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When youI'm sorry Bob, you're right. It's just that anytime I look at her I see the similarites. I CAN'T unsee it
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Looking at Leia do you really think that Dana has what it takes to make her wear a leash ? I am not sure that William could do that. Hell I am not sure if she is not the real antagonist and the Helen thing was not a ploy to fuck William over. I think that is far more easy that Leia ends up holding Dana's chain.
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I mean, even Willy knows it's a joke to call her Princess Leia, and she likes wearing jewellery.
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I completely missed the Star Wars joke. Would say that her royalty is more akin to the Emperor than Princess Leia herself.I mean, even Willy knows it's a joke to call her Princess Leia, and she likes wearing jewellery.
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Emporer Leia doesn't have the same ring to it though lol.
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Yeah leia is a demon I think miru is already fucked and stepped in leias trap....
Leia is 5 head evil master and has plans for miru ....
Nooo
the pinky promis lads Remember leias spirit animal is a SNAKE!!!
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Ayua is proof that Leia doesn't get everything her way though - Ayua will be conceived (like most of SG's cast) a year after, so whatever happens, William Will impregnate MIru again. If they're 18 for college, only Nami and Adri and the Revera on the first team are potentially old enough to be WiaBlings. Or the events we see in WiaB are over a year long, when the first 4 chapters take place in a week?Yeah leia is a demon I think miru is already fucked and stepped in leias trap....
Leia is 5 head evil master and has plans for miru ....
Nooo
Remember leias spirit animal is a SNAKE!!!
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In the WiaB thread, if we're not conspiring about the plot, we're memeing it with Star Wars, or going full fourth wall and memeing the memes with Spaceballs.
Bonus points: this, bibi and Leia and Willi's old WiaB younger models are why there are conspiracies about Nika's parentage in SG, and why the SG thread is always looking for similarities in haircuts.
Tell her ego that though
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No it does not, still I can see Leia trying to conquer the Oceanverse. But if Leia is the Emperor, William is Luke or Darth Vader ?
Leia is either playing 3D chess and is 10 steps ahead of everybody or so above her league that she can't see the mistakes that she is making, and I really don't know with one I prefer. Yeah the symbolism with her is pretty clear, as is the fact that William has a snake as a pet, already can see Gefritzel falling in love with Leia.Yeah leia is a demon I think miru is already fucked and stepped in leias trap....
Leia is 5 head evil master and has plans for miru ....
Nooo
Remember leias spirit animal is a SNAKE!!!
Do we know how long WiaB is supposed to last ? In game time that is ? Miru is actively trying to get pregnant at the start of the game, if Adrianna is theirs daughter is possible that Miru is already pregnant ? I remember that OG had pregnancy content planned. Regarding Leia wants and William/Miru, that is a whole can of worms, too little info to say with certain. Still, I can see Leia and Miru growing close.
Not really a Star Wars fan, aside from the general pop culture knowledge I don't know nothing about it, probably why I missed the joke, yours and Ocean's. I have however seen the old renders, I tend to not look to deep into assets, DAZ and all that, for me is more of a logical conclusion have Nika and William being related in some form, just make too much sense to not be it.In the WiaB thread, if we're not conspiring about the plot, we're memeing it with Star Wars, or going full fourth wall and memeing the memes with Spaceballs.
Bonus points: this, bibi and Leia and Willi's old WiaB younger models are why there are conspiracies about Nika's parentage in SG, and why the SG thread is always looking for similarities in haircuts.
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In point form:
- (Serious) Given the change in relationship - what if Darth Vader is their actual dad, and William and Leia are Luke and Leia? We don't know their relationship to the actual Wollust power structure yet. They are definitely the rebel characters so far, seeking to topple the current power structures and establish their own. The question is hard to discuss because we only have shadows of an antagonist currently.
- She's out of her league. Miru showed her that, William showed her that at the police station and at her club without even trying. The fact that Miru is being nice and cute doesn't hire from the fact that she can take on spiders. Hands down, Miru would win if she wanted, even if Leia was doing pysch games. Miru is just more interested in Willi's happiness than power. I say this as a Katie fan. Both Willi and MIru hide their effectiveness behind a mask of childishness. Check out how William get's info out of Katie after the pool blowjob, setting aside his own agenda to get the info, the way he deals with Donna, without her realising he's onto her, the way he pretends to be a meathead around Leia. He's a pretty deep character, who's keeping things hidden while he finds his feet again. Also on William's side - He inspires loyalty in Daphne despite (probably) never having banged her - she's in tears even though she's put up with Miru hating her for 5 years just to stick with her friend. This kinda shows there's a lot more to Willi than the way he ran away and the way he treated Mon. Just a side note.
