VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

You hit the nail on the head (for me) with the last part of your sentence. Sure, away from Leia he still ended up going to prison (though to be fair, we have no idea why or over what at the moment). But the common denominator of all the 'shit' when he was younger, was Leia was there. Away from Leia (say for example with Katie) he was not exactly the same arrogant, self-absorbed asshole. Leia for all their 'bond', also brought out the worst in him, in my opinion.


You'd need to extrapolate that to specific instances. One example might be his first response to seeing Dana, however, read between the lines, try to understand their connection before he left, he knows he can say that to her and he knows she won't take offence, in fact, as seen, quite the opposite. He has the balls (and bare-faced cheek) to say it as it is to her face which no one else will and/or does. I think we will find there are a lot of people around Wollust who actually appreciate his 'straight shooting' as it were. Gina is one for that matter.


He is arrogant, self-absorbed and a bit of a jerk. But he a likeable guy and a decent guy with it. That's his 'comfortable with you' persona and general attitude. I'm sure most of us have a friends/family attiture very different from say a work personality? BobTheDuck once mentioned some time ago, if we veiw him as he is with strangers (and not people he grew up with, knows etc), then that is a measure of his true self. So take the garage girl when him and Miru stop for petrol (gas for you weird ass yanks) as an example. How is Willi then towards her? Is he an ass? Arrogant?

No, he isn't, in fact, he's actually well-thought, reasoned and sympathetic.

I think the very first time we can see that William isn't a jerk is whn he cries on the phone. He gets overwhelmed by the emotions brought up, which is at odds with the flashbacks of him as a child. If I think of it like this - he left while he was forming his self image, and his only way to connect with people from his past is to reference the mask of his old self image. That's what they knew of him, and mostly they liked him despite his jerk/childish nature. Around Miru he can be playful, a jerk or normal. Around Daphne he is mostly normal as well - he knows them as an adult. Going back to Wollust, he's trying to find out how people see him, and his old personality is the only frame of reference he has. If you notice, with Sven and Abigail as well, he acts far more maturely, and with Dylan. It is with women he wants to impress that he puts a mask on, and unfortunately the only one he knows is being a jerk. But he also plays it, specifically acting like a meathead in front of Leia to keep her from seeing he is actually grown up and smart enough to see through her bullshit.

To some extent, Ocean has used his heterochromia as a symbol for this dual nature: Janus/chameleon. Regardless of the mask being on or off, he's not a simple character, and not as he appears, but unlike the tropes, I don't think he is written to be malicious. You mostly have the choice to be inappropriate or de-escalate. As he says, he's getting better.

After saying that, I think towards his enemies (who we don't know yet) he will actually be capable of being a bit brutal.

Hello everyone, before playing this game I would like to know if someone can clarify something for me.

First I have to clarify that I don't like NTR, but I like games that have NTR. I know it sounds contradictory of course, but I'll try to explain myself....

I like that a game has NTR activated, but that it only happens if you do things wrong with your partner. That is, even if the game has NTR activated, your partner will only cheat on you if you treat them badly or the MC has previously cheated on them and they find out or things like that.

I find it much more exciting and realistic to play a game in which the possibility of being cheated exists, but it won't just happen. I prefer games like that instead of games without NTR activated and no matter what the MC does, his partner will always adore him.... That takes away from the excitement....

That said, I would like to know if this game is one of those that if they have NTR activated, it doesn't matter if you are faithful or that you love your girl, she will cheat on you no matter what.

Thank you.

We don't know much yet, but so far, it does seem like NTR is a consequence for decisions you make. There are choices that you can't know the outcome to for many chapters though, you might easily set things in motion. Currently, there's not enough content to get a true picture of how it will be, but the consequences seem like they will be deserved when they do happen, rather than token.

 

[Maviarab]

Why do you like WiaB more?

Well, it's the far better story. This story came first, was the first VN and was Ocean's first love.

To add to the above, this came out first so caught my attention first. Imo, the first release of SG didn't overly impress me, I tried it as knew Ocean was connected to it. I also dislike 'teen' drama 'school setting' VN's more and more, I struggle to identify with them a lot (even as just reading a story, I much prefer 'adult' MC's) and most are retarded fucking morons who have never seen a woman before (probably same goes for the devs too I imagine lol). I couldn't have identified with them when I was 18, *mumbles* years ago, never mind now lol.

