VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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LHDLLB

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Obviously Nika and all the LI and some side girls live in a simulation, that's why wounds heal immediately and it's possible to increase muscle mass in 2 days


I want to play this Wiab a little bit XD
That would actually explains things a little bit better.

Not really. Fantasy AVNs have a waying of sucking ass that is another level. But there are two or three that are really good.


There is an ignore function...just saying. Or you can report posts and bring in the cleanup crew.


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Right... It's not like we don't already have the miracle scratch remover.
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prodigalsunz

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What I don't get is, why remove the whole family dynamic?
Why not just remove the actual incest?
Can't they all just be related without the fucking? Or are families also not allowed by the boogeymen Oceans afraid of?
 

LHDLLB

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What I don't get is, why remove the whole family dynamic?
Why not just remove the actual incest?
Can't they all just be related without the fucking? Or are families also not allowed by the boogeymen Oceans afraid of?
Because for to keep the family and remove the incest Ocean would have to change half of the LIs and likely more of the story.
 

yossa999

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Let's have a recap of what we learned and how the story progressed in Ch4:

We find out William has to meet with the Families to be judged for leaving the state
Katie shows William her clothing (we already learned and saw examples previously)
We partner with Zoey and start a business venture (which was discussed in previous chapters)
We learn that a rival gang is pushing boundaries on the Zane residence (we already knew this)
We get a tour of Leia's club and see the seedy lower floors (which we already knew about)
We see Gina being harassed by a biker (again, already established)

This chapter just felt like a whole lot of retreading. The only part that felt like progress was Dana and the apartment, all the rest we've seen/heard before in the torrent of exposition of previous chapters.
And we were introduced to Katie's famous volleyball team, who, as we learned from Jenna's angry speech, Lord Zane had fucked one by one! That scene alone was worth the wait! :giggle:
 

prodigalsunz

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Because for to keep the family and remove the incest Ocean would have to change half of the LIs and likely more of the story.
How so? There are 4-5 women in his family. And all he had to do was change the reason Will left because of Leah or keep it vague.
 

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And all of them are LIs or side girls.
What's funny is he dropped William/Leia being related to Helen/Dylan/Katie, but they were still twins raised by the Zanes. That would have freed up William to serve tubesteak to everyone but Leia.

If he butchered the relations to the Zanes because is worried about them getting intimate because they raised him, I fully expect him to gut SG and remove Nami as a LI because she could be viewed as an adopted sister.
 

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I thought you were immune to the ignore button? Your almighty snark wins over all.
Huh?!? I am though. There isn't a single active user on my ignore list. I'm not bothered by the "trolls" that trigger you guys so much.
 

Maccabbee

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Huh?!? I am though. There isn't a single active user on my ignore list. I'm not bothered by the "trolls" that trigger you guys so much.
I would happily drop my personal banhammer on a bunch of people, and have a few times already. I wouldn't want to do that with you and some others, like the good Dr. TSoni. I enjoy the conversations with you guys outside of this shitfest. It does get tired, though.

What I find ironic is that both of you have gone on tirades against other people who spout all this pointless negativity in other threads. I get it. You hate the change, and are in mourning for something you once loved. It hurts and it sucks. In this amplified shitstorm, it may seem that everyone agrees with you. Not everyone does. There's no point in raging about it now though. SOOOOO MANY posts, but it doesn't seem to be making anyone feel better.

I would suggest either getting over it, play it again with a new game perspective, or just move on. There are other top-tier games. Mods are gonna delete half this shit, anyway. That always just makes me feel worse.
 

byaaahh

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If you're talking about the current update, Will and Leia are not related.
Ocean posted that would be the relationship going forward over a year ago, only to delete it soon after. Now he's just cut everyone completely. Could have just proceeded with the twins angle and avoided anything sexual with Leia, now William left because he fell in love with a roommate.

As I said, if he's willing to alter it nearly 7 years into development here, I'm fully expecting Nika/Nami to get similar treatment.
 

alain8891

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Alright then, I'm all caught up.

Maybe its because I came from oldWiaB to the current newWiaB build, and never played the earlier ch1-3 builds of newWiaB...but I think its fine. Yeah, its got some weirdness in the script, but I think it works as a whole. I've basically got four points that make the script a little schizo.

1. Like I mentioned earlier, William's seeming ignorance towards his adopted family being involved with crime but also clearly being fully aware they're a mob family. Weird disconnect.

2. I really don't get what was so bad about Leia and William diddling each other, that William felt he had to run away because Katie threatened to make it public. Made sense when they were siblings, and incest bad. But they're from two different families, and two families who have been completely wiped out. And are hated. I imagine Ocean has some revelation in the works regarding that, but still... its really stupid right now.

3. Everyone treating William like he shat in Helen's mouth and raped her six times while beating her bloody with a spiked dildo is so fucking dumb. Yeah, he ran away. Big whoop. He was a kid, not a gangster, not a made man, not working for the family, or the heir to the Zanes. This is the one sticking point I really hate. Leia hating him, I understand. Her reaction to being abandoned was extreme, and that fosters a ton of negative emotion thats hard to shed. Fair enough. Katie, I get as well. The siblings bullied her, and she fucked with them. It was a love-hate relationship with a ton of hate. Maybe more will get revealed later, but as it stands, everyone else has no right to blame William for any of their hardships after he left. And the "but muh mafia rules" stuff is fucking retarded when he was just a kid.

4. Helen knew William was in prison, went to see him, and seemingly left him there without informing anyone. What the actual fuck, man. I get she was hurt he just ran away and it was only a month later, so the scar was still fresh and hurting. But christ. What a bitch. And the nerve to behave the way she's been doing after he came back now. Helen deserved the rock to the head.