William showed Leia she's not in control despite having Emilio to search out facts, despite having muscle protection - he can make her behave irrationally like flipping a switch. Getting the info about Asavera, and finding out what Leia's trying to hide from him in the first days back. She's too in love with the idea of being important to consider keeping her eyes open, while William is watching and finding out where things are at as an outsider.
- We don't. I'm sure there will be time skips, but I can't imagine Ocean skipping years. I'd say 6 months tops, based on the idea that the antagonist isn't going to wait for them to discover what's going on. The antagonist would push to make their move to win, not see how they're going to respond. And Adri is what I mean by there are only a few who could be WiaB babies. A pregnancy close to term in the game if it's shorter than 6 months means pre-existing, if it happens mid way through the game, how much would we notice (vs complaining Ocean's fattening up the girls)? Also, if Miru is becoming a breed machine, there needs to be a break inbetween the buns. She can only have one pregnancy at a time - there has to be at LEAST 9 months between Adri and Ayua if they're both Miru's. Or they're non identical twins. Also, if the other one in the tub is Miru's as well? Ayua's probably the youngest, which makes a further 9 month gestation, which would mean most of these Mirulings would be post WiaB.
If Ayua is the same age as Nika (likely) and this is the first year they can go to college (seems true the way he mentions Nami was kept back a year), then with Adri being older and no one in WiaB being pregnant at that point, the timeline for Ayua's birth determines the age of all of SG's main cast. THe more of Miru's daughters there are before Ayua (which they have to be otherwise they would likely be minors), the less chance there is of any of SG being a Wiab pregancy.
Of the people who could be Williamlings that we know of already, the person on the first team, Vanessa, Adri and Nami excluded, all the others are (presumably in their first year being in the same class implies) the same age. The thing is more to do with how long Miru remains pregnant for with each child. Sure william can sleep around, but if they're the same age as Ayua, his infidelities have to happen around the time he gets Miru pregant with Ayua, not Adri etc.
Last point here. Ocean can of course screw up the timelines for the sake of a story. Some random dude on the internet trying to logically make sense of the timelines (or the distance to the cabin or Tropics high out west to the hospital for that matter) will not stop Ocean sweeping those problems under the carpet. If the story's good, it kinda doesn't matter, even if it breaks the laws of physics.
- The problem with the assets is that in Ch6 and SG Ch2 prior to the rework, it became super obvious what the crossover intent was. That's no longer the case. But some assets are clear intentions, such as Leia's earrings. The rest, I kind of think Ocean is laying a whole bunch of misdirection in a really clever way, even if he's (seemingly) bad with timelines and distances.
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I will try to responde in the same manner, but chances are that I will end up mixing things up.
- Rebels is a good way do describe because I don't think they can be considered heroes. Unsure if Ocean would make their blood lineage a plot point, more changes on the story, personally I like to think of William as Vader, a promised hero corrupted by power.
- A lot to unpack here. Leia. I do agree with everything you said, the thing is, I don't thing that the Leia we are seeing is the "real" Leia , nobody makes to the position she is in by being dumb and lucking out. Leia may be full of herself but I don't take her for a fool, but she does not think straight with William around. For me the club scene showed that, not only that, the comments about Mon, the Miru fight how she flips from one emotion to the other. I may be given her more credit than she is due, I don't doubt her capabilities, but she is not thinking straight.
William/Miru. I completely agree, wholeheartedly agree and honestly I get kinda mad when people dismiss William as just a jerk, sure he is a jerk, but there are so more to his character than that, but I only see talk on how he is a POS, I find William a great MC and a very engaging character. Miru. same, I agree, even in the OG Miru was a character that had more to her than she lets on. I am curious to see if we are gonna get the plot line with her family in the New. About Leia Vs Miru. I confess that I am unsure over who would make who wear a leash, but I have a feeling that they would come to the conclusion that peace is better than self assured destruction.
- Baby math. But you are talking about they being conceived while the events of WiaB play out, some characters being too young to be conceived in the game does not excludes them from being William offspring - though William cheating preggos Miru is too much of a dick move - can always existis a epilogue 3 months later with William, Elena and little Sasha. Honestly for all the respect that I have for Ocean storytelling I don't think that he can make all the possibles scenarios work.
