py on your client. In SG back in Ch4 it kinda pissed me off cause it fired every minute, but I don't mind it inbetween scenes in WiAB.

I asume you are right, the transitions in SG are a little bit annoying but ni WIAB are way less - but WIAB has not the contend SG has, yet ...

 

[Abhai]

An important point has to be considered: WIAB was in the beginning only written by Ocean, the art and coding was done by Regium. So the blame for the optical mess the old was lies by Regium. And we should put in mind that back then the hardwarepower was not present.

Hmm, i thought WIAB was a game fully made by Ocean, unlike SG
Yet, Im far from an expert, so you are probably right
Anyway, an interesting piece of information...

 

[hahequ]

If you post a pic of the old Miru, please keep it fair and don't pick that one that shows Miru from the MC point of view while he is drugged by Katie and makes a short trip to the hospital after. There are "better" pictures for a example of the old Miru.

An important point has to be considered: WIAB was in the beginning only written by Ocean, the art and coding was done by Regium. So the blame for the optical mess the old was lies by Regium. And we should put in mind that back then the hardwarepower was not present.


I asume you are right, the transitions in SG are a little bit annoying but ni WIAB are way less - but WIAB has not the contend SG has, yet ...

Does Regium work on anything right now or vanished?

 

[Mortarion]

Hmm, i thought WIAB was a game fully made by Ocean, unlike SG
Yet, Im far from an expert, so you are probably right
Anyway, an interesting piece of information...

You are right, I have confused the games.

 

[Train of Thought]

Hmm, i thought WIAB was a game fully made by Ocean, unlike SG
Yet, Im far from an expert, so you are probably right
Anyway, an interesting piece of information...

You're right
Mortarion mixed it up with SG, WIAB has always been Ocean's solo project from the very beginning, and it's his first vn

 

[Mortarion]

Does Regium work on anything right now or vanished?

Despite that i have messed up the games, I have never seen or heard anything from him. But I have to be honest the this was at a time I had no real desire to pay attention for such things ...

 

[sorco2003]

Does Regium work on anything right now or vanished?

vanished

 

[Turret]

And Leia's no longer the sister who just wants to be with her brother (in every way); she's just angry and dismissive.

Out of all the people William abandoned, nobody is as pissed off as Leia. She still hasn't forgiven him for that, I guess this will start being addressed in the next chapter since Leia and Will start in the same car. She might be glad he's back, but she's still royally pissed off.

That is exactly the point here. Leia would have definitely gone with Willi back when he fled Wollust, but he went alone. We can be sure he had reasons which seemed good to him why Leia should stay at home, not playing Dr. Kimble with him, but it nevertheless pissed her off. Going by some of the teaser pics for chapter 3, this will be talked about by the twins and I am sure if we as the MC want to, we can begin to fully reconcil with Leia. Before we could only do a few bit things, like giving her a hug after arriving home.
The following is just a theory by me, but I think if we do not try to reconcil with her or just being neutral, this might bring about one of the NTR paths worked into the game. While starting to reconcil will make the Leia NTR path rather unlikely to fire, the feelings they had for each other are still there.

I do not feel the angst and heartache that Katie felt not being chosen

I think there are reasons for this change, not the least what happened back then when Willi fled. The Twins were bullies with few real friends and not easily intimidated, see how they helped Gloria. To impact such persons so deep that Willi fled by night and fog, Kati must have made an epic asshole move of her own, otherwise the MC would not have done something so drastic as fleeing the city. Neither Willi nor Leia have ever forgiven Kati for this, so it cannot be a simple snitching.

 

[Nurikabe]

What other animations? I looked at the game's folders and other than the sex scenes there's only the intro/trailer.
You mean the leaf animation inbetween scenes? That's just a single leaf image overimposed, the animation is done by Ren'py on your client. In SG back in Ch4 it kinda pissed me off cause it fired every minute, but I don't mind it inbetween scenes in WiAB.

Ahh, so the transitions are odd and long? Wrongfully assumed those were videos. Makes sense that he went that route. And now that I think about it, clicking does move ahead.

I personally like him. He's unique and fits into the story. He got the right phisique du role for a porn game protagonist.

I think the idea of taking after his dad, the back story of being a sporty guy in high school, and being a physical trainer all support the "swoll" look. I am not unhappy that he is a big dude. But there is big and there is BIG.