I think the characters are better, I think the plot is better and more interesting (even more so now), as much as I dislike Leia I think she a fascinating character and really looking forward to knowing more about her and Willi when they were younger. I don't know, it's hard to say ultimately as sometimes you just like something, it clicks and resonates with you, often for reasons you can't actually articulate.

And of course, it has Katie <3

SG only got the love it got as for some reason, it's more financially viable/popular (probably the teen/college setting thing). But more popular does not always equate to better

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Well, it's the far better story. This story came first, was the first VN and was Ocean's first love.

To add to the above, this came out first so caught my attention first. Imo, the first release of SG didn't overly impress me, I tried it as knew Ocean was connected to it. I also dislike 'teen' drama 'school setting' VN's more and more, I struggle to identify them a lot and most of retarded fucking morons who have never seena woman before (probably same goes for the devs too lol). I couldn;t have identified with them when I was 18 *mumbles* years ago, never mind now lol.

I think the characters are better, I think the plot is better and more interesting (even more so now), as much as I dislike Leia I think she a fascinating character and really looking forward to knowing more about her and Willi when they were younger. I don't know, it's hard to say ultimately as sometimes you just like something, it clicks and resonates with you, often for reasons you can't actually articulate. SG only got the love it got as for some reason, it's more financially viable/popular (probably the teen/college setting thing).

But more popular does not always equate to better

You nailed most of my thoughts.

1. SG is a silly teen drama romance (boring)
2. WiaB is more adult-oriented with a more interesting story
3. Wiab has sex scenes while SG does not
4. Katie, Miru, Daphne, Leia, Zoey, Dana, etc.
5. You probably won't agree with this one, but I like the sharing/swinging/EnTeeArrr aspect
6. SG MC has limp dick and is pathetic, while Willie wants sum fuk

 

[warheadd]

Well, it's the far better story. This story came first, was the first VN and was Ocean's first love.

To add to the above, this came out first so caught my attention first. Imo, the first release of SG didn't overly impress me, I tried it as knew Ocean was connected to it. I also dislike 'teen' drama 'school setting' VN's more and more, I struggle to identify with them a lot (even as just reading a story, I much prefer 'adult' MC's) and most are retarded fucking morons who have never seen a woman before (probably same goes for the devs too I imagine lol). I couldn't have identified with them when I was 18, *mumbles* years ago, never mind now lol.

I think the characters are better, I think the plot is better and more interesting (even more so now), as much as I dislike Leia I think she a fascinating character and really looking forward to knowing more about her and Willi when they were younger. I don't know, it's hard to say ultimately as sometimes you just like something, it clicks and resonates with you, often for reasons you can't actually articulate.

And of course, it has Katie <3

SG only got the love it got as for some reason, it's more financially viable/popular (probably the teen/college setting thing). But more popular does not always equate to better

I agree with the plot and the view of teen drama though I still think that it's a bit hard to stay interested in both of them given how he is working on two games and how much time it would take to update each other. Regardless, I mostly agree with your opinion on WiaB being a better game at this current time. Though, compared to other AVN's both of these games are better than most and have some of the best art, best looking characters, and best character writing (some of the characters) which elevate it.

 

[StingerWolf]

Well, it's the far better story. This story came first, was the first VN and was Ocean's first love.

To add to the above, this came out first so caught my attention first. Imo, the first release of SG didn't overly impress me, I tried it as knew Ocean was connected to it. I also dislike 'teen' drama 'school setting' VN's more and more, I struggle to identify with them a lot (even as just reading a story, I much prefer 'adult' MC's) and most are retarded fucking morons who have never seen a woman before (probably same goes for the devs too I imagine lol). I couldn't have identified with them when I was 18, *mumbles* years ago, never mind now lol.

I think the characters are better, I think the plot is better and more interesting (even more so now), as much as I dislike Leia I think she a fascinating character and really looking forward to knowing more about her and Willi when they were younger. I don't know, it's hard to say ultimately as sometimes you just like something, it clicks and resonates with you, often for reasons you can't actually articulate.

