VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Maccabbee]

Regardless of if they were out of convenience, Mon is an angel, so Ben's behaviour is suddenly way too jealous for a beta like he is portrayed as. It's just my opinion, but hedidn't even know William wronged her, only she bacame a police officer because some guy wronged her, and he doesn't know who it was. I'm sure he heard the rumours about Mon if he was also in Dana's circle. So he's put 2+2 together and his answer is - Monica wants to have the guy who wronged her dick her again?

Good riddance to him Mon, he's unworthy. Might as well get the Gigachad now It's just a bit too soon.

I personally think that under the (justifiable) rage and hurt, Mon is still carrying a torch, but can't admit it even to herself. Those feelings would be too tied up in the trauma.

 

[LHDLLB]

Well, Mon gave her virginity to Will at a party on a table. That says that she really was into him, she was really drunk, or both (unless she was just using him). Ben is the opposite of Will. He doesn't seem impulsive, is a beta, and she can totally control things in the relationship. Does she really love him? No idea. She still hasn't gotten over the rather extreme trauma of the party incident about a decade ago, so...

I largely agree but... One can relly get over something like that ?

Regardless of if they were out of convenience, Mon is an angel, so Ben's behaviour is suddenly way too jealous for a beta like he is portrayed as. It's just my opinion, but hedidn't even know William wronged her, only she bacame a police officer because some guy wronged her, and he doesn't know who it was. I'm sure he heard the rumours about Mon if he was also in Dana's circle. So he's put 2+2 together and his answer is - Monica wants to have the guy who wronged her dick her again?

Good riddance to him Mon, he's unworthy. Might as well get the Gigachad now It's just a bit too soon.

As I said, I don't disagree with you. We just don't know enough, Ben might have been cheated on before or he might have a history of jealosy, Mon might have something to do with it too. I am only saying that we don't know enough of their relantioship to judge it. They could be a happy couple and Ben behavior is odd or Ben has a real motive to feel that jealous of William.

 

[LHDLLB]

I personally think that under the (justifiable) rage and hurt, Mon is still carrying a torch, but can't admit it even to herself. Those feelings would be too tied up in the trauma.

I think she has very conflicted feelings over William. And to futher speculate, kinkies can be born out of traumatic experience. Maybe Mon has a degradation kinky that she is ashamed off ? Maybe it can even explain some of Ben's behavior. She likes to be crempied and called a cumdump and Ben is realising why and is not dealing well with it ?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Welp nevermind. After doing a bit of reading it's clear Steam is just saying they'll comply to any objection by payment processors so they couldn't care less about any distinctions. What we should find out soon is if WiAB remains compliant. I'd love to know what payment processors think about a guy fondling the tits of his adoptive mother.

There's plenty of other popular ones on this forum that will fall WELL before this. And the screams of anguish when those games get mafia remakes will be loud.

The other thing that will be telling is how fast the devs are going to have to push script updates to make things compliant. Or hope they fly under the radar.

I personally think that under the (justifiable) rage and hurt, Mon is still carrying a torch, but can't admit it even to herself. Those feelings would be too tied up in the trauma.

Oh sure. It's complex. But Ben sees Willi once, and has decided Mon's already cheating on him with Willi after seeing how upset Mon was? And she was asking Ben out to lunch? What a jerk.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

As I said, I don't disagree with you. We just don't know enough, Ben might have been cheated on before or he might have a history of jealosy, Mon might have something to do with it too. I am only saying that we don't know enough of their relantioship to judge it. They could be a happy couple and Ben behavior is odd or Ben has a real motive to feel that jealous of William.

Honestly, I don't find it strange; even with all the doubts about their relationship, Mon seems out of Ben's league. I'd say it's almost natural for him to be jealous at the appearance of someone who seems to have an influence over his girlfriend that's out of his league.

There's plenty of other popular ones on this forum that will fall WELL before this. And the screams of anguish when those games get mafia remakes will be loud.

Leaving the "forbidden relationship" seems more practical to me than devoting oneself to the mafia.

 

[Maccabbee]

Honestly, I don't find it strange; even with all the doubts about their relationship, Mon seems out of Ben's league. I'd say it's almost natural for him to be jealous at the appearance of someone who seems to have an influence over his girlfriend that's out of his league.


Leaving the "forbidden relationship" seems more practical to me than devoting oneself to the mafia.

Many games have those "forbidden relationships" as a core. They're not going to be the same games without it, and most can't pivot that completely. I am not a "cest" guy, but I like some games that use that trope extensively. Some of those games I think are hurt by using the trope, others it sort of blends in nicely, or are just great games whether its' cest or not.

Either way, I am not a fan of blocking people from getting what they want, if it doesn't harm anyone else.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

others it sort of blends in nicely

Having played several of them myself, I can confirm that there are few who actually use it as a narrative theme and not simply insert it.

Either way, I am not a fan of blocking people from getting what they want, if it doesn't harm anyone else.

Unfortunately, it seems that live and let live no longer applies.

 

[RNasc4444]

Leaving the "forbidden relationship" seems more practical to me than devoting oneself to the mafia.

Why couldn't it be aliens?!?!?! It's just as stupid but far more entertaining than mafia and allows for a much wider array of ideas to be put into the narrative.