1, I can give a pass with rework funkiness. Fine. William is just a retard. Par for the course with AVN MCs.
I can give 4 a bit of a pass, because going back to the person who brought you up even if they abused you and treated you like shit is not all that uncommon. Parental attachment is a hell of a drug and hard to kick, even when it goes against all common sense.
2 is more egregious because it really makes zero sense and its the literal lynchpin of why everyone treats William the way they do.
3 is the big stinker for me, because I feel like everyone's reaction to William leaving is way too harsh. They're all cunts.

Last two points:
First. That redhead agent at the end? COMPLETE FUCKING RETARD JESUS CHRIST HOLY SHIT LADY. You use your federal investigative powers into a chick, find out that you literally are unable to find any information on her other than a string of aliases and your reaction is "yeah, she's a nobody, not gonna be a problem". HOLY GOD IN HEAVEN. I hope you get a ninja blade in you calf just for being this stupid.

Second. Agent Rita is hot as fuck. :love: I'll totally make a second save to bang her if we get the option.

All in all... 7/10, would play again. Other than the four kinks mentioned above, I'm really digging the story. There's fat asses and tiddies everywhere. Miru solo path continues to be nice. I like William being a cheeky retard. Its fun.


P.S. Where the fuck is the actual "family" of the Zanes? Where are their thugs and mooks? Their hired hands and what not. Its just been Leia sending her crew to watch over them, and she is explicitly doing her own thing. Its like Ocean forgot mob families need underlings who do the actual dirty work and day-to-day mob work.
Kudos. One of the most rational posts about what’s so badly done in the current script…
 

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Guys! Please tell me I messed up in the previous dialogue choices that I bottled this sex scene! I CANNOT FATHOM THE DEV NOT CREATING A SEX SCENE HERE!!!! that too with FREAKING LEIA!!!
 
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yossa999

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[...] Could have just proceeded with the twins angle and avoided anything sexual with Leia, now William left because he fell in love with a roommate.
You forget about the unique dynamics! Leia has to be fucked.
As I said, if he's willing to alter it nearly 7 years into development here, I'm fully expecting Nika/Nami to get similar treatment.
When he started, the incest rules were more like guidelines. All the developers didn't give a damn about them.
In 2024, his patreon was wiped out, despite all the changes with roommates/old friends/landladies bullshit.
But yeah, 7 years sounds quite solid. Why didn't he see this coming from the start?
 
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yossa999

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Guys! Please tell me I messed up in the previous dialogue choices that I bottled this sex scene! I CANNOT FATHOM THE DEV NOT CREATING A SEX SCENE HERE!!!! that too with FREAKING LEIA!!!
Nah, my man. Witch was teasing us. Looking through the script right now. It's only Miru in the Chapter4Lewd.rpy
 
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byaaahh

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You forget about the unique dynamics! Leia has to be fucked.

When he started, the incest rules were more like guidelines. All the developers didn't give a damn about them.
In 2024, his patreon was wiped out, despite all the changes with roommates/old friends/landladies bullshit.
But yeah, 7 years sounds quite solid. Why didn't he see this coming from the start?
You mean, he released a game against the guidelines and was surprised Pikachu when the platform started enforcing said guidelines.

This is exactly the reason I can see him going back to SG and completely removing Nami as a LI. No matter how you slice it, two children raised under the same roof for 15 years, by a single Noji, will always be perceived as siblings, judges signature or not (Ocean thinks stating they aren't legally adopted is going to save him :KEK:)
 
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jadepaladin

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I don't know why it took me this long to connect the dots.

Imagine going with your sister's...wait that's not it...roommate's girlfriend to get a loan from your sister...wait...childhood friend to start a porn business that you're going to stick your girlfriend in.

Then you see your sister...crap...childhood friend and it's this energy:
here-i-am-rita-repulsa.gif
 

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I would happily drop my personal banhammer on a bunch of people, and have a few times already. I wouldn't want to do that with you and some others, like the good Dr. TSoni. I enjoy the conversations with you guys outside of this shitfest. It does get tired, though.
Doesn't really look like you do though. I'm sorry we feel differently about the update. And I know that it gets annoying reading the "negativity". You're not the only one to feel that way. It's ok to mute me or others for a few days, a week even and then unmute when the thread has settled down. But you have to understand that an update just dropped, this is when the thread is more alive and more fun to engage with. The next 12 months here is just gonna be us lunatics rehashing the same shit over and over. Isn't that more annoying?

What I find ironic is that both of you have gone on tirades against other people who spout all this pointless negativity in other threads. I get it. You hate the change, and are in mourning for something you once loved. It hurts and it sucks. In this amplified shitstorm, it may seem that everyone agrees with you. Not everyone does. There's no point in raging about it now though. SOOOOO MANY posts, but it doesn't seem to be making anyone feel better.
I have? What the hell? That doesn't sound like me but ok. Yes I hate the change. No, I've never loved or even liked WiAB. I've said it over and over that to me WiAB is annoying SG homework. I've only been playing it for the connection that it had to SG. Of course not everyone agrees. I've been reading posts by people who have liked this update and people who haven't. Where have you seen me rage?!?!!? I'm poking fun at the changes. And having a blast doing it. I really don't want to antagonize you or make you feel shitty but you're seriously asking me to stop having some fun or posting my opinion? What we do and say here doesn't affect Ocean. He doesn't give a shit. It doesn't mess with his bottom line.

I would suggest either getting over it, play it again with a new game perspective, or just move on. There are other top-tier games. Mods are gonna delete half this shit, anyway. That always just makes me feel worse.
I appreciate the suggestion but...why? I'm good! I'm having fun. And that's the mod's job. Let them do it.
Cheers:coffee:
 
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