VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[yossa999]

Since you like that sort of thing, I'm guessing you want Leia as an LI correct? Aren't you concerned that she will no longer be one after the coming changes are introduced?

You worry too much about even the most insignificant things. Once we download the update, then we'll worry about what's changed.

 

[LHDLLB]

For your avn script that may be true and useful, for communication through logs, it is not.
As for the other thing, it is at least a strange situation. There was a time when it was common to make wall papers, and it was common that in WIAB the only thing we received was that, but in the current state of affairs it should be more thought than subject to "inspiration"... Not only for Pateon/SS, but because each of those treats can be sold on Steam. So while we've gotten used to things like ntr treats just disappearing and someday coming back just because, on Steam it needs more consistency.

I agree. But when he says that de does up to 50 renders a day and we don't know how much is for each game, is not a bug is a feature. I don't think it is necessary in bad faith, but is no coincidence either.

for the rest I don't really know, I get what you are saying in the business sense but he does not seems interested in maximize his gains. So while maybe do treats once a month and/or wallpapers, give some non canon scenes might be the most logical business decision, I really do get the feel that he is doing it for the art and will compromiss only as the last resort.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Im will go against the opinion here, i think Leia actually got better (not that she was bad before, she was already beautiful)....i think ppl are "hating" on her because of her nipples, and i honestly dont see any problem with them... they are just different, and i think thats a good thing, often devs make the same model with different faces and they are not unique, Wiab has a different collection of faces and body proportions and body characteristics.
And its not like this kind of nipples dont exist for real.
And her face got better imo....but of course, all of this is a matter of personal taste and opinion.

Oh the details got better, definitely. Ocean does better renders now. But Leia is cartoonishly big for someone who had anorexia 10 years ago. It's not about different body shapes or size, but if we're going to talk about variety, Ocean doesn't need them ALL big. Daphne's not a petite girl, Dana's definitely not (and Dana looks far better proportioned than Leia). Helen is the most cartoonish, because that kind of body size would have all kinds of sagging and stretchmarks from years of being that size. Dana looks close to believable, but Leia looks like she's been bimbofied, not just a larger body size. Helen and Leia also change from plausible on the first day to bimbo on the second. Leia didn't get plastic surgery overnight even if she can afford it.

 

[wizardcock]

Since you like that sort of thing, I'm guessing you want Leia as an LI correct? Aren't you concerned that she will no longer be one after the coming changes are introduced?

What changes are you talking about? I recall something, but it was so long ago...Leia won't be a LI? how is that possible? especially when there's no patreon page for wiab.

 

[BobTheDuck]

What changes are you talking about? I recall something, but it was so long ago...Leia won't be a LI? how is that possible? especially when there's no patreon page for wiab.

THere was a devlog where Ocean mentioned changed, maybe 3 months ago? But according to subs on SS he redacted the devlog. So we got to see something that's not even on SS site. Which could mean Ocean's changed his mind about what he needs to change and how the games make sense. At some point he has to deal with the issue that there are Zanes in both games and explain in some fashion what that means.

I'm given up trying to work it out, but I have my theories, based on what I can see Ocean doing on what he said there. But it might be he decided to kick the change further down the road, or scrap it.

The recent render of Leia with her landing strip exposed would be a massive tease if she wasn't a LI anymore.

For the rest, The best thing is to see what changes there are when CH4 arrives.

 

[sorco2003]

I agree. But when he says that de does up to 50 renders a day and we don't know how much is for each game, is not a bug is a feature. I don't think it is necessary in bad faith, but is no coincidence either.

for the rest I don't really know, I get what you are saying in the business sense but he does not seems interested in maximize his gains. So while maybe do treats once a month and/or wallpapers, give some non canon scenes might be the most logical business decision, I really do get the feel that he is doing it for the art and will compromiss only as the last resort.

I never insinuated that it is bad faith, is a communication error. And in the example you give of the renders, it is simply not to whitewash what is obvious, as it only leads you to do some math and know how much work there is in each of their games.

The vagueness in renderings when by simple mathematics you can calculate what SG has the triple of work, contrasts terribly with the clarity with which he tells you the arc of the taxes.

 

[sorco2003]

The recent render of Leia with her landing strip exposed would be a massive tease if she wasn't a LI anymore.

