VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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RNasc4444

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We know Nika is off the table. For the Miru example, given the time frame she'd be going through morning sickness and stuff related to the first trimester, unless...mafia.
Wait...how so? Remember that it's the first year of college for the SG crowd. Which makes them 17-19 (by legal reasons we know they are all 18+). The time frame between WiAB and SG is roughly 20 years. Which still gives Miru a whole year or more to be impregnated with Ayua. As for her possibly older "sisters" they could very well be "mafia sisters" for "mafia reasons" with no blood relation whatsoever.
 

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I still don't think he can implement choices from WiaB into SG until WiaB's finished, by which time everyone will have grown used to the canon presented in SG. At most there will be flavour text outlining choices we made in WiaB. But as far as NTR or not, it really depends on the choices. Willi not on Miru's path but with Katie? Ayua can't be Willi's then. If Ayua is always Miru's, then something else has to happen for Ayua to be born. Ayua is pregnant before the first scene of WiaB? Possible.

It's just no matter what the canon start of SG is, someone somewhere will be unhappy and say, "but I didn't chose that!"

If WiaB was finished, much easier to insert the choices/variables without any retcon.

Edit: Also, an SG player who never plays WiaB is completely unaware of what relationships are what. So why would they care? It's only WiaB players who play SG who would notice.
Yeah, theres many possibilities on it depending on choices, i dont even think its smart to touch this matter because it changes too much stuff, example:
Imagine if Miru is already pregnant...then would be crazy all the pornstar stuff, open relationship, NTR...everyone would be filling Miru while Ayua is there, she would be a chimera :LOL:
If shes not pregnant theres possibilities like,
Ayua and her sisters are someone's else offspring, but it was after MC and Miru broke up.
Ayua is William's, but he and Miru broke up and her sisters are from someone else.
Ayua is someone's else, MC ended up with Miru and knows it. (open relationship + MC cuck), her sisters are MC's daughters.
Ayua is someone's else, MC ended up with Miru and doesnt know it (NTR), her sisters are MC daughters.
Ayua and her sisters are William's.
And with the open relationship stuff even her sisters could be from different father or whatever.
If William ends up with Miru but is also with Katie or Leia, or both and this goes into SG's plot, players will want a harem ending in SG too.
Too many different stuff for the crybabies to complain.
But if its only for some dialogue flavor or minor stuff it can work imo.
 

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But why hide it? Everyone, including Katie, who doesn't seem to want to know anything about this mafia bullshit, knows the Zanes are part of the syndicate. So, why hide their operations?


It seemed to me that Emilio and Riri were worried because Leia is selling weapons without the families knowing and approving.
I simply stated what I though Ocean was doing to slowly reveal the Zane empire. I never claimed it made sense. The fact remains that the story so far (primarily from Willi's perspective) portrays the criminal enterprises as owned by Joey Arano (with Leia running them in his absence), while Dylan/Helen seem to be background participants. Then we get to an FBI board that portrays a Zane family criminal empire.

Re: the guns. Emilio/Riri are stated to have forced Leia's hand to get Willi back because they believed her bitterness over him was making her reckless (I presume they figured she needed to confront that bitterness). Emilio/Riri also see arms dealing as reckless because (they claim) the weapons are more easily traced back to them.

As to Leia's bold and reckless behavior - she's seemingly ambitious and I wonder if her motivations are partly revealed in the flashback of her with her uncle playing chess. Her uncle instructs: "There's a solution to every situation. If a situation is entrenched and unlikely to change on its own... You introduce chaos."
 

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Wait...how so? Remember that it's the first year of college for the SG crowd. Which makes them 17-19 (by legal reasons we know they are all 18+). The time frame between WiAB and SG is roughly 20 years. Which still gives Miru a whole year or more to be impregnated with Ayua. As for her possibly older "sisters" they could very well be "mafia sisters" for "mafia reasons" with no blood relation whatsoever.
Bob mentioned having Miru be pregnant before WiaB for people that reject Miru or send her down a NTR path in an effort to still have Ayua be Miru's.

I was pointing out that if she was pregnant before the story starts, she'd eventually show symptoms based on how much time has passed.
 