SG only got the love it got as for some reason, it's more financially viable/popular (probably the teen/college setting thing). But more popular does not always equate to better

When I first tried out WiaB it came to me over like a B rated usual NTR VN. Miru looked horrible. SG had initially better visuals. I think that is the main reason it got more popular, as simple as that. I think WiaB is just as good, maybe even better, due to it being more mature. SG is very spread out due to characters being teens and so many, and school life is not something that can advance a deep plot well. Even in SG I like the deeper out of school characters like Amber, Noji, Book club(Charlotte, damn), Vanessa. I can't do much with the teen antics there.
WiaB has mostly adults. I am literally mesmerized by Leia, if I had a good signature, I would switch Amber out. I feel that both VNs have deep characters, but WiaB is stronger in this department. Even the MC is more multifaceted, than SG MC.

 

[Maviarab]

4. Katie, Miru, Daphne, Leia, Zoey, Dana, etc.

Spoiler: How could you forget me GooML? Am I just an etc etc to you????

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5. You probably won't agree with this one, but I like the sharing/swinging/EnTeeArrr aspect

I actually have no issues with NTR to be honest. Not my fave genre but if written wekll, in a way that actually makes logicical sense, it's all good. I actually have saves (which may change yet depending on next few chapters) where I push Miru to share/do porn and a save where I will fuck Daphne and hope she finds out rofl.

Miru looked horrible

Never mention old Miru ever gain. Ever...

SG is very spread out due to characters being teens and so many

I think (for me) this is another plus point for WIAB. Smaller cast of characters (well, currently at least), easier to get to know them more/better and a tighter plot (though with many things to come it would seem).

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Spoiler: How could you forget me GooML? Am I just an etc etc to you????

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Yes! Of course! I just didn't want to basically name every single character in the game (thus the etc. at the end) lol

I actually have no issues with NTR to be honest. Not my fave genre but if written wekll, in a way that actually makes logicical sense, it's all good. I actually have saves (which may change yet depending on next few chapters) where I push Miru to share/do porn and a save where I will fuck Daphne and hope she finds out rofl.

Good man. For me, anything like that has to make sense and be more on the fun side, not cliche or trope-y like you see in a lot of games solely focused on that genre. I like a little bit of realism to these games.

 

[RNasc4444]

SG only got the love it got as for some reason, it's more financially viable/popular (probably the teen/college setting thing). But more popular does not always equate to better

You keep telling yourself that buddy

Don't worry though I won't post any more old Miru screenshots. Just know that you are wrong, SG > WiAB.

I would tease GetOutOfMyLab about his crappy taste too but he's porting a game I like very much so I'd rather not make it on his shitlist

When I first tried out WiaB it came to me over like a B rated usual NTR VN. Miru looked horrible. SG had initially better visuals. I think that is the main reason it got more popular, as simple as that.

I was unlucky enough to see early versions of both games and trust me, neither looked "better". They both looked pretty damn awful. What really makes a difference is the setting and overall tone. Look at BaDIK for example...there is a reason why devs keep using a particular setting...

 

[Maviarab]

You keep telling yourself that buddy

Don't worry though I won't post any more old Miru screenshots. Just know that you are wrong, SG > WiAB.

You know, given your dislike of a lot of things all SG, I'm surprised you don't prefer this one

 

[RNasc4444]

You know, given your dislike of a lot of things all SG, I'm surprised you don't prefer this one

You should know by now, I wouldn't waste so much of my time on a thread of a game I hate. I want it to be better. And by my experience, prasing something that has a lot of issues doesn't help make it better

And I do like the reworked WiAB a lot more than I liked the old one. The story and characters just haven't grabbed me as much as the other game. But hey keep giving me more Katie and Miru and maybe I'll come around...

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

You should know by now, I wouldn't waste so much of my time on a thread of a game I hate. I want it to be better. And by my experience, prasing something that has a lot of issues doesn't help make it better

And I do like the reworked WiAB a lot more than I liked the old one. The story and characters just haven't grabbed me as much as the other game. But hey keep giving me more Katie and Miru and maybe I'll come around...

Devs do need to be hearing things outside their echo chamber, that's for sure.

