VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Turret]

It would seem that the ocean was right, but the game still turned into crap
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Well that problem exists because Ocean wants to keep his cake and still eat it!
He obviously wants to retain Kati, Leia, Helen as LIs, but that is only possible in a logical fashion if incest is also retained.
The rewrite he did is horrible trash and anybody with even a single functioning braincell can see this.
If he wants to retain a logical and fitting backstory he has to swallow the (for him) bitter pill and sacrifice the female Zane family members as LIs.
And it is not that we loose so much. We still have an array of nice LIs: Miru, Zoey, Dana, Monika, Gina, Daphne and these are only the most important ones.

 

[Crashbullet]

Helen as LIs, but that is only possible in a logical fashion if incest is also retained.

As I wrote earlier, the incest theme doesn't bother me at all, it just took the logic out of the game, in order to return this logic to the new plot, in my opinion, it was necessary to make Willie the biological son and not Katie, Katie and Leah adopted from the "noble families" left alive, for marriage unions with other families. Willie got into any of their pants, and disrupted the plans of large families, ran away, returned and immediately went to court. The Zane family was humiliated in the mafia hierarchy, the family falls apart as in the plot before the remake. That's where you can build a bridge between Zane and Grimaldi-Pepperoni.

 

[Ara-sH]

So Leia and helen how is relate to MC now the incest is removed?

 

[byaaahh]

As I wrote earlier, the incest theme doesn't bother me at all, it just took the logic out of the game, in order to return this logic to the new plot, in my opinion, it was necessary to make Willie the biological son and not Katie, Katie and Leah adopted from the "noble families" left alive, for marriage unions with other families. Willie got into any of their pants, and disrupted the plans of large families, ran away, returned and immediately went to court. The Zane family was humiliated in the mafia hierarchy, the family falls apart as in the plot before the remake. That's where you can build a bridge between Zane and Grimaldi-Pepperoni.

They'd still be step-family, which is also in the crosshairs. You'll never convince me that a child, raised by a parental figure from an infant to an adult, would not be considered part of a family. Which is why I believe SG is also going to be changed... again.

The only way to make it work is if they are taken in much later than infants, or have William raised by someone other than the Zanes.

 

[Turret]

As I wrote earlier, the incest theme doesn't bother me at all, it just took the logic out of the game, in order to return this logic to the new plot, in my opinion, it was necessary to make Willie the biological son and not Katie, Katie and Leah adopted from the "noble families" left alive, for marriage unions with other families. Willie got into any of their pants, and disrupted the plans of large families, ran away, returned and immediately went to court. The Zane family was humiliated in the mafia hierarchy, the family falls apart as in the plot before the remake. That's where you can build a bridge between Zane and Grimaldi-Pepperoni.

While a definite idea, I admit that I do not even want a bridge built between old backstory and new wannabe backstory!
The Mafia trash of the new update has to be taken out to the box like with all rubbish!

 

[Maccabbee]

Still kind of surprised regulators are pushing this though.

It wasn't long ago that they legalized cocaine and meth use in broad daylight.

Don't be stupid. "Payment Processors" are not the government, nor is it "regulation." This is third party companies, and is the same reason Patreon changed their rules.

 

[Simon248]

Don't be stupid. "Payment Processors" are not the government, nor is it "regulation." This is third party companies, and is the same reason Patreon changed their rules.

They might as well be the government, if they can fuck with your funds there's not much difference.

 

[Crashbullet]

So Leia and helen how is relate to MC now the incest is removed?

They are connected only by this dialogue with Miru.
Miru: "I always thought Helen and Dylan were your real parents."
William: "Nah. I'm lost on the details, but there was a war between multiple families, and long story short, my parents and Leia's shared a fate and were murdered in their own home the same night. Leia and I were spared because they only got the green light to take out the adults." We were... 'recruited' because they thought they couldn't have children... Until Katie happened. But it was a tactical move. I don't know the details."

While a definite idea, I admit that I do not even want a bridge built between old backstory and new wannabe backstory!
The Mafia trash of the new update has to be taken out to the box like with all rubbish!

With this I simply justify my future stage of "acceptance" and since we dove into this shit with the mafia, it would make the plot less leaky and a little logical, if for example it was presented in such a way that they did not know until some time that they were adopted or they were revealed that they were adopted and their fate was indicated in an arranged marriage. Thousands of logical variations of the plot, but we have what we have, the ocean is not a writer, the ocean is a graphomaniac.

 

[byaaahh]

They are connected only by this dialogue with Miru.
Miru: "I always thought Helen and Dylan were your real parents."
William: "Nah. I'm lost on the details, but there was a war between multiple families, and long story short, my parents and Leia's shared a fate and were murdered in their own home the same night. Leia and I were spared because they only got the green light to take out the adults." We were... 'recruited' because they thought they couldn't have children... Until Katie happened. But it was a tactical move. I don't know the details."