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Yeah, theres many possibilities on it depending on choices, i dont even think its smart to touch this matter because it changes too much stuff, example:
Imagine if Miru is already pregnant...then would be crazy all the pornstar stuff, open relationship, NTR...everyone would be filling Miru while Ayua is there, she would be a chimera :LOL:
If shes not pregnant theres possibilities like,
Ayua and her sisters are someone's else offspring, but it was after MC and Miru broke up.
Ayua is William's, but he and Miru broke up and her sisters are from someone else.
Ayua is someone's else, MC ended up with Miru and knows it. (open relationship + MC cuck), her sisters are MC's daughters.
Ayua is someone's else, MC ended up with Miru and doesnt know it (NTR), her sisters are MC daughters.
Ayua and her sisters are William's.
And with the open relationship stuff even her sisters could be from different father or whatever.
If William ends up with Miru but is also with Katie or Leia, or both and this goes into SG's plot, players will want a harem ending in SG too.
Too many different stuff for the crybabies to complain.
But if its only for some dialogue flavor or minor stuff it can work imo.
And we don't know if any of Ayua's sisters are older than her, or if the half sisters are from the same mother or the same father. The half sisters almost say to me that there is either some harem logic (one father with multiple partners) or what most players would consider some form of NTR logic (one mother with multiple fathers). Or of course, both.
 
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Wait...how so? Remember that it's the first year of college for the SG crowd. Which makes them 17-19 (by legal reasons we know they are all 18+). The time frame between WiAB and SG is roughly 20 years. Which still gives Miru a whole year or more to be impregnated with Ayua. As for her possibly older "sisters" they could very well be "mafia sisters" for "mafia reasons" with no blood relation whatsoever.
triplets, quadruplets? o_O
 

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Assuming you mean the game images then.

Grab yourself then in the game folder, drag Chapter1_image.rpa (etc etc) onto the rpaExtract application. Follow the instructions. Ch4 is packaged within the 'archive.rpa' file.
Thank you so much.
 

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Assuming you mean the game images then.

Grab yourself then in the game folder, drag Chapter1_image.rpa (etc etc) onto the rpaExtract application. Follow the instructions. Ch4 is packaged within the 'archive.rpa' file.
Is their a file that has the images of each of the actual characters?
 

John972

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Say mafia aloud 5 times in front of the screen while playing WiaB, I dare you :PogChamp:
And risk a random render of topless Helen popping up on screen? I think not, good sir. That could send me to an early grave.

Although it could replace topless Vic on the couch as the single worst render ever produced by Ocean
Oh, you absolute Bastards! One of you just had to say it, didn't you!

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I can offer some new fodder for your thought experiment; I have a route in which William has no sexual or other interactions with ANY girl in Wollust. As far as possible, I try not to set any variables to TRUE (doesn't always work) or I use answers that don't involve any actions, e.g., Miru doesn't receive a goodbye kiss at the train station!

By the way, NTR is on in this route!

The goal is to get rid of Miru because I'm waiting for someone else. Whether that someone shows up and is an LI, only Ocean knows. It will also be interesting to see how the story develops with this playstyle. So far, there are hardly any noticeable differences, except for a few "bonus scenes."

PS: I play the same way in SG. Sasha is my favorite there.
 

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I can offer some new fodder for your thought experiment; I have a route in which William has no sexual or other interactions with ANY girl in Wollust. As far as possible, I try not to set any variables to TRUE (doesn't always work) or I use answers that don't involve any actions, e.g., Miru doesn't receive a goodbye kiss at the train station!

By the way, NTR is on in this route!

The goal is to get rid of Miru because I'm waiting for someone else. Whether that someone shows up and is an LI, only Ocean knows. It will also be interesting to see how the story develops with this playstyle. So far, there are hardly any noticeable differences, except for a few "bonus scenes."
Yeah, I have a similar save for Miru, 'cause if I get it on with anyone else, I don't want to be stringing Miru along and want her to gradually feel the MC's loss of love (i.e. I don't want to break her heart and don't want to get a broken skull).

When you say "bonus scenes," do you mean some scenes or dialogues only available on a Monk route?
 
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Some people asked about a list of characters and their relationships.

I haven't produced one, but I did recreate the FBI board shown at the end of Chapter 4. I suspect Ocean may show other such boards in subsequent chapters, since it's a really good way to visually convey the complex underworld and family relationships.

Anyway...

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Yeah, I have a similar save for Miru, 'cause if I get it on with anyone else, I don't want to be stringing Miru along and want her to gradually feel the MC's loss of love (i.e. I don't want to break her heart and don't want to get a broken skull).

When you say "bonus scenes," do you mean some scenes or dialogues only available on a Monk route?
You're absolutely right. Looking at the "normal" Monk route, it feels like William is falling back into his old pattern from years ago, when he left or had to leave (let's just leave it at that), a selfish asshole paired with his dynamic twin, Lea.

Now, William seems more controlled and reserved at times.
 
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