 

[warheadd]

Even now though let's be honest, in terms of the current state of both games, WiaB is much more coherent and has less branching story-lines that are easier to follow than Summer's Gone. However, it seems that Ocean will keep adding more characters, more branching, and more plot-lines where it becomes questionable how these games will look in the future. I worry that it will be too much and will result in the games derailing from their original charm and base story-line. It can work but like I said, it's hard to see a future where both games are finished and is well-received beyond. But as I mentioned, I feel its much better in WiaB than Summers Gone.

 

[StingerWolf]

You keep telling yourself that buddy

Don't worry though I won't post any more old Miru screenshots. Just know that you are wrong, SG > WiAB.

I would tease GetOutOfMyLab about his crappy taste too but he's porting a game I like very much so I'd rather not make it on his shitlist


I was unlucky enough to see early versions of both games and trust me, neither looked "better". They both looked pretty damn awful. What really makes a difference is the setting and overall tone. Look at BaDIK for example...there is a reason why devs keep using a particular setting...

SG had way better models initially. Just compare old Ayua and old Miru. Worlds apart. Not to mention I hate new Mila with passion. The clothing change for Amber even more. SG was way better then WiaB in visuals. New WiaB is like a new game.

 

[Kakasan]

Hello everyone, before playing this game I would like to know if someone can clarify something for me.

First I have to clarify that I don't like NTR, but I like games that have NTR. I know it sounds contradictory of course, but I'll try to explain myself....

I like that a game has NTR activated, but that it only happens if you do things wrong with your partner. That is, even if the game has NTR activated, your partner will only cheat on you if you treat them badly or the MC has previously cheated on them and they find out or things like that.

I find it much more exciting and realistic to play a game in which the possibility of being cheated exists, but it won't just happen. I prefer games like that instead of games without NTR activated and no matter what the MC does, his partner will always adore him.... That takes away from the excitement....

That said, I would like to know if this game is one of those that if they have NTR activated, it doesn't matter if you are faithful or that you love your girl, she will cheat on you no matter what.

Thank you.

In the old version with NTR, even if you made correct choices, little NTR would happen, Miru's ex-boyfriend hugged her and kissed her without her wanting to, but if you made wrong choices she She kissed him, later on you could choose which clothes she would wear, depending on the clothes the ex-boyfriend did a sex scene but he had premature ejaculation ,Then she regretted having betrayed Wiliam.

 

[Kakasan]

Hello everyone, before playing this game I would like to know if someone can clarify something for me.

First I have to clarify that I don't like NTR, but I like games that have NTR. I know it sounds contradictory of course, but I'll try to explain myself....

I like that a game has NTR activated, but that it only happens if you do things wrong with your partner. That is, even if the game has NTR activated, your partner will only cheat on you if you treat them badly or the MC has previously cheated on them and they find out or things like that.

I find it much more exciting and realistic to play a game in which the possibility of being cheated exists, but it won't just happen. I prefer games like that instead of games without NTR activated and no matter what the MC does, his partner will always adore him.... That takes away from the excitement....

That said, I would like to know if this game is one of those that if they have NTR activated, it doesn't matter if you are faithful or that you love your girl, she will cheat on you no matter what.

Thank you.

What I didn't like about the old version is that at no point did she warn William that she had cheated on him, however when Wiliam got a woman pregnant in the bathroom she thought it was bad

 

[Maviarab]

SG had way better models initially. Just compare old Ayua and old Miru. Worlds apart. Not to mention I hate new Mila with passion. The clothing change for Amber even more. SG was way better then WiaB in visuals. New WiaB is like a new game.

You mentioned 'her' again Stinger....I told you not too...

Don't make me use the Schwartz!

 

[StingerWolf]

You mentioned 'her' again Stinger....I told you not too...

Don't make me use the Schwartz!

Apologize. I mentioned her to someone else though...

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Don't make me use the Schwartz!

I see your Schwartz is as big as mine...

 

[Kakasan]

I felt sorry for the old miru, Wiliam had the option of using her as a bargaining chip and then breaking up with her.

 

[Maviarab]

I see your Schwartz is as big as mine...

I was thinking about approaching Ocean with a merchandising idea...Spaceballs the Penis Extender....