"Alas, Donna Helen has been wounded so I now must return from whence I came. She murdered my family, but my heart doth beat for her like no other."

Nonsensical...

 

[BigDilly48]

Nah, Steam has worse AAA games than an incest game....

You can already see the Steam reviews and are not happy about the change.

Steam has non-adult games that wouldn't be allowed on Patreon, just scared of losing funding again when incest games have been thriving on Steam.

If the day ever comes as he says, they will be banning 50% of the games on Steam's platform, fat chance of that happening.

damn...only two weeks later and this aged badly. Thoughts on the new Steam guidelines and incest games on it moving forward? Was Ocean right all along? This does feel like a watershed moment, and not for the better.

 

[Maccabbee]

They might as well be the government, if they can fuck with your funds there's not much difference.

How are they "fucking with your funds?" They can't touch people's money, except for taking their cut for providing their service. They are private (well, publicly owned) companies that have the right to do business with whom they want, as long as it's legal. They don't want to do business with companies that put them at risk.

 

[Simon248]

Was Ocean right all along?

It seems so, but I think this is more than just payment processors targeting indie dev's for producing questionable content.

I wonder if Big game studios and Big porn are working together on this.

 

[Maccabbee]

Yup, someone earned their spot on the list. Let me know when someone grows up and "gits gud".

 

[Simon248]

Yup, someone earned their spot on the list. Let me know when someone grows up and "gits gud".

I mean these games are on Steam now, so it's not like they're being coded, and written for in Nana's basement anymore.

It's an emerging market and maybe the big players are starting to consider investing now.

 

[byaaahh]

All the people proclaiming Ocean is right, How do you believe it will play out when they find out William/Nika/Nami were all taken in as young children, raised by similar parental figures to legal age, where they proceed to fuck said people who raised/were raised with them?

As I have been saying, Ocean dumped the blood relation, but his changes merely shifted it to stepfamily, which is also a ToS breach.

 

[Crashbullet]

The Last Stronghold

 

[lorddarkam]

We are at the precipice of the rise of Landlady's and female best friends.

Maybe this will make Dev's focus on Netori content instead.

This would be the golden era, the same setup, just you are a tenant for once wowwwwwwwwwwwww this is revolutionary for these devs

Still kind of surprised regulators are pushing this though.

It wasn't long ago that they legalized cocaine and meth use in broad daylight.

Hey, they want us to pay for onlyfans

 

[John972]

THE LAST LINE YOU QUOTED CONTRADICTS YOUR STATEMENT!!!! READ BETTER.

"FBI Agent [about Leia]: "She owns a nightclub, an apartment building, and multiple smaller ventures together with Helen and Dylan Zane, as well as Joey and Scarlet Arano.""

This indicates that Leia is not the SOLE owner of anything. The elders are also owners, including in the club.

You may be right, you may be wrong. That is an interpretation of the English language used, so don't get so smug. I concede your interpretation is more likely correct, but then we are talking about Ocean's use of the Genglish language.

Interpretation 1:

Leia owns a nightclub and an apartment. Leia also jointly owns other small ventures with the Zanes and Aranos.

Interpretation 2:

Leia jointly owns a nightclub, an apartment, and other small ventures with the Zanes and Aranos.

Since you want to mock people, kindly explain this statement you made, champ:

Scarlett the Doctor married her brother-in-law's (friend? cousin? partner?), Joe Arano, a Motorcycle Club boss, owner of a nightclub, criminal drug dealer, etc.

Where is there any indication Joe and Dylan knew each other before Scarlett and Joe married? Let's test your reading comprehension...

 

[lorddarkam]

Still kind of surprised regulators are pushing this though.

It wasn't long ago that they legalized cocaine and meth use in broad daylight.

Well that problem exists because Ocean wants to keep his cake and still eat it!
He obviously wants to retain Kati, Leia, Helen as LIs, but that is only possible in a logical fashion if incest is also retained.
The rewrite he did is horrible trash and anybody with even a single functioning braincell can see this.
If he wants to retain a logical and fitting backstory he has to swallow the (for him) bitter pill and sacrifice the female Zane family members as LIs.
And it is not that we loose so much. We still have an array of nice LIs: Miru, Zoey, Dana, Monika, Gina, Daphne and these are only the most important ones.

Maybe we will be able to see more trans content here

 

[John972]

This dialogue is why I laugh maniacally every time someone justifies William's return to Vollust with his love for the Zane family or Helen.

LOL. William retorts one time that he only returned because he still felt guilty about what he did to Monica.