- Assets. The earrings has attention draw to them, multiple characters mention them, is not like Nami using the same shirt that Katie designed - find it far more easy Ocean being reusing asset than make a point about Katie carrer - about old models. I don't know, I can see the logic, but at the same time it may just be a asset that Ocean liked or was easy to use, did not followed either game as closely at the time. While I do think that the MCs are related in some form, is more from a storytelling perspetive than from asset, I just find a weak argument.
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Ah it's all good, there's a lot to get mixed up, Ocean does it too. I'm mixing it up myself trying to straighten it out.
- Ocean doesn't have to make their lineage a plot point, but it's an easy way to avoid uncertainty. Half the theories in SG are Nika or Summer or Sasha being victims of mob warfare and being fostered out anyway (regardless of whether they're right or wrong). I kinda suspect there will be a personal angle to the antagonist in some fashion, the way the religious camps are mentioned with the grandma (well, who they thought was their grandma), the weirdness of Helen being targeted rather than Leia (much easier to go for the throat), even Willi recognises the spiders are a weird and dumb intimidation tactic. It suggests to me there's some connection pre-existing Leia's businesses.
- I don't think we're seeing the real Leia 100% either, but she is a character owned by her resentment of William (and to some extent Katie). That switch she can't control, which implies her self control is fragile. Not just because of William - whatever she cares about the way she cares for William will become a weak point. She acts disinterested and cold to hide what she cares about. However, the fight with Miru shows that she can learn, and her backing down regarding Mon suggests she can accept her own prejudice. If she can overcome her prejudicial thinking, she'll have better success. Her business doesn't affect her sense of self control, because she doesn't care about it for itself, it's a means, so it's more telling to see how she reacts to what affects her personally.
- Yep, William is generally characterised negatively because of the way decade-ago-teen-William acted as though a decade (partially spent in prison and working to better himself) won't have any significant change. Who at 25 doesn't cringe when they think of themselves at 15? The problem isn't that William is so bad, but the circumstances were extreme. The point that he has won the loyalty of two very good women (Miru and Daphne both seem to be 'good' in a morally ambivalent universe and they both supported William through his bad times) I think gets lost. Daphne's character really points this out - she's acting like it's a break up, despite not having ever had any of WIlliam's loving, at least not for 5 years. At their age, 5 years is a long time to wait if she's hoping William will leave Miru.
- Baby math - if Wiab is 20 years before SG, the oldest child conceived by Willi (during WiaB) can be 19 and 3 months from the start of WiaB (the first sex scene). We're assuming everyone in the SG class is 18 or older (ToS). If Ayua is the same age as Nika (given 20 years between the games), She's have to be conceived no later than 6 months after Adri's born, in order to be ToS compliant. There is no time for any further sisters that are older than 18. Maybe Miru is pregnant at the start of WiaB and doesn't know, given her physical shape, that would add maybe 3 months at most? That would mean she could breed three is she's kept pregnant the whole time. Of course, all the other characters could be Willilings, but they are the same age as Ayua - remember Jeff saying they all went to the same highschool, that's how they know each other, and they're all starting college at the same time. This timeline makes Vanessa, Nami and Adri 9 months to a year older. Vanessa then can't be William's unless he meets Nick and cucks him pretty darn soon. Again, that would mean that Vanessa's mom stays pregnant for two kids. Vanessa might already be born at the start of WiaB.
If they are all connected in some way, Ocean needs to have a greater than 20 year gap. It's currently pretty implausible as Leia's not in a relationship (implied) and Willi doesn't know that he has any wild oats yet. Also, Vanessa and Nika being Willi or Leia's offspring is mutually exclusive to Vanessa being a LI in SG - if either one has 'Zane' heritage (I guess that's what we'll call it until we find out in Ch4 what's going on), it precludes Vanessa being a LI.
- The earrings are a plot point, because they're mentioned in multiple chapters by different people. Back when WiaB was first done, Leia's earring stood out (once she got them). Ocean used them on another character that is no longer in WiaB, but they've become part of Leia's identity in WiaB. in SG:
- Nami mentions she was given it by a female stranger, so not someone she knew, like SUmmer's mom, or aunt.
- Sasha wants to know about it, if it was common, she'd not be interested. She has money enough to know they're not common earrings
- Ayua stops Sasha from questioning Nami about them
- Vanessa also knows a lot about jewellery, and knows they are uncommon, and thinks she's seen them before.