As if Ocean never shows sexy images of women who are not LI... (cof Noji cof)

 

[BobTheDuck]

As if Ocean never shows sexy images of women who are not LI... (cof Noji cof)

He did say "but nothing is ever set in stone" about her though

 

[Dr.TSoni]

My problem with the OG Leia is that she was too obsessed with William and very forgiven.

In the OG the blame was universally placed on Katie

Im will go against the opinion here, i think Leia actually got better (not that she was bad before, she was already beautiful)....i think ppl are "hating" on her because of her nipples, and i honestly dont see any problem with them... they are just different, and i think thats a good thing, often devs make the same model with different faces and they are not unique, Wiab has a different collection of faces and body proportions and body characteristics.
And its not like this kind of nipples dont exist for real.
And her face got better imo....but of course, all of this is a matter of personal taste and opinion.

Honestly Leia's areolas aren't that big of a deal it's more of a meme now XD
As far as I'm concerned it's a problem of absurd proportions for some characters, as with Mila there are some images where my brain screams at me "there is something profoundly wrong here".

 

[LHDLLB]

I never insinuated that it is bad faith, is a communication error. And in the example you give of the renders, it is simply not to whitewash what is obvious, as it only leads you to do some math and know how much work there is in each of their games.

The vagueness in renderings when by simple mathematics you can calculate what SG has the triple of work, contrasts terribly with the clarity with which he tells you the arc of the taxes.

Did not meant to imply that you was seeing bad faith, just clarify that I didn't.

But I agree, is strange how detail he gives on how much taxes he pays but the actual development is more imaterial. And at this point is hard to even pretend both games are worked on equally, but maybe saying it cleary like I do 15 WiaB render and 35 SG is not something he wants to do. I don't really know.

 

[LHDLLB]

He did say "but nothing is ever set in stone" about her though

Yeah, but what about Ayua ? The man likes to tease

 

[rudy007]

Yeah, but what about Ayua ? The man likes to tease

Ayua is another character that was more beautiful before rework, and yeah; is she another LI or what does "special case" means?There are few other with those unspecified stats (Nojiko comes to mind.)

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah, but what about Ayua ? The man likes to tease

From the LI list:

"Ocean has not decided yet. Romance with her was mentioned a long time ago but at the moment she is not a LI. She's a special case."

I guess we have to see what the future brings for LI in both games. Hopefully whatever changes Ocean plans he will do now before the amount of retrofitting increases.

 

[sorco2003]

From the LI list:

"Ocean has not decided yet. Romance with her was mentioned a long time ago but at the moment she is not a LI. She's a special case."

I guess we have to see what the future brings for LI in both games. Hopefully whatever changes Ocean plans he will do now before the amount of retrofitting increases.

Here is a memory from prehistory, the first time they said that Ayua is a special case.

Ayua is a very special case and.. time will tell why.
But I would've changed her model anyways. I didn't like it anymore and it didn't have the quality her new model has.

If Angry-Nami attacked me.. I would release ch2 with the old models.. Right now!



Thank you very much!

and this... for those who doubted where the priority is

Finally something visual.

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Dev update #2
Hello!

Remember when I said "Ocean won't change anything and will just render what I send him?"
Yeah, about that.. he refused to render the stuff I sent him.

As we looked over the renders I'd done before, we came to the conclusion that we need to re-do some of them. Quite a lot actually.
I'm still not really familiar with Daz and I'm still trying to find my style. So Ocean gave me some good advice and I've put it to use.
As you can see in this image here, it's grainy, it has no 'light games' and and and..

Spoiler: Before/Afters & previews

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[Adhdclassic]

Looking at those holiday pics. It looks like ocean reduced Helens portions. Ocean nah nah leave perfection alone.

 

[Miranha157]

Dude Miru was so retarded kkkkkk, I'm happy for the rework.

 

[Anony9876]

NTR Miru Christmas Day 3 4K
PIXELDRAIN

Can you post the picture on here, cause it's giving me an error like, the link it's not safe

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Can you post the picture on here, cause it's giving me an error like, the link it's not safe

 

[MIkedante]

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Does he put on Miru really QoS tattoos? Lol.

 

[Anony9876]

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Thanks you, appreciate it