While on the subject of the MC, I certainly prefer the previous back story compared to the current story of him being a huge douche growing up.

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Out of all the people William abandoned, nobody is as pissed off as Leia. She still hasn't forgiven him for that, I guess this will start being addressed in the next chapter since Leia and Will start in the same car. She might be glad he's back, but she's still royally pissed off.

I think there are reasons for this change, not the least what happened back then when Willi fled. The Twins were bullies with few real friends and not easily intimidated, see how they helped Gloria. To impact such persons so deep that Willi fled by night and fog, Kati must have made an epic asshole move of her own, otherwise the MC would not have done something so drastic as fleeing the city. Neither Willi nor Leia have ever forgiven Kati for this, so it cannot be a simple snitching.

Thinking more about Leia, the relationship between the two, and what I don't enjoy about it, it became clear that I was comparing new vs old. Carrying thoughts of the old story into the current story. That is dangerous because in many ways this new story is really a NEW story. Many aspects of the old story I really enjoyed. The relationship between the siblings was a major part of that enjoyment. But it would be faulty to assume that any part of that story can be carried forward.

In general, my comments still stand: compared to the previous version, there are many things I enjoyed more and will miss. And still, the current story is very enjoyable and I am excited to see how it progresses going forward.

 

[Euron13]

It’s important to remember that while there are changes...this isn’t a NEW game. It has the same title, the same basic premise, same characters etc...there are differences, but it’s a remake of something that already existed. Comparisons are really inescapable.

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

Ahh, so the transitions are odd and long? Wrongfully assumed those were videos. Makes sense that he went that route. And now that I think about it, clicking does move ahead.


I think the idea of taking after his dad, the back story of being a sporty guy in high school, and being a physical trainer all support the "swoll" look. I am not unhappy that he is a big dude. But there is big and there is BIG.

While on the subject of the MC, I certainly prefer the previous back story compared to the current story of him being a huge douche growing up.




Thinking more about Leia, the relationship between the two, and what I don't enjoy about it, it became clear that I was comparing new vs old. Carrying thoughts of the old story into the current story. That is dangerous because in many ways this new story is really a NEW story. Many aspects of the old story I really enjoyed. The relationship between the siblings was a major part of that enjoyment. But it would be faulty to assume that any part of that story can be carried forward.

In general, my comments still stand: compared to the previous version, there are many things I enjoyed more and will miss. And still, the current story is very enjoyable and I am excited to see how it progresses going forward.

I agree with the back story thing. It's been a while since I've played the og so I don't remember much of his back story outside of him and Leia being mean to Katy when they were kids. But I certainly don't recall him being a Dbag. In the remake tho he's DB personified and its like Ocean did his best to make that clear. I won't lie, it did take me out of it for a bit cause I hate asshole MCs unless they're meant to be the villain then I'm all for it. But this is not that kinda novel

 

[Nurikabe]

I agree with the back story thing. It's been a while since I've played the og so I don't remember much of his back story outside of him and Leia being mean to Katy when they were kids. But I certainly don't recall him being a Dbag. In the remake tho he's DB personified and its like Ocean did his best to make that clear. I won't lie, it did take me out of it for a bit cause I hate asshole MCs unless they're meant to be the villain then I'm all for it. But this is not that kinda novel

At least he is making up for it now. Redemption is a popular theme (although not one I typically enjoy). I think Ocean can pull it off with this story.

I enjoy going after the LIs that take work. The broken girls who need the healing power of the MC. Leia fits that bill, and Katie does as well.

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

At least he is making up for it now. Redemption is a popular theme (although not one I typically enjoy). I think Ocean can pull it off with this story.

I enjoy going after the LIs that take work. The broken girls who need the healing power of the MC. Leia fits that bill, and Katie does as well.

It may appear that way yeah. I don't know tho cause he didn't seem that remorseful when he spoke to the woman he fucked over in the past. Generally he seems kinda cold and quite so maybe that's why it didn't feel like he was all that remorseful when talking to her but you're right, I'm sure Ocean can pull it off. Hopefully, cause the last thing we need is a roided asshole MC lol.

Same honestly. The ones who throws themselves at the MC don't peak my interest that much. I like the challenge and the story build up to it.. Makes the game and characters feel interesting and worthwhile.