- None of the other girls comment, because to Nia, Vic, Mila Sonya, the earring means nothing, it's just an earring.
I agree that clothing models and hairstyles generally aren't clues (except for potentially Leia's buns in the old flashback compared to early Summer's, coupled with the bibi word which was Leia, William and Katie's word first).
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I think the thing you are also forget is that as far as I understood
This game will have multiple choices and endings so ofc ocean (probably) takes a good ending for SG because it will be more Bdik like game ....
But with WIAB he can do more drama ,fuckery,intrigues.... and ofc there also will be options how antagonist can fuck miru ,daphne .....or whoever mc is dating up
Sure maybe in canon ending miru and mc will marry and have multiple children
But there will prob be other path were leia or other gang leaders will win..so I think the antagonist are not something you should take as a joke like the small little biker that willi hits... they will prob be more dangerious so mc and miru ( or person mc is dating not everybody will choose miru as love of willis life) dont have it easy or you should not play careless or do decissions with willi ego...
This game will have multiple choices and endings so ofc ocean (probably) takes a good ending for SG because it will be more Bdik like game ....
But with WIAB he can do more drama ,fuckery,intrigues.... and ofc there also will be options how antagonist can fuck miru ,daphne .....or whoever mc is dating up
Sure maybe in canon ending miru and mc will marry and have multiple children
But there will prob be other path were leia or other gang leaders will win..so I think the antagonist are not something you should take as a joke like the small little biker that willi hits... they will prob be more dangerious so mc and miru ( or person mc is dating not everybody will choose miru as love of willis life) dont have it easy or you should not play careless or do decissions with willi ego...
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Sure, I get that, but essentially there will be some form of a canon ending, precisely because it's the 'good' ending that Ocean envisaged. The ending where Willi goes monk and just brutalises the gang without any hanky panky won't make sense the second you load up SG. So I can either play the story I want as stand alone, or realise that the other endings exist becaus people want to play different ways.
I honestly don't know how Ocean would avoid making anything canon, because there are already significant choices that we know the outcomes to, and it is impossible to pretend we don't know that Emilio, Katie and Stefan survive. It's impossible for us not to know that a Zane got pregnant, as well as a Petrova, as well as Revera. We also know that Ocean won't risk any of the LI's in SG being related, so if Nika is Willi or Leia's, none of the other LI's can be. I don't think Ocean's going to risk that as a possibility now.
My thought is that the multiple paths will mean that there are different ways to get to the end, some kinkier than others, some riskier than others. But all the different endings will fit the facts of SG. Otherwise he wouldn't plan on importing saves from WiaB to flavour SG. Knowing that he mentioned they will flavour the script, the variables he's talking won't effect the facts of SG's core story.
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So basically, it's safe to say that Ocean is a huge Star Wars fan and he is pretty much remaking SW in his own AVN world?
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But this opens the door to a terrible question :So basically, it's safe to say that Ocean is a huge Star Wars fan and he is pretty much remaking SW in his own AVN world?
Which Trilogy?
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Frankly, this view of the game seems a little strange to me. As if the presence of canonical elements in the story is something bad. Here's another canonical element - the actions of SG will also take place in Wollust. And that means it won't be washed away by a flood, it won't be destroyed by a hurricane, it won't burn in a fire. I don't even know if I feel lack of freedom because of such a canonical handicap.
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The first (a new hope), because it's where it all began. And because of the buns ...mainly the buns. And Jabba.
Oh no, that's opposite to what I think. I'm fine with canon events. What I don't understand is how people can play a non-canon path, knowing that there are canon outcomes. It's like you've read the last chapter of the books, so there's fewer surprises. For me, I'm interested in how it gets from where it is now to where it's ready for SG to start. That's exciting to me. Sure there will be branching, but I just don't see how I could pretend to myself that, say, Willi's a monogamist, and he doesn't get anyone pregnant other than ...Miru. (I think you know where I'm going with thatFrankly, this view of the game seems a little strange to me. As if the presence of canonical elements in the story is something bad. Here's another canonical element - the actions of SG will also take place in Wollust. And that means it won't be washed away by a flood, it won't be destroyed by a hurricane, it won't burn in a fire. I don't even know if I feel lack of freedom because of such a canonical handicap.
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Aye...the original trilogy. Which opens an even more terrible question.....
Will he a pull complete Lucas and when he inevitibly makes the prequels to WIAB...will he change everything in WIAB....and ultimately...did Gigachad Will shoot his load first?