Man this sucks. I love sci-fi! It should have been aliens!

Many games have those "forbidden relationships" as a core. They're not going to be the same games without it, and most can't pivot that completely. I am not a "cest" guy, but I like some games that use that trope extensively. Some of those games I think are hurt by using the trope, others it sort of blends in nicely, or are just great games whether its' cest or not.

You're leaving me confused here. How are we not seeing eye to eye on everything that has unfolded here so far?

I'm arguing both Ocean's games were created with incest at its very core and WiAB especially is so heavily reliant on it that it absolutely does not work without it.

I thought your stance was that incest was never core to either game and it works without it. Am I wrong?

Because I can give you the second, if it works for you it works for you. But trying to argue incest wasn't the absolute core idea in the creation of these 2 games is lunacy. And is factually false.

 

[Maviarab]

Wahh blahhh wahhhh grumle mumble butch whine moan...

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Why couldn't it be aliens?!?!?! It's just as stupid but far more entertaining than mafia and allows for a much wider array of ideas to be put into the narrative.

Man this sucks. I love sci-fi! It should have been aliens!

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I'm starting to suspect that Mav and I have the same thought process when it comes to posting in this thread.

 

[LHDLLB]

Why couldn't it be aliens?!?!?! It's just as stupid but far more entertaining than mafia and allows for a much wider array of ideas to be put into the narrative.

Man this sucks. I love sci-fi! It should have been aliens!

You're leaving me confused here. How are we not seeing eye to eye on everything that has unfolded here so far?

I'm arguing both Ocean's games were created with incest at its very core and WiAB especially is so heavily reliant on it that it absolutely does not work without it.

I thought your stance was that incest was never core to either game and it works without it. Am I wrong?

Because I can give you the second, if it works for you it works for you. But trying to argue incest wasn't the absolute core idea in the creation of these 2 games is lunacy. And is factually false.

I actually think SG can work well with out incest, just make ir a strangeness of Noji because she raised the two of them and a resistence of Nika out of it. The problem is the The Race of Impossible Odds point and the talk outside Vic's house but at the time ocean was still wikining at us. Curious if he will change some dialogues befote S2 drops

 

[Maviarab]

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Katie distraction methods are always usually successful.

 

[hoshin0119]

It seems like the MC has a bad relationship with Katie and Leia because he left the family in the past. Has the reason for that ever been revealed? English isn’t my first language, so I sometimes have a hard time understanding everything while playing the game.

 

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[RNasc4444]

Ohh no no that's Edgar. He's in another game.

I can't unsee the similarities

 

[Maccabbee]

Why couldn't it be aliens?!?!?! It's just as stupid but far more entertaining than mafia and allows for a much wider array of ideas to be put into the narrative.

Man this sucks. I love sci-fi! It should have been aliens!

You're leaving me confused here. How are we not seeing eye to eye on everything that has unfolded here so far?

I'm arguing both Ocean's games were created with incest at its very core and WiAB especially is so heavily reliant on it that it absolutely does not work without it.

I thought your stance was that incest was never core to either game and it works without it. Am I wrong?

Because I can give you the second, if it works for you it works for you. But trying to argue incest wasn't the absolute core idea in the creation of these 2 games is lunacy. And is factually false.

I used to think that as well, and was dubious about the rework. The rework was fine for me, and I am not missing the cest. The justification for the relationship in the game is believable enough for me as it is now.

My point is more "it was great how it was, but that doesn't exist anymore, and this new thing is fine for me on it's own merits."

I raised a daughter for the past 12 years, so I guess I got the message to "let it go."

edit: I feel like I need to add this: 'cest is not what brought me to the game, the stuff around it is: the characters, feelings, relationships, even the art. I don't miss the 'cest.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

It seems like the MC has a bad relationship with Katie and Leia because he left the family in the past. Has the reason for that ever been revealed? English isn’t my first language, so I sometimes have a hard time understanding everything while playing the game.

Katie is angry because William and Leia tortured her when they were little. Leia is angry because William left her behind without saying anything when he left.
As for the reason William left now, it's because he broke some mafia rules that forbade him from having a relationship with Leia.

Ohh no no that's Edgar. He's in another game.

I can't unsee the similarities

Poor Alexander mistreated in other topics too XD

 

[RNasc4444]

I raised a daughter for the past 12 years, so I guess I got the message to "let it go."

Weird thing to include. Feel like this should be directed at Ocean for the games he created but hey congrats on raising a daughter!

 

[Maccabbee]

Weird thing to include. Feel like this should be directed at Ocean for the games he created but hey congrats on raising a daughter!

I'd feel kinda weird about a Frozen reference without that context, most especially here.

 

[RNasc4444]

I actually think SG can work well with out incest, just make ir a strangeness of Noji because she raised the two of them and a resistence of Nika out of it. The problem is the The Race of Impossible Odds point and the talk outside Vic's house but at the time ocean was still wikining at us. Curious if he will change some dialogues befote S2 drops

Agreed! I feel like SG doesn't rely on it nearly as much. As long as you can find a plausible explanation for the MC and Nami ending up on Nojiko's care, that is. But it does require those script reworks.