VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Dr.TSoni]

I said this before but I think the criminal underworld plot is were WIABs biggest strenght lays

Most of the big or good looking VN have thing like drama like someone brings a teddybears to college , someone has religious parents..., someone called me mean and so on .... its not very serious but they cant really do more adult or serious stuff you have to make full female college or everyone gay or dysfuntional or every other male is a clown and thats the reason why all college VN have such lame partys

But with WIAB you now have so much options with crime plot and because you have optional ntr you can tell a more serious story ...

So you can have things like gangs ,actually other people that are in a relationship, more believable worldbuilding, drugs , real partys that are not lame as fuck , kinks , REAL antagonist , real drama

So I am really interested how the first VN looks like that has the same/better ( subjectiv depends who you ask ) visuals than all the big good looking ones but with an actually real adult story... because if ocran does it right this can be so fuckinggg good there is not a single VN that has this visual qualitie but goes in a more serious direction.

The crime component has always been there but "I believe" many (myself included) feel that emotionally the transition
from this

to this

is a loss.

 

[Maviarab]

All together, this creates a situation where the game critically lacks spatial depth needed for storytelling.

It isn't needed at all and it works perfectly fine. One, it is actually taught in film school and two, it's very much Oceans style. For the shits and giggles, it also makes rendering easier. Funny you've only just figured this out.

Finally...more importantly...Mafia Reasons.

 

[mommysboiii]

Man, I like that Ocean gives us some eye candy sometimes to make up for the few sex scenes but some of them feels so unnatural. Like this, Leia is in the middle of a discussion with her people about the firearms and she is just sitting there, with her pubes showing and her huge badonkadonks out in the open and yet everyone just keeps talking like nothing happened. It's great to have these fanservice scenes, but this one in particular just felt so out of place for me. It would be a different story if she was talking to William just the two of them, but it's her subordinates. View attachment 5023608

I dont know leia is freakiest of them all

And its definitly a power play aswell




So I think it fits leias cheracter

 

[LHDLLB]

The crime component has always been there but "I believe" many (myself included) feel that emotionally the transition
from this
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to this
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is a loss.

Worst because William was not forced to come back

 

[Maccabbee]

The crime component has always been there but "I believe" many (myself included) feel that emotionally the transition
from this
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to this
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is a loss.

It's still both, just a lamer reason for #1. As long as Miru, Katie, Kata, Donna, Mon, Gina, Daphne (I hope), and others are around, I will keep coming for more. I really like our Momoa-gigachad-goofball-gangster, and love his women.

edit: AND ZOEY! How can I forget that craycray smurfette!

 

[LHDLLB]

Well, he is smart, and tactical. He also has really bad impulse control.

I think he is smart enough to know how and when to play dumb. But I am looking forward to.his meeting with Asavera. I think William is the one will form the new Syndicate

 

[X2JZcf]

While I agree this is not exclusive to Ocean but all AVNs and is most likely a result of DAZ. If you start to think space mothing makes much sense.

Unreal Engine learning incoming.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

It's still both, just a lamer reason for #1.

But only towards Leia, (which being Leia makes it very easy to feel less guilty) now he no longer has any "moral" obligation towards others

As long as Miru, Katie, Kata, Donna, Mon, Gina, Daphne (I hope), and others are around, I will keep coming for more. I really like our Momoa-gigachad-goofball-gangster, and love his women.

edit: AND ZOEY! How can I forget that craycray smurfette!

... damn Ocean got us all stuck with pussy

 

[jadepaladin]

Daphne (I hope)

Someone's gotta cook Zoey and Will's books. Apparently Daphne is the perfect person for it.

 

[Turret]

I said this before but I think the criminal underworld plot is were WIABs biggest strenght lays

Most of the big or good looking VN have thing like drama like someone brings a teddybears to college , someone has religious parents..., someone called me mean and so on .... its not very serious but they cant really do more adult or serious stuff you have to make full female college or everyone gay or dysfuntional or every other male is a clown and thats the reason why all college VN have such lame partys

But with WIAB you now have so much options with crime plot and because you have optional ntr you can tell a more serious story ...

So you can have things like gangs ,actually other people that are in a relationship, more believable worldbuilding, drugs , real partys that are not lame as fuck , kinks , REAL antagonist , real drama,real intrigues,crazy ass partys

So I am really interested how the first VN looks like that has the same/better ( subjectiv depends who you ask ) visuals than all the big good looking ones but with an actually real adult story... because if ocran does it right this can be so fuckinggg good there is not a single VN that has this visual qualitie but goes in a more serious direction.

Considering that Ocean put in many stupid changes (e.g.mustache-twirling mafiosi) with a crowbar into WIAB 4, how high is the probability he will get these change and crime story right? Not very!
You could have this stuff even more naturally with the old backstory, which had the crime element on board and on the sidelines ready to come in without destroying the character designs.

 

[alain8891]

Unren and look in the chapter 4 folder, filename ag2620.jpg and up. There ya go

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Right I did, but these are part of the Chapter 4 release and didn't exist before, so of course they would support the "no relationship" canon now. You made it sound initially as if Ocean had altered some renders that were part of previous releases to get rid of that relationship, that's not the case. Anyone who has played Chapter 4 knows about these renders you posted...

 

[Ptroll]

No, it even says on Lewdpatcher for Chapter 3. Incest was changed in Chapter 4, the game was reworked/rewritten to remove incest completely from the game.

Who knows if and when a new patch will replace it or update it? It depends on if anyone is interested enough to mess with Ocean's bullshit.

If you want to know why he removed said content, SS has in their TOS content with incest isn't allowed, they've never banned anyone over it, but that is the reason. Now why he decided to do on Steam to when Steam doesn't care about incest, rape, and blackmail, no clue...I have no clue how much of the player base played this game for incest vs NTR aspect or "both".

Just like Summer's Gone, the developer adapts his games to sell them on Steam and other platforms in certain countries.
The money goes to his head, so he sacrifices his games.

 

[Maccabbee]

But only towards Leia, (which being Leia makes it very easy to feel less guilty) now he no longer has any "moral" obligation towards others


... damn Ocean got us all stuck with pussy

Duh. That's what we're all here for, right? Us highbrow mofos want to pretend it's all about the art and story, but bottom line, yeah.

 

[Maccabbee]

Someone's gotta cook Zoey and Will's books. Apparently Daphne is the perfect person for it.

That girl can cook my books anytime she wants, just don't tell Miru.

 

[Maviarab]

Someone's gotta cook Zoey and Will's books. Apparently Daphne is the perfect person for it.

Which is just fine by me. Unfortunately, I can see this happening in 2 or 3 updates...imagine the next update will be all being judged by Dread etc.

 

[mommysboiii]

While I understand what you say I have two problems:

1 the criminal plot is the only thing we have now and.
2 the strong point is still the personal relationships.

1Yeah but the crime plot just startet I would say if the crime plot has very stupid things and the same stuff as other VN like no adult stuff and cartel mafia are super harmless and bibis than the crime plot makes no sens and is wasted potential.

2.sure but with the more serious tone relationships could be deeper and make more sens on both sides ... winning against a REAL antagonist could deepen the bond with your love interest or go into a emotional other direction like rage because antagonist outplayed you espacilly if you have strong connection with love interest over the episodes

More options for real feelings like love , hate , jeliousy, surviving against the odds, cheating that is risky,outplay other partys,strong enemys .. there are more stakes in this VN ...

 

[Rozhok]

Right I did, but these are part of the Chapter 4 release and didn't exist before, so of course they would support the "no relationship" canon now. You made it sound initially as if Ocean had altered some renders that were part of previous releases to get rid of that relationship, that's not the case. Anyone who has played Chapter 4 knows about these renders you posted...

So clearly Ocean uses these images to affirm that the blood related incest is NOT intended, which is what I was pointing out. These new renders are making a patch non-usable.
It is just another reason why this game is going into the shithole.

 

[Maviarab]

It is just another reason why this game is going into the shithole.

Yet here you are Roz....still

 

[sorco2003]

1Yeah but the crime plot just startet I would say if the crime plot has very stupid things and the same stuff as other VN than the crime plot makes no sens and is wasted potential.

2.sure but with the more serious tone relationships could be deeper and make more sens on both sides ... winning against a REAL antagonist could deepen the bond with your love interest or go into a emotional other direction

More options for real feelings like love , hate , jeliousy, surviving against the odds ...

The tone didn't change that much... there's still situational comedy and absurd comedy.

 

[jadepaladin]

Which is just fine by me. Unfortunately, I can see this happening in 2 or 3 updates...imagine the next update will be all being judged by Dread etc.

Can't wait to meet Italian Karl Urban


Why the fuck can I upload that but not change my fucking profile pic...